The Canooter Valve: $260 suppression!

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Yeah I don’t believe it and won’t waste the $ on it
 
Can you disassemble it? Might be ok for a dedicated .22 AR if you can clean it up.

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It looks like the cap is removable. I definitely don’t believe all of their claims... great TGC vid too! But if it really goes hearing safe at 8oz on 5.56 it’d be worth it... if it’s somewhere near what they say it is then it could really challenge the market to compete at lower cost.... $1000 standard pricing for a glorified muffler is a hard pill to swallow for most people and as far as I can tell, the price is more for brand and novelty’s sake, not always quality (aside from materials like steel vs. aluminum vs. titanium). I really hope it succeeds and does well to prod the market toward more accessible suppressors
 
Of course, when the tax stamp is 3/4 the price of the can... But I digress.

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Of course, when the tax stamp is 3/4 the price of the can... But I digress.

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True... but their point is to have it be sub- $500 with the stamp. Assuming it does everything they claim it does though it’s still good value. The unconstitutional “NFA” sucks nuts no matter what the can costs
 
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Well folks, I took the dive! Not on the Canooter, but their newer “wide body” Tu Tu Three. It supposedly does all the same black magic but with even better suppression, a more traditional look and a price tag of $300 instead of $260. I will put it to the test and report back. This may take a long while because we just did paperwork and it only just went to NFA jail while we wait for a stamp. I was well and thoroughly judged by the tactical elitists behind the counter at the shop, who believe a suppressor must cost over $1,000 to be good. I hope to put them to shame, considering that is the stated purpose of creating these suppressors, according to Witt Machine. I’m ready to be let down but hopeful. Guys at the store said it’s not a real suppressor and won’t be hearing safe. They also agreed that the supersonic crack of a .223 bullet is not technically hearing safe, so by their own standards none of their $1,000+ cans are real suppressors either. We shall see!
 
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Any word or updates yet, good sir?
Yeah, he’s a dealer...should’ve had it back a couple weeks after he posted that, assuming Witt had them available at the time.
 
I’ve made it through the first 13 minutes or so of this...and the Witt guy definitely doesn’t lack any confidence.



Lots of bold claims. At least one completely false statement (right after the new guy comes in around the time I paused). He mentions swapping the 45 can into 9 hosts, and the Witt guy says yes...which ain’t happening on a direct thread can.
 
I’ve made it through the first 13 minutes or so of this...and the Witt guy definitely doesn’t lack any confidence.



Lots of bold claims. At least one completely false statement (right after the new guy comes in around the time I paused). He mentions swapping the 45 can into 9 hosts, and the Witt guy says yes...which ain’t happening on a direct thread can.


Yeah in all of the stuff I’ve found on them they talk about using them across calibers as if threading is no issue. You’d have to order a nine barrel with whatever pitch .45,s run. Not to mention a barrel thick enough! They did the same things with the .30 cal can talking about using it on your .300 BLK and your 5.56. But all the .300 BLK barrels I’ve encountered are threaded so you can use muzzle devices made for .308s, not 1/2x28
 
Yeah in all of the stuff I’ve found on them they talk about using them across calibers as if threading is no issue. You’d have to order a nine barrel with whatever pitch .45,s run. Not to mention a barrel thick enough! They did the same things with the .30 cal can talking about using it on your .300 BLK and your 5.56. But all the .300 BLK barrels I’ve encountered are threaded so you can use muzzle devices made for .308s, not 1/2x28
I couldn’t finish the video. The grey-bearded dude was as annoying as anybody I’ve run across.

I would like to hear first person experiences on the 9 & 45 options. Could be a much more economical option to Omega 9K & 45K type cans.
 
Well folks, I took the dive! Not on the Canooter, but their newer “wide body” Tu Tu Three. It supposedly does all the same black magic but with even better suppression, a more traditional look and a price tag of $300 instead of $260. I will put it to the test and report back. This may take a long while because we just did paperwork and it only just went to NFA jail while we wait for a stamp. I was well and thoroughly judged by the tactical elitists behind the counter at the shop, who believe a suppressor must cost over $1,000 to be good. I hope to put them to shame, considering that is the stated purpose of creating these suppressors, according to Witt Machine. I’m ready to be let down but hopeful. Guys at the store said it’s not a real suppressor and won’t be hearing safe. They also agreed that the supersonic crack of a .223 bullet is not technically hearing safe, so by their own standards none of their $1,000+ cans are real suppressors either. We shall see!
Many competitive .30 cal cans these days can be had for well under $1k.

The YHM Resonator would have cost you a whopping $60 more and you would have been buying from a proven, reputable company that will be around for many years to come should you encounter a baffle strike etc. in the future.
 
Now we getting somewhere......thanks...…..a year huh?
Well, we did get one in. Customer wanted to purchase it right off the bat. Got the transfer back recently. New owner let us try it out.
Definitely not hearing safe. I think it may have some LE/SWAT applications due to its small size and cost.
rdinatal, Batteryoaksbilly & bigwaylon, as for your puerile comments...f**k all three of you
 
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rdinatal, Batteryoaksbilly & bigwaylon, as for your puerile comments...f**k all three of you
Exactly which one of my comments are you referring to? I’ve read them all again and have no idea.
 
......i honestly thought this product was a joke...... But then it got some attention and they tried to turn a joke into a profit....
 
5, 6, 7 & 8 above
Ok. None of those are mine.

If that was supposed to be 15, 16, 17 & 18...my comment was nothing more than a clarification to those that mentioned a year. As a dealer, you only had to wait for the F3, not the F4.
 
Well, we did get one in. Customer wanted to purchase it right off the bat. Got the transfer back recently. New owner let us try it out.
Definitely not hearing safe. I think it may have some LE/SWAT applications due to its small size and cost.
rdinatal, Batteryoaksbilly & bigwaylon, as for your puerile comments...f**k all three of you

That’s beyond out of line. Not only did you misinterpret what they said as negative, you went to personal attacks.
 
Well, we did get one in. Customer wanted to purchase it right off the bat. Got the transfer back recently. New owner let us try it out.
Definitely not hearing safe. I think it may have some LE/SWAT applications due to its small size and cost.

Thanks for the results of testing and opinion on it.

rdinatal, Batteryoaksbilly & bigwaylon, as for your puerile comments...f**k all three of you

Not called for. You're a business owner?
 
Well this escalated quickly! I thought he was joking with friends he knew well enough to be able to tell them to eff off.

@BigWaylon yeah the grey guy is very annoying. He seems altogether too excited for it to be genuine. Hopefully my experience with the TuTu Three will shed light on all of their other suppressors for you. That report is still a while in the making. This brings me to my first thought. I asked why no prominent YouTuber has taken up their cause and reviewed their cans. I was told that they all required payment for an appearance on their channels. This threw up red flags, considering the channels I follow pride themselves on refusing industry money in order to remain objective in their reviews, ie Mac and Nutn for example. I trust them more than a rep from Witt at this point and do not believe that to be the full story.

@patina There is certainly risk involved taking a chance on a new company, new to compact suppressors at least. Would YHM have ever become relevant in the industry if everyone carried the same attitude toward them as you do to Witt? They are reputed for their gawdy muzzle devices already and appear to have been competently manufacturing integrally suppressed guns for some time, so I see no reason to doubt their new compact line of suppressors for no other reason than they’re new. My point was not to say that there is nobody else making affordable suppressors, but that tactical elitists have no respect for anyone that does (simply because they’re inexpensive and not [x currently tacticool company for 1337 opr8rs] without regard to practicality) and that these guys are interesting, because they specifically claim to want to give the finger to that mentality and the companies who play on it for profit with the price intended to be $500 or less with the stamp. I have made the purchase now, and am refusing to be myopic to qualify my purchase. I intend to defend based on what I know so far without shooting it yet and criticize where things smell fishy.

@BowWow the name seems like a joke but the company is not new to the suppressor game altogether. In one obscure YouTube video, the rep elaborates and refers to Canooter as another colloquial meaning: a bunghole, into which elitist puffery may be directly stuffed! I’m into the idea but as stated above, remain dubious. If it’s all bad, may my loss be your gain. If it’s great or at least operates to a level expected of any compact suppressor, I’ll be satisfied with the money invested. This brings me to my response to everyone else and general thoughts.

@Ikarus1 @rdinatal @everyoneelse,etal
Pfcustom’s report was essentially meaningless. You can’t say it’s a bad product or a good one based on what he said because you could apply the exact same logic to ANY 5.56 suppressor. How should we define “hearing safe”, going forward? Pf said nothing but that it’s not, while Witt claims it is on the edge, at the shooter’s ear only and not to observers, at a measured 128-136dB, depending on product used and atmospheric conditions. We are dealing with noise here... technically speaking, the crack of a bullet of any size or weight traveling at supersonic speed is not considered “hearing safe”. This is not something a suppressor of any shape, size, price or level of tacticool can presently overcome. By this measure, as presented before when I spoke of the elitists helping me fill out a form 4, there is no such thing as a “real” 5.56 can. It can’t exist. The logic preceding this conclusion is of course that the practical purpose and function of the high speed, small bullet cartridge renders subsonic loads nothing more than novelty, compared to cartridges like .300 Blackout. This could turn into a truly interesting conversation about suppressors in general. What is hearing safe? If you’re a hippie who wears earplugs to your unplugged folk concerts, you probably won’t agree with what I think it is. Most hearing damage occurs when there is continuous loud noise such as exists at airports and construction sites and depends somewhat on the pitch of the noise. Short trips to the range might be excluded (assuming of course that nobody is testing out that great new muzzle brake).
I agree it may be a lofty claim to say it is hearing safe, considering there are lots of stipulations (shooter only, etc.) but nothing was mentioned in Pf’s report as to any of the other claims or how it might compare to any other compact suppressor, Gucci or not. How does it sound pitch-wise? Does it approach the 136dB ceiling claimed? Did it blow gas back through the charging handle contrary to their claims? The video I linked to shows him with the suppressor firing full-auto and having no effect of gas in his eyes. I’ve also seen guys do mag dumps and show that the magazine follower is still clean, insinuating or demonstrating a diminished lack of gas through the action. That would be a BIG deal if true. Why no mention? I get the idea that regardless of how good or bad the product is, Pf and any retailer for that matter, would rather just sell me the more expensive cans they have in stock (obviously). I was originally under the impression that they were getting one in for T&E and possibly stocking them for sale, not as a one-off transfer for a customer.
Finally, let’s assume that the loftier of the claims are exaggerated but it still operates to the level that could be expected of any other compact suppressor... will I have lost anything, really, considering the high value? I will be happy if it reduces the report of the rifle significantly enough to provide the ultimate practical, tactical and strategic advantage of any 5.56 can: shooter location concealment and a higher level of comfort for self and squad members in combat conditions. The lofty claims can be a bonus. Now if it fails the basic purpose of a suppressor I will never stop dragging them through the mud but that is the chance I’m taking with a new product. Here’s to hoping I will have nothing but good things to report back. As I told the elitist at the gun store: I’m hoping for the best but ready to be let down in one way or another.
 
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I meant no harm......this thread fizzled out a while back (when i thought it was a prank).....and since its resurfacing.....I realized it was a real product.
 
@Ikarus1 @rdinatal @everyoneelse,etal
Pfcustom’s report was essentially meaningless. You can’t say it’s a bad product or a good one based on what he said because you could apply the exact same logic to ANY 5.56 suppressor.

I was trying to be nice (and not escalate, one can only go nuclear). You're right, the 'report' was lacking.
 
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@BowWow @rdinatal I was not intending to come directly at you guys... what I meant was I was surprised at Pf to find that he wasn’t joking when he said “f**k all three of you”. At least it doesn’t seem like it.
As I was writing my short novel there I realized this could turn into a fun conversation about what and why a suppressor is... unless all my supposed pontifications are just common knowledge now xD I’m not always known for being ahead of the curve.
 
Also, I was sent a video directly supposedly showing their .30 cal can (Dirty 30) against a .30 Sandman K, both mounted on identical issue rifles. Assuming one of them actually is a Witt suppressor, I am impressed. I’ll upload it here if I can figure out how (it’s just a video file, not a link). By the voice heard, it’s the same guy as appears in all the other available videos.

Another peculiar thing: I got to finger my suppressor as we filled out paperwork. It comes with a crush washer, which I discovered is intended to be used after asking the manufacturer. Their approach is that this is essentially a glorified muzzle device and will secure the suppressor and seal the threads, as has been the case for any muzzle device since the platform began (this coming from their initial successes in manufacturing aftermarket brakes). It is meant to be semi-permanent like a muzzle device. Cleaning is meant to be accomplished with the suppressor still mounted. I also asked if it was safe, considering crush washers are not intended to crush evenly or symmetrically. He said it will not make enough of a difference to cause a baffle or cap strike because the suppressors are short enough that it can’t cause a strike.
 
@New Atlantis Lost you are drinking the kool-aid buddy... 128-136dB on 5.56... hell even just 136dB on 5.56 would make it one of the best 5.56 suppressors on the market purely based on suppression. A market where many consumers are OBSESSED with meter numbers... yet somehow we've never heard of them? If these numbers were accurate at the price point everyone would know Witt because they would turn the suppressor market on its head overnight.
 
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@New Atlantis Lost you are drinking the kool-aid buddy... 128-136dB on 5.56... hell even just 136dB on 5.56 would make it one of the best 5.56 suppressors on the market purely based on suppression. A market where many consumers are OBSESSED with meter numbers... yet somehow we've never heard of them? If these numbers were accurate at the price point everyone would know Witt because they would turn the suppressor market on its head overnight.

No different than your preferred poison, apparently...
Compact YHM sound rating claimed: 138dB, “well within hearing safe threshold of 140”
https://yhm.net/turbor-k-5-56-stainless-with-1-2-28-q-d-flash-hider.html
 
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