NC Court rules against Sheriff in CCP case

Just read this. Sounds gray as hell to me, aside from the fact they forgot to tell him why they denied it.

PTSD
substance abuse
possible suicidal tendencies

Should he be allowed a firearm? the libertarian in me says “yes”.

Should he be allowed one under the current law?

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I was going to say I wish people would stop including the word veteran in stuff like this to try and tug a patriotic string. However his veteran status is Germaine to the issue since they used VA documents against him.
 
Just read this. Sounds gray as hell to me, aside from the fact they forgot to tell him why they denied it.

PTSD
substance abuse
possible suicidal tendencies

Should he be allowed a firearm? the libertarian in me says “yes”.

Should he be allowed one under the current law?

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Under the current law for concealed carry permit....yes. If he was simply applying for a pistol purchase permit the sherrifs have a lot more arbitrary decision making ability.
 
I find it interesting that “possible alcohol addiction” can be equated to drug abuse. Alcohol is a legal drug and so long as your alcoholism doesn’t lead to you committing any crimes or DUI’s, I question whether that should be a disqualification.

On one hand, there’s no crime, give the man his permit.
On the other hand, one can assume an alcoholic will often be under the influence and therefore unable to safely handle a firearm and/or make sound decision as to when/how to use it. But I also fear how loosely a Dr could use the label “alcoholic”.
 
Again we see where if you seek assistance from the VA or hospital you are being denied your rights based on it maybe "possible". At what level of PTSD is deniable? As there are many levels. PTSD just means you had a traumatic experience. How you handle it is the issue is what defines you. I've been rocketed for decades, some times on a daily bases (over 100 times this year alone). Known lots of guys that were KIA. Seen lots of ugly things. Weighs on me, yes but not suicidal, depressed or have a substance use to suppress it.


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I want to puke on the Meck County sheriff office. Every veteran of a conflict has seen more than the average Joe. Are we to deny them a chance to seek profession counseling by having a possible gun ownership or CHP denied? Is it more advantageous to his family and the public for him to get assistance than not?

Seeking counseling should never be the precursor to denial. The diagnosis and history should warrant the denial. There are tens of thousands of drinking NC residents with a gun. Many would be defined as alcoholics but yet don’t seek help. Should the government deny your rights on the basis you want to better your life? I say hell no.
 
Again we see where if you seek assistance from the VA or hospital you are being denied your rights based on it maybe "possible". At what level of PTSD is deniable? As there are many levels. PTSD just means you had a traumatic experience. How you handle it is the issue is what defines you. I've been rocketed for decades, some times on a daily bases (over 100 times this year alone). Known lots of guys that were KIA. Seen lots of ugly things. Weighs on me, yes but not suicidal, depressed or have a substance use to suppress it.


CD
Just imagine what it will be like when we have "Medicare for all" and .gov has all of everybody's medical records. No wonder they want to take over health care so badly.
 
Again we see where if you seek assistance from the VA or hospital you are being denied your rights based on it maybe "possible". At what level of PTSD is deniable? As there are many levels. PTSD just means you had a traumatic experience. How you handle it is the issue is what defines you. I've been rocketed for decades, some times on a daily bases (over 100 times this year alone). Known lots of guys that were KIA. Seen lots of ugly things. Weighs on me, yes but not suicidal, depressed or have a substance use to suppress it.


CD

Estimate is that 19% of LEOs have PTSD. Yet, they are exempted from any laws that would claim PTSD as a disqualifying factor.
 
PTSD is not a permanent malady... jus' sayin'.
For some people it is...

After serving for 6 years, with two combat tours in Iraq, I spent nearly 5 years working in the research department at the VA Hospital in San Diego. I worked on PTSD research with active duty Marines from the nearby Camp Pendleton EOD unit and with veterans from all branches.

Some of our subjects were diagnosed with PTSD and their symptoms got better over time with treatment. Some refused treatments and their PTSD got better on its own. Some subjects had debilitating PTSD symptoms for years and they never went away, even with treatment.

The sad truth is that we still don't know what causes PTSD, and we don't know how to effectively treat it in all cases. Some people do better with meds. Some do better with group therapy. Some do better with individual Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.

I also saw correlation between long term PTSD and a limb lost during the traumatic event. And this often led to other issues like phantom limb pain, depression, etc.

It's crazy how far medicine has come in the last 50 years and we still can't fix everybody.

So, in conclusion, PTSD is not the same for everyone. Some people get over it quickly. Some people carry symptoms forever.
 
Estimate is that 19% of LEOs have PTSD. Yet, they are exempted from any laws that would claim PTSD as a disqualifying factor.
It's also crazy how many veterans with PTSD get out and become cops.
 
There seems to be ambiguity as to whether or not be even has an alcohol problem according to the statements in the article. Once again, I see the moral of the story as be careful what you say to a medical practitioner. While it may dissuade some people from seeking help, we are seeing time and again where information in what should be a private, privileged, conversation is being used by govt. and the cops in particular and only in ways that are negative to you.
 
I would imagine it would be close to 40%, maybe a similar percentage as to how many commit domestic violence.
You don't have to be a cop to want to shake some sense into your wife every once in a while, right? Haha.
 
For some people it is...

After serving for 6 years, with two combat tours in Iraq, I spent nearly 5 years working in the research department at the VA Hospital in San Diego. I worked on PTSD research with active duty Marines from the nearby Camp Pendleton EOD unit and with veterans from all branches.

Some of our subjects were diagnosed with PTSD and their symptoms got better over time with treatment. Some refused treatments and their PTSD got better on its own. Some subjects had debilitating PTSD symptoms for years and they never went away, even with treatment.

The sad truth is that we still don't know what causes PTSD, and we don't know how to effectively treat it in all cases. Some people do better with meds. Some do better with group therapy. Some do better with individual Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.

I also saw correlation between long term PTSD and a limb lost during the traumatic event. And this often led to other issues like phantom limb pain, depression, etc.

It's crazy how far medicine has come in the last 50 years and we still can't fix everybody.

So, in conclusion, PTSD is not the same for everyone. Some people get over it quickly. Some people carry symptoms forever.

MIRECC?
 
Underlying all of this, I kept thinking something...How many people are denied permits and just accept it because they don't have the means, time, or funds to effectively fight it in court?

"You have the opportunity to have this mitigated through legal means" doesn't mean one has the funding to do so.
 
Underlying all of this, I kept thinking something...How many people are denied permits and just accept it because they don't have the means, time, or funds to effectively fight it in court?

"You have the opportunity to have this mitigated through legal means" doesn't mean one has the funding to do so.
This is why the "just deal with it in court" response always irks me when I see it in threads.
 
I want to puke on the Meck County sheriff office. Every veteran of a conflict has seen more than the average Joe. Are we to deny them a chance to seek profession counseling by having a possible gun ownership or CHP denied? Is it more advantageous to his family and the public for him to get assistance than not?

Seeking counseling should never be the precursor to denial. The diagnosis and history should warrant the denial. There are tens of thousands of drinking NC residents with a gun. Many would be defined as alcoholics but yet don’t seek help. Should the government deny your rights on the basis you want to better your life? I say hell no.

The thing that get me about this type of behavior by the MCSO is are they applying the same criteria to their own officers?

I wonder how many Sheriffs Deputies have a history of substance abuse, accusations of domestic violence, diagnosis of PTSD?
My guess is quite a few, if not many.

Its a shame how there are one set of rules for citizens, and another for LE.....
 
Underlying all of this, I kept thinking something...How many people are denied permits and just accept it because they don't have the means, time, or funds to effectively fight it in court?

"You have the opportunity to have this mitigated through legal means" doesn't mean one has the funding to do so.
Only the low income and middle income who live two weeks from not paying the mortgage. It’s not cheap to fight for justice. But yet it’s free to fight to stay out of prison. Being bullied is not just for children.
 
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