Poll: Almost 70% Of Americans Believe Civil War Is Imminent

Go back and look at the questions in the poll.

The political, racial, and class divisions in this country are getting worse and our national dialogue is breaking down.
(PROMPT: DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT?)

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When you start with an assumption, perspective, or premise, the result is inevitably skewed.

In short, whoever commissioned or created the poll had a message they wanted to convey and poll was the mechanism to do so.

Then you only need to ask why someone would want to promote the message delivered by the poll.

charliesgrave said:

My dad deployed to Bosnia, and Haiti, among other places. His MOS had him seeing things the average enlisted man probably didn't. We were told some stories, but I can't imagine what he didn't tell us, or couldn't. When he got out, he continued to work as a contractor for the army. His experiences are part of the reason I want peace and the union upheld.

I don't care who says it, this "us and them" talk is not going to fix anything. There is no "our religion", there is no color or racial make up that makes one a "real" American. We are a not a homogeneous nation, and we have never been. Our identity isn't in personal identifiers, but in our desire for justice, domestic tranquility, general welfare and the blessings of liberty.

As a nation we're dealing with cultural, economic, and political problems that don't have easy solutions but things aren't as bad now as they have been numerous times in the past. And whatever idyllic past people are hoping to return to now never existed. We've always had a rough go of it, you just didn't see it because you didn't have 24 hour cycles of sensationalized news shoved down your throat.

It's not going to be homosexuals, abortions, LGBTQWTFBBQ, or Antifa that destroy this nation. If anything causes a civil war it's going to be the continued narrative from both sides that the other is evil. That's what fuels polls like this. Not any realistic consideration of the state of our nation.

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I sense a bias in your last few post that WE are the instigators. But, look at who is doing the pushing and shoving. Generally, I find the right, like most on this board want to be left alone. But, it's the left that want to push their beliefs on others. They are the ones pushing for the conflict. IMHO

Time to trot this back out ...

charliesgrave said:

It's not going to be homosexuals, abortions, LGBTQWTFBBQ, or Antifa that destroy this nation. If anything causes a civil war it's going to be the continued narrative from both sides that the other is evil. That's what fuels polls like this. Not any realistic consideration of the state of our nation.

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While I don't think they will get traction for impeachment, if they did, and did it without just cause, I could see some problems arising from that. The political class upending an election and proving that not only does your vote not count for anything but that the electoral college does not either? Not sure that would end well. For now I think the checks are there. And I've pretty much scoffed at the idea for a long time. But watching how hard the left is pushing and how blind their rage is; I'm concerned. WWI was touched off by a handful of radicals with some help by folks with political clout. And you could make the case that it was set in motion by one man that got "lucky" in his quest for assassination and got a random second try. When the dominoes are in place, it can be petty and random things that push them over.

gc70 said:

Go back and look at the questions in the poll.

When you start with an assumption, perspective, or premise, the result is inevitably skewed.

In short, whoever commissioned or created the poll had a message they wanted to convey and poll was the mechanism to do so.

Then you only need to ask why someone would want to promote the message delivered by the poll.

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Oddly enough, there is evidence that 2 of the 3 assumptions are wrong. Race relations are actually polling quite well right now, better than Obama's administration actually. And class separation is a bit of a myth, everyone is getting wealthier. Even though the news will never tell you that. And that is worldwide, there are numerically less poor now than ever before even with a larger population. The political side of it is a disaster though. And the belligerence of the left is absurdly off base for what is actually happening. They are throwing a 4 year temper tantrum. And they are just ramping up the tantrum every time they don't get what they want. If they don't roll it back, or the public does not shut them down; they could write a check their ass will not want to cash. Where I will agree with @charliesgrave is that adding a 24 hours sycophant leftist media to the mix is just throwing gas on the fire.

charliesgrave said:

. If anything causes a civil war it's going to be the continued narrative from both sides that the other is evil. That's what fuels polls like this. Not any realistic consideration of the state of our nation.

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charliesgrave said:

you didn't have 24 hour cycles of sensationalized news shoved down your throat.

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Yup, well both sides are evil?
No consideration for the state of our nation?

I'm lost and a little surprised that a Freedom Loving Citizen such as yourself can not recognize or refuse to recognize that Pelosi & Schiff are not trying, but actually setting the stage to remove Trump by any means.
Their actions are speaking much loader than their words.

No one here or any other group is calling for a Civil War.

Not that it matters, the following vid Nutshells the outrage and core concerns about a Civil War, which BTW is not about abortions or who you want to have sex with.



Bottom Line, Charles I am Glad you are here and expressing your views, seriously.

chiefjason said:

While I don't think they will get traction for impeachment, if they did, and did it without just cause, I could see some problems arising from that. The political class upending an election and proving that not only does your vote not count for anything but that the electoral college does not either? Not sure that would end well. For now I think the checks are there.

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There is little we as individuals can do nationally. However, the problem isn’t just national. If anything it’s worse at the local level. Communists that crave power, who have managed to convince enough of the idiot masses, mostly those concentrated in urban environments, to support them are operating without any checks and balances. They’re continuing to sell out to big money that lines their pockets, operating behind closed doors and scheming to take from a people who would rather be left alone. They destroy heritage and culture, they continue to demand you pay them more and more of your money to fund their free stuff agenda for those that supported them, they continue to impose more and more draconian rules to try to eliminate things they don’t like (such as your ability to shoot your firearms or hunt). They destroy the natural regions, pollute the water, and stuff the region with invaders who don’t share the values that used to define this nation.

I look locally what is happening in Chatham county as the “leftists” take over with their high density populations dominating any worthless vote. I see it in the news happening in Alamance county where yesterday there was a news blurb about how the county commission illegally maneuvered to approve a quarry in Snow Camp (similar to Chatham). Again and again, it is the same names behind the corruption.

It may have always been this way, but it doesn’t make it right and is happening in our time. Just because they got away with it in the past doesn’t justify not stopping it now. You’ll never vote your way out of this. You’ll never sue for solutions in the courts because they own the supposedly elected and they own the courts. Most of all, too much of the population is either drunk on what they’re selling or too apathetic and lazy to care about freedom, which is hard work.

Look, I’m not trying to be an ass here, but, just look at Europe today. It’s been the left that has opened their borders to unlimited invaders from the ME. They don’t come as refugees, they come as invaders. Europe’s crime has risen 200%! They rape and get away with it, they kill and get away with it, they bomb, they kidnap, they beat citizens for crimes against them that’s only a crime in their home country. They don’t wish to be good neighbors or citizens, they with to be overlords! The Christian religion is being replaced by governments with Islam. It’s being taught in schools, an even if they say it’s just history, what do you think young children remember? They are being brainwashed. I’ve sat in on classified briefings, Britain is basically a Muslim state, France is heading there, Germany, the Neatherlands, all are just about gone. We’ve opened the door into this country (our great president Obutthead) for them to come in, as well as our southern neighbors because they will do what most Americans won’t, stand up for the left! What will you do when your daughter is raped and killed for wearing a short skirt or bikini, because it offended someone who wasn’t even born in this country!? Then they get off because it was in their religion? We have “Honor “ killings here in this country now, the media doesn’t write about them. Politicians now come out as communists or socialists without fear of being labeled and push this down our collective throats. The American Revolution started with a 3% tax on tea, how much longer do you really think we can be pushed tax wise to the brink? Think about how much taxes we pay on things that we own outright. Think also about where that money goes ( besides into politicians pockets). How much of it actually benefits us as Americans? I know I’m rambling and I’m trying not to as I write about things I’ve witnessed and studied. In the end, my thought is that CW in this country is much closer than most of us think and it would take very little to set it off. It won’t be a war like you think, but it’ll be every bit as nasty. I hope and pray the day never comes, I pray my kids and grandkids never see it, but we are in a war right now for not only our country and way of life, but our souls.

I'm not sure it is avoidable. This is a good run down. The thing that struck me was that there are several million "Alt Right" whom have already given up. So after the left takes the white house, senate and house and start passing all kinds of idiocy, these people are going to start it whether we like it or not.

Yeah it's a civil war already (for years actually) ..just no bullets flying. The courts especially, the way they've been weaponized, are the best evidence.

charliesgrave said:

The only people who want civil war are the people too dumb to take a look at history (our own civil war, the Balkans) and realize what an absolute mess one would be.

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I don't see anyone talking about WANTING one, just whether they think it's likely. For me, I've been watching for a few decades as civility has broken down and one side of the political divide has tried to eliminate (not beat) the other. It's a hell of a lot worse than any time I remember.

charliesgrave said:

How about a couple loonies on the left running for president? Is that worth the destruction of our union? A couple antifa morons political larping in a couple big cities? Is that worth the deaths of a massive amount of our citizens?

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Let me ask this: what IS worth it, then?

It's not worth it when they force people to work against their will?
It's not worth it when they take most of your money and property?
It's not worth it when they criminalize your speech because you disagree with the accepted position?
It's not worth it when they put cameras and microphones in your electronic devices to monitor if you're saying or doing anything unapproved?
It's not worth it when they remove any ability you have to fight back?
- At that point, it's too late.

So at what point, to you, is the consequence of NO conflict finally worth the conflict?

From what I see, there is a good sized portion of our nation's population who want to completely eliminate conservative thought, and who want to force their specific version of morality on everyone. I don't THINK you're saying it, but it sure looks like you're arguing for safety over liberty.

As for me, I don't WANT a civil war, or whatever sort of conflict it would more likely be. But I moved to where I am because almost fifteen years ago I saw it coming, and so far it's progressed about the way I expected, although faster than I expected. And frankly, if it is to happen, I would much rather get it over with. "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace"