8 shot in Durham in less than 24hrs

I'm sorry you had a bad experience at Duke. You do realize that Duke is one of the best hospitals in the world right? It does not it mean we're perfect, I worked at UNC and have worked at Duke now for 16 years, I'd put my life in the hands of both hospitals and be comfortable.

Even with the shootings in news, I feel perfectly safe being in 99% of the city. I am also safe in that 1%, I just know when to go there. Durham such a cesspool that property value is rising 300% downtown, and it's consistently voted one of the best places to work.

Like the T-shirt says, "I would rather die of gunshot and Durham than boredom in Cary."

The person I took to Duke used to work there and later at the VA. I'm sure the care there is great. I worked on the Medical Pavilion and the Cancer Cntr projects. The other day was the first time I 've actually been inside any part of the facility after it became operational. Like I said above, the people who work there that I came in contact with who were not doctors or nurses have a lot to learn about politness, compassion and just general human decency. I think you know what I am talking about. And then last night a woman's car got ventilated right there in front of the VA. I'll take my chances somewhere else.
 
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8 counts of Misdemeanor homicide. ;) Probably all stemming from "business" disputes or the ubiquitous "disrespectin n shit".

Durham needs an LAPD style S.I.S. unit to end this type of thing. Not going to happen in a city run by liberals. Takes out too many of their voting base. Regards 18DAI
 
I work for Duke. Safest I ever felt in Durham was in the early 90's when the Saudi princess and queen mother came for treatment. We had more guys in dark suits, sunglasses, earphones, and large lumps under their arms than you could believe. Was about the same time the Jamaicans were trying to take over the turf. We had 22 GSW's come through my ICU that summer
 
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I'm sorry you had a bad experience at Duke. You do realize that Duke is one of the best hospitals in the world right? It does not it mean we're perfect, I worked at UNC and have worked at Duke now for 16 years, I'd put my life in the hands of both hospitals and be comfortable.

Even with the shootings in news, I feel perfectly safe being in 99% of the city. I am also safe in that 1%, I just know when to go there. Durham such a cesspool that property value is rising 300% downtown, and it's consistently voted one of the best places to work.

Like the T-shirt says, "I would rather die of gunshot and Durham than boredom in Cary."

You leave Cary out of this. I read last week someone ran a stop sign!

But in all seriousness, I took my son to Duke weekly for just over a year, and then monthly for another 3 years. Only bad experience I had in that time, was when we had to visit the ER. There were 2 GSW's that came in that night, but the care was subpar in the ER. I moved from Charlotte to this area, strictly for the care we could receive at Duke Children's hospital.
 
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I never felt or feel unsafe in Durham. Maybe it's because I have spent so much time here, maybe it's because I was a medic on the tactical team, maybe it was because I spent so much time on the bus. Hell, half offenders I know by first name.

@Curmudgeon , lol I remember that. Between them and the Durham Police and the various federal agencies that were crawling all over, this place was like down tight. It's like that 2 when we get a presidential or vice presidential visit.
 
Well, when one of the first things the new chief of police does is get rid of the gang unit and the city council turns down a request for more officers, then what the h.... do you expect to happen? Violent crime is up in Durham 42% this year over last year. So glad I moved out of the city
DITTO!!!!
 
Two more shootings this morning. Sounds like gang-bangers trying to make their bones. Nevertheless, it's a safe city. The city council says so. I think you're looking at the new Chicago.
 
You leave Cary out of this. I read last week someone ran a stop sign!

Stop signs are just stop suggestions in Cary. I heard someone put up a business sign an inch too big and now faces 15-20 in the big house!

Seriously though, just like the sheriffs not honoring ICE detainers, the Durham Police can't expect to keep an open dialogue with the criminal community if they keep arresting and charging them. What are y'all thinking? Don't you want the criminals to trust the police?
 
For those of you who claim it's not a safe city, can you point to the data? 90% of the violent crime occurs within a specific 10 block radius, and 95% of the victims are related in some fashion to the assailant. Violent crime has gone up, but almost everyone affected is related to that violent crime.
 
I only go to Durham for the Blue Note. And truth be told if I get shot while walking from the Blue Note to the Uber vehicle I probably wouldn’t feel it. When you live in the Peak of Good Living there is no reason to go to Durham. :D

Unless I need my chest cracked open again someday. I’d choose Duke based on experience. :(
 
I never felt or feel unsafe in Durham. Maybe it's because I have spent so much time here, maybe it's because I was a medic on the tactical team, maybe it was because I spent so much time on the bus. Hell, half offenders I know by first name.

I spent a lot of time in Flint, MI in the late 80s so Durham doesn't bother me much. The only time I felt uneasy is when the big counter KKK "flash demonstration" happened. Too many people and a confusing time for situational awareness.
 
Here's a song I wrote about Durham about 25 years ago. It's sung to the tune of "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer."
Durham the City of medicine ,has lot of criminals.
So if you ever come here, you might get shot in the nose.
All of the gangs and Felons,
Come here for their work and play.
Cuz if they're apprehended,
In jail they will not stay.
Drugs and gangs, small business loans,
Housing scandals too.
Rapist, con-men, carjackers,
Even murderers that cry whoooo.
So if you'd like to live here,
And you need a place to stay.
Get a loan through the city,
You never have to reeeeepay.
Don Rutherford
The more things change the more they remain the same sadly.
 
The cops do a pretty good job of apprehending the bad guys but they have no control over the rest of the system putting them right back on the streets.
I lived in Durham about 20 years ago and it was reported at the time that the "clearance rate" on crime there was 7%. That is to say that 7 percent of the time they were pretty sure they knew who committed the crime, not that they actually convicted 7%. By comparison, the national average was about 20%, and Raleigh was reporting between 25 and 30 percent. I would not call that a "pretty good job".
 
I lived in Durham about 20 years ago and it was reported at the time that the "clearance rate" on crime there was 7%. That is to say that 7 percent of the time they were pretty sure they knew who committed the crime, not that they actually convicted 7%. By comparison, the national average was about 20%, and Raleigh was reporting between 25 and 30 percent. I would not call that a "pretty good job".

Hmmm. It's much higher with violent crimes, especially assaults and homicide. I don't know about the other stuff.
 
I'm sorry you had a bad experience at Duke. You do realize that Duke is one of the best hospitals in the world right? It does not it mean we're perfect, I worked at UNC and have worked at Duke now for 16 years, I'd put my life in the hands of both hospitals and be comfortable.

Even with the shootings in news, I feel perfectly safe being in 99% of the city. I am also safe in that 1%, I just know when to go there. Durham such a cesspool that property value is rising 300% downtown, and it's consistently voted one of the best places to work.

Like the T-shirt says, "I would rather die of gunshot and Durham than boredom in Cary."

Agree about the hospital based on my experience.

But if you need to ‘know where to go’ then that city is not all that safe. Most people won’t have the experience, knowledge and training you have. It’s kinda like Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore etc. There are good areas in all those cities. It doesn’t mean I want to spend my free time there.

As to votes and polls on best place to live and work. Ehhh. Yeah, Hillary is the Prez based on all that type of stuff. And marketing/propaganda. :p
 
I never felt or feel unsafe in Durham. Maybe it's because I have spent so much time here, maybe it's because I was a medic on the tactical team, maybe it was because I spent so much time on the bus. Hell, half offenders I know by first name.

You, good sir, are an outlier of the best kind. You are right in your later post that most places are safe and most of the violence is among criminals who know each other.

That said, I've been here 30 years, and while I don't have hard numbers, I feel that there is an ongoing increase in collateral damage, meaning wanna be gang members proving themselves with random violence against innocents.

I am also more fed up than ever because of the toll I have seen it take on my kids' classmates who live in or near the projects, and the fact that just a couple weeks ago my wife narrowly avoided getting tangled up with a banger that decided to make his run from the law in an otherwise 'safe' area.
 
I only go to Durham for the Blue Note. And truth be told if I get shot while walking from the Blue Note to the Uber vehicle I probably wouldn’t feel it. When you live in the Peak of Good Living there is no reason to go to Durham. :D

Do the distillery tour next door to Blue Note!
 
The previous chief, Lopez, was hired for his Affirmative Action credentials and they thought it would help out with the Hispanics. But the blacks wanted a black chief, so they forced Lopez out in 2015, and hired a black woman. Maybe the next chief will be hired based on his abilities.
 
The previous chief, Lopez, was hired for his Affirmative Action credentials and they thought it would help out with the Hispanics. But the blacks wanted a black chief, so they forced Lopez out in 2015, and hired a black woman. Maybe the next chief will be hired based on his abilities.

There was also that whole thing around someone being shot and killed while handcuffed in a police car, and someone needed to take the fall for that.
 
There was also that whole thing around someone being shot and killed while handcuffed in a police car, and someone needed to take the fall for that.

Oh, I forgot about that. Kid "committed suicide" while handcuffed in the back seat of a police car. I wonder what he knew about the Clintons.
 
Oh, I forgot about that. Kid "committed suicide" while handcuffed in the back seat of a police car. I wonder what he knew about the Clintons.
I recall a story on the news that the kid farted and the .380 pistol hidden went off. ;)
 
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I lived in Durham about 20 years ago and it was reported at the time that the "clearance rate" on crime there was 7%. That is to say that 7 percent of the time they were pretty sure they knew who committed the crime, not that they actually convicted 7%. By comparison, the national average was about 20%, and Raleigh was reporting between 25 and 30 percent. I would not call that a "pretty good job".

That was 20 years ago. What's their average now?
 
That was 20 years ago. What's their average now?
I tried briefly researching this but the results were rather confusing. Even the people publishing the numbers say that differences in the way different jurisdictions report crime statistics make comparisons iffy. My guess is that they have found ways to massage the numbers to make themselves look less inept. Two crimes in particular during my brief time there told me all I needed to know. One was a case of two citizens hijacking an SUV at Home Depot on a Saturday morning. The perps fled at a high rate of speed until they crashed into a bridge abuttment, killing one of them and putting the other in the hospital for 10 days (no doubt at taxpayer expense). Upon his release from the hospital, the police did not even bother to charge him with anything, presumably feeling that he had suffered enough. The other case was one of a young man being apprehended for firing into an occupied city bus. Turned out that he was on probation for firing into an occupied bus--so the answer to 'How many buses do you have to shoot up to get put in jail around here' is more than one.
 
Agree about the hospital based on my experience.

But if you need to ‘know where to go’ then that city is not all that safe. Most people won’t have the experience, knowledge and training you have. It’s kinda like Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore etc. There are good areas in all those cities. It doesn’t mean I want to spend my free time there.

As to votes and polls on best place to live and work. Ehhh. Yeah, Hillary is the Prez based on all that type of stuff. And marketing/propaganda. :p

Isn't that true with any city, though? Every city has more/less desirable areas and neighborhoods. I love Washington DC; but I know where to avoid. Same with NYC. But that 'best places to live' and 'best places to work' data, it's out there (same for Raleigh). Clearly people are moving here so the good must outweigh the bad for many people.

To be candid, I am ambivalent. I do think Durham gets a bum rap because of what it used to be. But if my wife said today 'let's move,' I would have the house packed tomorrow. I am not married to Durham.
 
Durham mayor says Universal Background Checks will stop the gun violence in Durham.
https://www.cbs17.com/news/local-ne...e-in-police-department-amid-rash-of-violence/
What a tool...

IF the shooters are caught AND the firearm used is recovered it would be very interesting to see how said firearm was acquired ... I’d be betting black market 2 to 1 so no background check law would do a damn bit of good. But the idiot mayor and other city officials in Durham (or many other cities, states or in DC) will admit criminals and such do not buy firearms thru legal channels where Gun Laws would actually be applied.
 
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Either they do better reporting in Durham or better cover-up in Raleigh but why is it always Durham in the news for shootings?

The past 72 hours notwithstanding, for every GSW reported on the news, there is one who rolls into the ED that didn't. 98% of the shootings happen in a 10-block radius of Liberty/Hyde Park, and a 10-block radius of Alston/Lawson. Once they bulldozed Few Gardens, it got a lot better.
 
Everyone has their take and opinion. Mine don’t count much because I ain’t no worldly intellect.. you know the kind. They can dunk. They can score (on field and other places). They can hit home runs. They hit 3’s. There are also the ones that sing (Babs and Bette come to mind), act (craftily lie on camera), do rap videos with backup’s performing simulated sex acts, pontificate and blackmail corporations to give my Rainbow Push coalition $$....etc

BUT, to me....the Durham situation is almost as out of control as in Mexico or Brazil or Venezuela. I travelled a lot to Brasil. 95% of the population would never go to Rio as most of the city was drug lord controlled and the police weren’t allowed in.

The shootings were gang related. Initiation or revenge. Those resulted in deaths. The others were merely subterfuge. They were either staged to make it look random or an “in your face” event to establish who is REALLY in charge.

There will be votive candles lit....and I am sorry for the families of the victims... There will be hand wringing. There will be political soap box speeches as to HOW the folks that pay taxes need to pay more to hep the folks that don’t work or don’t have the niceties of life. Wonder how many Gang Member are toting an OSP (Obama Smart Phone)?

I go to Duke hospital maybe 3 times per year... I do it in daylight. I would NOT allow a friend to go there if there was a chance of hospitalization....because it would be unsafe to visit after dark.

Rarely watch OTA TV. Turned on WRAL this morning for weather as I was doing my morning PT. Their News Tracker 5 was on the scene. Jim Goodmon probably called and told the reporters to go back to Raleigh and report on how fabulous Dix Hill Central Park was gonna be. Capitol Broadcasting and Jim boy have millions invested in Durham with the Bulls and the restoration. He does NOT want the public to know how dangerous Durham has become..
 
I tried briefly researching this but the results were rather confusing. Even the people publishing the numbers say that differences in the way different jurisdictions report crime statistics make comparisons iffy. My guess is that they have found ways to massage the numbers to make themselves look less inept. Two crimes in particular during my brief time there told me all I needed to know. One was a case of two citizens hijacking an SUV at Home Depot on a Saturday morning. The perps fled at a high rate of speed until they crashed into a bridge abuttment, killing one of them and putting the other in the hospital for 10 days (no doubt at taxpayer expense). Upon his release from the hospital, the police did not even bother to charge him with anything, presumably feeling that he had suffered enough. The other case was one of a young man being apprehended for firing into an occupied city bus. Turned out that he was on probation for firing into an occupied bus--so the answer to 'How many buses do you have to shoot up to get put in jail around here' is more than one.

Well, in both of those examples the police caught the bad guys. It was up to the DA's office to charge the guy in the hospital and the police have nothing to do with someone getting probation or not. What exactly do you want the police to do?
 
Here's a good one:

Mayor Steve Schewel told reporters Wednesday that more police officers are not the answer -- gun laws are. "Friends, I just want to tell you this. We are not going to stop gun violence in Durham until we stop guns in Durham," he said. "If we don't have common sense gun laws in North Carolina, like universal background checks and restrictions on flea market sales, if we're not able to do that then we are not going to stop this gun violence. And anyone that is telling you different is not telling the truth."

So homey with a record won't be able to get a gun becasue he can't pass the universal background check and the gun dealer at the flea market has to deny him a sale. Yeah, that'll work perfectly,

Anyone know of any good flea market gun sales happening this weekend? :confused:
 
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