Video: What Is The Most Important Shooting Fundamental?

Meh! I'd never argue against consistency, but to me the most important shooting fundamental is:

mindset.
 
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Me. said:
I agree. Shooting isn’t always about speed, but it is always about hitting something.

Mindset isn’t a fundamental. Fundamentals are things you do, not things that you are or have.

Plus... what does mindset have to do with a fundamental of say... clay shooting, deer hunting, or bullseye pistol? A ‘fundamental of shooting’ would apply to all shooting (IMO).
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Mindset has everything to do with all the sports you mentioned (and all the ones you didn't). Fundamentally, if you do not have, for example, confidence in yourself, you'll suck at everything including shooting. If you don't believe you can press the trigger straight back, then you can't. If you don't want to learn, then you won't. Without a proper mindset, nothing else matters at all. Seems fundamental to me. Just my opinion.
 
I don't believe in trying to segregate out one fundamental and saying it's the most important. Either something is fundamental or it isn't.

Consistency doesn't strike me as a fundamental. It looks to me like it's something we develop by putting the fundamentals to work well.
 
NKD said:
Mindset has everything to do with all the sports you mentioned (and all the ones you didn't). Fundamentally, if you do not have, for example, confidence in yourself, you'll suck at everything including shooting. If you don't believe you can press the trigger straight back, then you can't. If you don't want to learn, then you won't. Without a proper mindset, nothing else matters at all. Seems fundamental to me. Just my opinion.
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This is an interesting post. I think I'd prefer to say that mindset isn't a fundamental of shooting, for exactly the reason that you say it is. That is, shooting is a skill. Mindset has to do with whether or how well you develop that skill or put it to use. So it lies outside of the skill, whereas I'd say the fundamentals are internal to the skill. But I haven't thought this through and don't really know if that position will hold up.
 
Stobie said:
He gets on my nerves, but his vid on dealing with being cross-dominant is pretty dang good.
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He can definitely shoot and seems to know his stuff.....but he’s just a huge douche.
 
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Moylan said:
This is an interesting post. I think I'd prefer to say that mindset isn't a fundamental of shooting, for exactly the reason that you say it is. That is, shooting is a skill. Mindset has to do with whether or how well you develop that skill or put it to use. So it lies outside of the skill, whereas I'd say the fundamentals are internal to the skill. But I haven't thought this through and don't really know if that position will hold up.
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Honestly, in my life of competing in everything from billiards to sports to shooting, I can not understand how you separate physical and mental skills. They are part of the same thing.

You can’t have one without the other. How do you get good at golf if you don’t have e correct mindset or desire to play well? You don’t.

Take two kids wanting to learn a sport:
One has the mindset that he can learn and wants to learn.
One hs the mindset that he can’t learn and he doesn’t want to learn.

One is going to develop real skill and so will the other, despite himself, but he’ll get destroyed by the kid with the proper mindset. Mindset is a skill. It can be developed like a muscle.
 
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I think he needs to work on fundamentals of communication.
 
Me. said:
There is mindset, and skillset.

"Fundamentals of shooting" fall into "skillset" (IMO).

Not saying mindset isn't important, I'm saying it is not a "fundamental of shooting".

For that matter, neither is "consistency" which was the point of the video. Mindset can at least be argued for. Consistency? No. I can be consistently bad at something. that is not a "fundamental".
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I didn't say anything about consistency.

Just completely disagree with you on the rest. Agree to disagree. Mindset is certainly a part of skillset, and in improving that skillset, imo.
 
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Mindset is a "soft skill"
Proper grip is a "hard skill"

"Teaching" soft skills is a tough order.
It often requires "un learning" previously learned soft skills.

Un learn me...
It takes a very skilled instructor to unlearn someone without mental "abuse."
 
NKD said:
Honestly, in my life of competing in everything from billiards to sports to shooting, I can not understand how you separate physical and mental skills. They are part of the same thing.

You can’t have one without the other. How do you get good at golf if you don’t have e correct mindset or desire to play well? You don’t.

Take two kids wanting to learn a sport:
One has the mindset that he can learn and wants to learn.
One hs the mindset that he can’t learn and he doesn’t want to learn.

One is going to develop real skill and so will the other, despite himself, but he’ll get destroyed by the kid with the proper mindset. Mindset is a skill. It can be developed like a muscle.
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As you said to "Me," I'll agree to disagree with you, although I'm not sure there's really that much to disagree on. I'm making a distinction that you don't think can really be made. If the mindset accounts for the attainment or development of the skillset, it's not part of the skillset, but lies outside of it, playing an explanatory role. Can't have a baby without parents: doesn't mean the parents are part of the baby. :) Still, you need both. And probably other stuff, too.

LTC Cooper talked about the Combat Triad: marksmanship, gun handling and mindset. Massad Ayoob talks about the Priorities of Survival: mindset, tactics, skill and equipment. I am thinking of this issue in Ayoob's terms. Mindset is definitely the most important. But it's still conceptually distinct from tactics or skill.
 
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As you said to "Me," I'll agree to disagree with you, although I'm not sure there's really that much to disagree on. I'm making a distinction that you don't think can really be made. If the mindset accounts for the attainment or development of the skillset, it's not part of the skillset, but lies outside of it, playing an explanatory role. Can't have a baby without parents: doesn't mean the parents are part of the baby. :) Still, you need both. And probably other stuff, too.

LTC Cooper talked about the Combat Triad: marksmanship, gun handling and mindset. Massad Ayoob talks about the Priorities of Survival: mindset, tactics, skill and equipment. I am thinking of this issue in Ayoob's terms. Mindset is definitely the most important. But it's still conceptually distinct from tactics or skill.
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Name dropping people is not going to make me agree with you. I also disagree with the two guys you mentioned on likely a great many things.

I have my own opinions based on my own experience with competition in shooting and other games and sports. You have a different opinion. Cheers.
 
As many have said, it's a combination of things coming together. Like the fire triad, fuel, air and heat. The fire doesn't exist if one componet is missing. So, for me, what's the most important fundemental? The one you're weakest at. ;)
 
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If we're talking Target Shooting, I agree with Billy that the Most Important Thing is trigger control.

If we're talking Self Defense Shooting, it's Get Off The X!
 
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