Ikarus1
Avtomat Krishna-kov
Good ol Tex!
Good ol Tex!
Preach.This is the guy who shot himself using a Serpa and everyone blamed the Serpa. I like Serpas fine. I have at least three and i have no idea how many draws from them. I never understood all the Serpa hate.
This is the guy who shot himself using a Serpa and everyone blamed the Serpa. I like Serpas fine. I have at least three and i have no idea how many draws from them. I never understood all the Serpa hate.
There's also a reason they're banned at manner competitions, classes, and ranges.
Find one for $10 in the discount bin, break the button out of it and they'll let you run them. I've been doing that for 3 years now. Finally took the black tape off the remaining 'button hole' so the RO could see it wasn't there without having to ask me.
I did ask today, and he reminded me of all the holes in the trays, the dividers, and even the target holders....lol. I had forgotten about those! He had pointed them out to me very early in our instruction, over a year ago now.I would be interested in knowing his response if you decide to ask.
This is the guy who shot himself using a Serpa and everyone blamed the Serpa. I like Serpas fine. I have at least three and i have no idea how many draws from them. I never understood all the Serpa hate.
I got one of those with the button when I bought the Glock! Dang! I've never used it, thought I'd use it in matches, until Billy told me I can't.The holster requires you to actuate a button with your trigger finger, over the trigger, in a similar manner to a trigger pull, while you are drawing your weapon
Now you've answered my next question. Thanks! Glad I don't have to toss that one I got in the trash bin.Find one for $10 in the discount bin, break the button out of it and they'll let you run them. I've been doing that for 3 years now. Finally took the black tape off the remaining 'button hole' so the RO could see it wasn't there without having to ask me.
Many years ago I worked at a large gun shop that had 20 indoor shooting bays and my primary job was to act as the Range officer. Many of our shooting trays and partitions had bullet holes in them and we had a "no holster" rule that eliminated people wanting to practice drawing from the hip causing even more damage and liability. Weekly I would have to replace to replace the light tubes in the ceiling where folks would send an accidental discharge upwards. I found that about 75% of our customers were new to shooting and were causing most of the damage and as time went by the more serious shooters would find an outdoor club of some sort to shoot at.I did ask today, and he reminded me of all the holes in the trays, the dividers, and even the target holders....lol. I had forgotten about those! He had pointed them out to me very early in our instruction, over a year ago now.
He does allow a select few draw and shoot, but only if there's nobody else in there, or very few people, and only when he's sure they can do it safely. He doesn't want everyone waving guns around in there, because he doesn't know how proficient they are with drawing from a holster.
I think in light of the shooting/death recently at my range, things will be even tighter now. Though how can the guys really tell who is new/depressed and who isn't? They can't read minds! Not sure what they can do about gauging peoples' experience/intent before they go in.Many years ago I worked at a large gun shop that had 20 indoor shooting bays and my primary job was to act as the Range officer. Many of our shooting trays and partitions had bullet holes in them and we had a "no holster" rule that eliminated people wanting to practice drawing from the hip causing even more damage and liability. Weekly I would have to replace to replace the light tubes in the ceiling where folks would send an accidental discharge upwards. I found that about 75% of our customers were new to shooting and were causing most of the damage and as time went by the more serious shooters would find an outdoor club of some sort to shoot at.
How can we tell whos new? Less then 10 seconds from the minute they walk in the door. They pass the first test ? Another 15 seconds of them talking to me. 5 minutes thru the sign in process and more talk?? Yeah we can tell where you rank safety wise. To a certain extent, obviously.I think in light of the shooting/death recently at my range, things will be even tighter now. Though how can the guys really tell who is new and who isn't? They can't read minds! Not sure what they can do about gauging peoples' experience before they go in.
In my case, I got instruction from the range manager for a while before going in on my own. So they knew I was ok, more or less. lol.
But can you tell if someone wants to end their life with one of your rented guns? This is what all of us are asking ourselves the last few weeks, trust me, there was no sign that I could see.How can we tell whos new? Less then 10 seconds from the minute they walk in the door. They pass the first test ? Another 15 seconds of them talking to me. 5 minutes thru the sign in process and more talk?? Yeah we can tell where you rank safety wise.
Probably not, they plan, they hide it well.But can you tell if someone wants to end their life with one of your rented guns? This is what all of us are asking ourselves the last few weeks, trust me, there was no sign that I could see.
That's what my cousin (the therapist) said. It haunts me, though. Always will.Probably not, they plan, they hide it well.
The Serpa holster isn't bad, it's how people use them. You are supposed to depress the lock release with your finger extended and flat so it comes out indexed against the frame or trigger guard, but in use people use the tip of their finger to depress the button and it continues into the trigger guard and you end Tex'ing your self.
I still have a couple of Serpas but there are better options now.
Really? It's simple common sense. The holster requires you to actuate a button with your trigger finger, over the trigger, in a similar manner to a trigger pull, while you are drawing your weapon. That develops muscle memory. While you should never be in a hurry to holster your pistol, the same isn't true of the draw. It's a bad design teaches bad habits.
There's a reason you see them in so many draw-related NDs. There's also a reason they're banned at manner competitions, classes, and ranges.
Plenty of much better designed holsters on the market if you require mechanical retention
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Not sure where you get this. Have you ever owned one? Doesn't sound like it. When i draw from a Serpa my trigger finger is not over the trigger. It over the frame of the gun above the trigger. So if that is what you are complaining about you are simply wrong. They are banned because people are idiots and departments will ban something for any reason to avoid possible liability from idiots doing idiotic things. Don't put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire. Same reason why you have to put disclaimers like "Caution: Hot Liquid" on a coffee pot or "Not for human consumption" on the Shampoo bottle. Why haven't every department and group banned them and only some?
Ever wondered why they still sell them in today's litigious society? Let that one sink in there... You think hard on that one. Then go buy a Serpa and try it yourself.
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Not sure where you get this. Have you ever owned one? Doesn't sound like it. When i draw from a Serpa my trigger finger is not over the trigger. It over the frame of the gun above the trigger. So if that is what you are complaining about you are simply wrong. They are banned because people are idiots and departments will ban something for any reason to avoid possible liability from idiots doing idiotic things. Don't put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire. Same reason why you have to put disclaimers like "Caution: Hot Liquid" on a coffee pot or "Not for human consumption" on the Shampoo bottle. Why haven't every department and group banned them and only some?
Ever wondered why they still sell them in today's litigious society? Let that one sink in there... You think hard on that one. Then go buy a Serpa and try it yourself.
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This is the correct answer.Safariland makes some retention holsters less prone to NDs than a Serpa if you need or want that kind of retention. GLS and ALS come to mind.
I don’t know a match director anywhere in eastern NC who likes them or readily allows them in their matches. Some of these matches have 100 plus shooters for six stages which means 600 load and reholsters, then 600 more draws of a hot gun.Haters gonna hate. They are banned because people have the power to ban them... If they were truly dangerous Blackhawk would have been sued out of existence.
I have other holsters as well. I just think its hysteria. They are not junk, but like you said its just opinion. To each their own. But i think the fact that they are still sold means that lawyers of all these idiots who shot themselves didn't have a leg to stand on when it came to court.. <--- see what i did there?
I like how people ignore reality....
The irony of this statement...
I've been working on it a lot here, but it's still not speedy, though it's getting more "comfortable" as I do it more.When @Millie shoots from here, she usually shoots from ready. She has shot from concealment, she is honest with me and more importantly herself, she does Not look comfortable.
Nope, at least not when I did mine a couple of years ago. It may have changed.N.C. requires this for CWP??? Or do they???
No they don't. I'd be surprised if you actually tried to do so. My guess is you'd be severely reprimanded or even dismissed from the class.I didn't think much of it at the time because I know N.C. requires this for CWP??? Or do they???
Not to sound like a smartass, but honestly I don’t know, and I don’t care. Just because Blackhawk's lawyers are okay with it doesn’t mean you should be..... Answer the question... Why is it still sold in the most litigious society on this planet?
No they don't. I'd be surprised if you actually tried to do so. My guess is you'd be severely reprimanded or even dismissed from the class.
Seems that SOP in NC is setting the firearm on the bench in front of you, chamber open, and when instructed to lock and load you then become prepared to fire.
There is no shooting from low ready, high ready, or any of that. That gun stays on the bench until instructed otherwise. If you wanna shoot from the draw, take a different class or go play with USPSA.
Of course there's a zillion people 'teaching' this stuff so who knows what some of them do.
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