Jan 20 2020 Richmond VA VCDL Lobby Day

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bigfelipe said:
I'm guessing this is a gun free zone?
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I’ve been looking at Municipal Code for Richmond and don’t see anything stating you cannot open carry. I saw a pic from yesterday at the capital building with rifles being carried. I’ll keep digging and see if I find anything to the contrary. If anyone knows differently, please post it up.
 
bigfelipe said:
I'm guessing this is a gun free zone?
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Open Carry with a rifle is legal with and without valid concealed handgun permit.
If you do not have a valid concealed handgun permit, limit of 20 round magazines will apply.

If you don't want to drive all the way, you can purchase bus tickets from VCDL for the ride to and from the
event.

Every citizen should attend this event. A strong turnout could be the difference in VA becoming less 2A friendly than NY or not.

“Whatever is my right as a man is also the right of another; and it becomes my duty to guarantee as well as to possess.”
― Thomas Paine
 
I think as the day gets closer the authorities will move to establish a gun free zone around the protest area. Keeping the two opposing sides apart is going to take all the efforts of the security forces and havings guns could be a calamity not seen in our time.
 
dorton said:
Open Carry with a rifle is legal with and without valid concealed handgun permit.
If you do not have a valid concealed handgun permit, limit of 20 round magazines will apply.

If you don't want to drive all the way, you can purchase bus tickets from VCDL for the ride to and from the
event.

Every citizen should attend this event. A strong turnout could be the difference in VA becoming less 2A friendly than NY or not.

“Whatever is my right as a man is also the right of another; and it becomes my duty to guarantee as well as to possess.”
― Thomas Paine
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So with an NC CCW permit I can have my 30rd mags?

What about concealed handguns?
 
VADL is requesting that no one shows up to the lobby area with a long gun as it will “distract” from their message.

see statement:
VCDL's Lobby Day. It is not VCDL's Protest Day.

There is a distinct difference between the two.

Lobby Day is about, well, lobbying - sending a message to the General Assembly and to the Governor, Attorney General, and the Lt. Governor. That message is simple: no more gun control that in any way, shape, or form negatively affects law-abiding gun owners. Bills that go after criminals or bills that are beneficial to gun owners are fine.

While there have been some verbal threats by the Democrat leadership to push major gun control down the throats of Virginia's gun owners and some very bad bills already filed to back up that threat, NOTHING has happened yet and won't until after January 8. And perhaps it won't happen at all, if we press hard enough.

The sanctuary movement, with its absolutely massive turnouts of gun owners, is sending a deafening message to lawmakers ahead of Lobby Day. On top of that, we now believe the size of the crowd on Lobby Day could be absolutely incredible, possibly historic, if gun owners from around the state follow through and attend as we believe they will. You will absolutely want to be a part of this!


Militias

Various militia groups from Virginia and nearby states have graciously volunteered to provide security. With a large Capitol, Richmond, and State police presence, not to mention enough citizens armed with handguns to take over a modern mid-sized country, we have the security base covered nicely. That said, we welcome our militia brothers and sisters to be part of making the day a success! Some militia groups are looking to take canned food donations during Lobby Day and deliver them to a Richmond Food Bank.


Long Guns

If you are asking how you can help with VCDL's mission, carrying long guns at Lobby Day is not helpful - it is a distraction. VCDL's important messages inevitably get lost as the press rushes to get pictures of anyone carrying an AR or AK. The stories then become about the rifle, not VCDL's agenda. You can set your watch by it. Long guns are not easy to carry in a crowd, either. VCDL needs its voice heard loud and clear in order to able to stop the onslaught of gun-control bills.


Laws you need to know for carry in Richmond

You can't have a magazine in a centerfire rifle or pistol that holds more than 20 rounds unless you have a Concealed Handgun Permit (CHP). You must also have a CHP if the centerfire rifle or pistol has a threaded barrel or a folding stock. Click here to see the code section, which also covers similar restrictions on shotguns: 18.2-287.4

Open carry without a CHP is legal in Virginia, but watch the restrictions in the previous paragraph.

You need a CHP to carry in the General Assembly or Capitol Building. Once through security, you can carry openly or concealed in the buildings. You cannot carry in the gallery over the Senator Floor. Keep an eye on these alerts. Should any of this change, we will notify you here.


VCDL Lobby Day is a peaceful event about gun rights and NOTHING ELSE

We are NOT there to have arguments with the other side. They lobby, we lobby, and never the two shall meet. Just ignore them.

And we are not there to push any other agenda. Our total focus is on protecting our right to keep and bear arms. Period. This is not about flags, statues, history, etc. Just guns.

If you somehow find yourself being harassed by the other side, don't engage them. They could well be baiting you and recording what you do for propaganda purposes. If necessary, go find a police officer and let them take care of the person causing the disturbance. Otherwise, just ignore them and go about your business.

VCDL has a great relationship with the Capitol Police, the Richmond Police, the Virginia State Police, and most other law enforcement agencies in the Commonwealth. We welcome their presence and are glad they are there to keep everything peaceful, while we work on the job at hand.

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This should be a great event, with freedom-loving Americans from all walks of life standing should-to-should to protect our most precious civil right - the right of self-defense. See you there!


To join VCDL, click here. To contribute to VCDL, click here.

To view the archives, click here.

Copyright © 2019 Virginia Citizens Defense League, All rights reserved.
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So.....they've lost the battle on the 2A in Virginia. Tazewell County is forming it's own Militia. But they're still worried about appearances in the MSM? Gotcha. Guess I'll stay home and send thoughts and prayers.
 
Dressing nice, and asking for crumbs is ok. I'm all for VCDL lobbying.

I'll be standing outside with the few thousand others that will be showing up, not wearing suit and ties.
 
BigWaylon said:
They sold 1500 in less than 24 hours. So, $15,000 to the VCDL. They’re hoping to sell at least 10,000 of them.
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They’re over 4K at this point. Josiah posted it was 4,033 at some point yesterday.
 
I keep hearing good things about the turnout. There are more and more videos popping up on YouTube and more and more counties pushing back against this.

If you’re reading this, you need to participate either in person or donating to VCDL. Bloomberg has NC in his sights. The nation is watching what happens in VA.
 
BigWaylon said:
For those that don’t get PSA emails, they released this today for a pre-order...with $10 from each one going to the VCDL.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-virginia-15-ar-15-stripped-lower-receiver.html

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And yes, that’s a previous version of the state seal edited to add an AR and NVG. :D
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I just got my driver license other day finally. Do I need a purchase order thing or whatever to transfer a lower or am I G2G ordering this to FFL now?

Any recommendations for RTP area transfers?
 
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Sigequinox220 said:
I just got my driver license other day finally. Do I need a purchase order thing or whatever to transfer a lower or am I G2G ordering this to FFL now?

Any recommendations for RTP area transfers?
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You don’t need a pistol purchase permit for one. But some FFLs don’t actually understand how to follow the laws, and will require you to have one.

Since it’s not a long gun, you have to be 21 to buy it from a dealer. But that doesn’t make it s handgun, which is when the PPP is required. If you had a CHP, it would cover you either way...and count for the NICS check. But if you just got your license I’ll assume you don’t have a CHP.

You’ll need to pick an FFL and see what their policy is. Maybe somebody here is an FFL in the RTP area and will send you a PM saying they’ll transfer it without a PPP.
 
BigWaylon said:
You don’t need a pistol purchase permit for one. But some FFLs don’t actually understand how to follow the laws, and will require you to have one.

Since it’s not a long gun, you have to be 21 to buy it from a dealer. But that doesn’t make it s handgun, which is when the PPP is required. If you had a CHP, it would cover you either way...and count for the NICS check. But if you just got your license I’ll assume you don’t have a CHP.

You’ll need to pick an FFL and see what their policy is. Maybe somebody here is an FFL in the RTP area and will send you a PM saying they’ll transfer it without a PPP.
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thanks. Correct, no CHP yet. Not really looking forward to sitting through another 8hr license class. Will just go PPP route for now if needed.
 
I don't know why anyone would trust the local law enforcement in VA at an event like this, after they basically ensured that protesters would clash in Charlottesville and apparently did not intervene to stop Antifa assaults.

Seems like a gathering would be better if held in one of the 'sanctuary' munis.
 
DurhamDad said:
I don't know why anyone would trust the local law enforcement in VA at an event like this, after they basically ensured that protesters would clash in Charlottesville and apparently did not intervene to stop Antifa assaults.

Seems like a gathering would be better if held in one of the 'sanctuary' munis.
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I think VA doesn’t want to replicate that crap show.

Having a gathering of this magnitude in a 2A friendly environment is preaching to the choir and not who needs to hear the message.
 
dorton said:
I think VA doesn’t want to replicate that crap show.

Having a gathering of this magnitude in a 2A friendly environment is preaching to the choir and not who needs to hear the message.
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And I truly hope you are right, because I don't foresee anyone backing down at this point.

I hear what you are saying about preaching to the choir, but I think a gathering that big in friendly teeritory would still send a strong message.

Most of the opposition has deaf ears anyway.
 
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Saw this on Ed's Gun Shop website today. ALSO: see VCDL.org
 
How many of you expect this to actually change anything?

I’m not trying to be a jerk, it’s an honest question.


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spittinfire said:
How many of you expect this to actually change anything?

I’m not trying to be a jerk, it’s an honest question.


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“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke
 
Saw this morning on CBS where a weapons ban had been passed for Richmond and specifically the area around the legislature.
 
spittinfire said:
How many of you expect this to actually change anything?

I’m not trying to be a jerk, it’s an honest question.


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I don’t know whats going to happen in Va. but it scares me as I hear that NC is the next state the left is going to try to take, secondly I also hear that there is a possibility that NATO troops will be called to confiscate guns in Va., foreign troops on US soil , never thought I would ever see the things that are happening politically and socially in America, I mean socialism/communism in control of our government, the dumbing down of our students and history being erased, its sickening I am afraid that a civil war is coming, now don’t misunderstand me, even though I am disabled I will not comply and I will most likely be shot by the gestapo trying to disarm me and take all our rights away, just take a good look at Va. and the laws they are trying to pass, its gonna spread nation wide unless Trump intervenes some way, I haven’t heard a word from him on Va. he did promise that we the people would never lose out 2nd amendment rights and he has lived up to most of his other promises....what ever is going to happen, its going to be soon, I pray to God that our great nation never perishes and that it remains the nation that our founding fathers envisioned a country of freedom loving, God fearing people governed by the people for the people with liberty and justice for all of its citizens and that we never become subjects of a socialist ruling class...and thats all I’ve got to say about that


When guns become outlawed,I will become an outlaw!
The fact that the government would even consider repealing the second amendment is the very reason for which it was written.
 
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https://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/01/you-cant-fix-stupid.html

Who's organizing your goat rodeo?

Why are they doing it differently than every other year before this one?

How effective is it likely to be now that you've lost the majority of your entire state government?

If you know it can't work to any good purpose, why do it?

What is the benefit of threatening your own violence at an alleged "peaceful" rally?

Why walk into a venue where you control nothing, and risk everything, when the best outcome you can hope for is that it doesn't explode in your faces, to the detriment of your purported cause, and risks injury or even death to your nominal supporters?

Why would you make your most potent national appearance a suicide mission?
 
Chaser#1 declaring protests an act of terrorism or at least setting it up to declare those that get arrested as terrorists?

HOUSE BILL NO. 1545
Offered January 10, 2020
A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding a section numbered 17.1-805.1, relating to discretionary sentencing guideline midpoints; act of domestic terrorism enhancement.
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Patron-- Samirah
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Committee Referral Pending
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Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered 17.1-805.1 as follows:

§ 17.1-805.1. Discretionary sentencing guideline midpoints; act of domestic terrorism.

A. For purposes of this section, an act of domestic terrorism includes any violation that is an act of violence as defined in § 19.2-297.1 or any felony violation of § 18.2-52, 18.2-52.1, 18.2-53, 18.2-53.1, 18.2-56.1, 18.2-57, 18.2-83, 18.2-108.1, 18.2-121, 18.2-127, 18.2-128, 18.2-138, 18.2-186.4, 18.2-279, 18.2-282, 18.2-282.1, 18.2-289, 18.2-300, 18.2-308.1, 18.2-308.2, 18.2-308.2:01, 18.2-312, 18.2-423, 18.2-423.01, 18.2-423.1, or 18.2-423.2, with the intent to (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a local, state, or federal government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) disrupt the conduct or workings of a local, state, or federal government.

B. In addition to any increases in the midpoint of an initial recommended sentencing range calculated in accordance with § 17.1-805, the midpoint of the recommended sentencing range for any act of domestic terrorism shall be further increased by 200 percent in all cases.

2. That the provisions of this act may result in a net increase in periods of imprisonment or commitment. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of imprisonment in state adult correctional facilities; therefore, Chapter 854 of the Acts of Assembly of 2019 requires the Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission to assign a minimum fiscal impact of $50,000. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of commitment to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice.
 
Chaser#2:

The VA gov is trying to quickly make every way this was planned to go illegal.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...arry-agreements-with-other-states-in-jeopardy

Ban open guns at the capital, now ban CCW reciprocity at will.

Better put a pebble in your shoe to alter your gate and a good disguise if you’re going. Also leave your phone at home...you didn’t need comms anyway did you? (Insert sarcasm)
 
Chaser#3 - obviously they’re afraid of an election recall:

Folks, this isn’t representative government, this is a tyrant dictatorship.

They are changing election laws at a fast clip as well.

https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/le...Owrdf1a-3psHUMFwx4YHbvngMO8nsTObDCFsJ2ePh2NS4

SUMMARY AS INTRODUCED:
Removal of public officers; petition requirements; signature requirements. Clarifies that the requirement that a petition for the removal of a public officer be signed under penalty of perjury applies only to the person or persons filing such petition with the circuit court. Registered voters signing the petition for purposes of reaching the required number of signatures shall not be required to sign under penalty of perjury.
The bill also increases the required number of signatures to a number of registered voters in the locality equal to 25 percent, up from 10 percent, of the total number of votes cast at the last election for the office, and requires the signatures to be collected within a 60-day period.
 
Folks, I am going to tell it like it is.

1. VCDL has done their homework. There are strong ties with County Sheriffs, Rank and File LEO and State Police that go back decades.
2. It will be interesting. Most people realize that we will be taunted and try to get us to react so they can get a picture to paint us in their narrative.
3. It is not a "Buffalo Jump". But if you really feel that Liberty or Death is the choice before you... is it worth you dying to show the tyranny afoot in VA? Most would say yes.
4. This has been organized in less than 8 weeks. From nothing... to this, including the Sanctuary Cities and the records for turnout at all of the localities. The Tyrants are paying attention... they are filing bills, yet, they are not talking bad ass the way they were in November. They are taking a wait and see approach.
5. If no one shows up... they will conclude that no one cares.

Everyone talks about Boogaloo... but when it come close to kicking off.. a bit more people are saying... Ah..it seems like a trap.. don't go... Some times the trap needs to be sprung. If it is a trap.. might as well be there to witness, survive it and tell people what happened.

I do not think there is a plan like Charlottesville. That was the Vice-Mayor, Governor and Super of VSP. The new Super of VSP, will not stand down their people. If blood will be split, it will be due to the libtards, leftist and Government Partisans.... if they didn't push to outlaw liberties in the first place.. this wouldn't be happening. And we have a fairly strong intel system in place that lets us know things that most don't. If there was a trap being laid, sources are compromised and I would not want to be one of the "patriot turned pussy" if something were to happen.

Sooner of later.. it is time for US to protest. Lord knows all the wrong ones have been doing it for 50 years.
 
noway2 said:
Chaser#1 declaring protests an act of terrorism or at least setting it up to declare those that get arrested as terrorists?

HOUSE BILL NO. 1545
Offered January 10, 2020
A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding a section numbered 17.1-805.1, relating to discretionary sentencing guideline midpoints; act of domestic terrorism enhancement.
----------
Patron-- Samirah
----------
Committee Referral Pending
----------
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered 17.1-805.1 as follows:

§ 17.1-805.1. Discretionary sentencing guideline midpoints; act of domestic terrorism.

A. For purposes of this section, an act of domestic terrorism includes any violation that is an act of violence as defined in § 19.2-297.1 or any felony violation of § 18.2-52, 18.2-52.1, 18.2-53, 18.2-53.1, 18.2-56.1, 18.2-57, 18.2-83, 18.2-108.1, 18.2-121, 18.2-127, 18.2-128, 18.2-138, 18.2-186.4, 18.2-279, 18.2-282, 18.2-282.1, 18.2-289, 18.2-300, 18.2-308.1, 18.2-308.2, 18.2-308.2:01, 18.2-312, 18.2-423, 18.2-423.01, 18.2-423.1, or 18.2-423.2, with the intent to (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a local, state, or federal government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) disrupt the conduct or workings of a local, state, or federal government.

B. In addition to any increases in the midpoint of an initial recommended sentencing range calculated in accordance with § 17.1-805, the midpoint of the recommended sentencing range for any act of domestic terrorism shall be further increased by 200 percent in all cases.

2. That the provisions of this act may result in a net increase in periods of imprisonment or commitment. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of imprisonment in state adult correctional facilities; therefore, Chapter 854 of the Acts of Assembly of 2019 requires the Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission to assign a minimum fiscal impact of $50,000. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of commitment to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice.
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They've just outlawed your right to peaceful assembly! Well, proposed to outlaw your right. What else is a march or a protest but to try to coerce your government into hearing your side? I'm sure intimidation was thrown in there for good measure. After all, if one person is upset by your protest then clearly you're intimidating people.

I'm trying not to make this a knee jerk reaction to that but how awesome would it be to see 100,000 ARMED people walk into the center of Richmond? I don't want it to go sideways but if it does then it does. If this passes how much of the Bill of Rights is left?
 
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