Yet another reason not to trust anything coming out of Cambridge U?

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"The prevalence of tattoos is higher among people with mental disorders and those likely to come in contact with mental health services. The motivations for acquiring a tattoo are varied and tattoos can give clues to the presence of particular psychiatric conditions and to the inner world of patients. Psychiatrists need to be aware of the health and safety issues surrounding the tattooing procedure and be able to give appropriate advice to their patients if they wish to acquire a tattoo. The issue of capacity must be considered. This may be particularly relevant for clinicians working with adolescents, the most common age group for acquiring tattoos. Owing to the high proportion of adults who subsequently regret their tattoos and the associated psychological and social distress, clinicians should be aware of methods of tattoo removal."


https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...ignificance/D2C57CCCA55C75378A8804FAF55147E2#

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I'm not sure that I would disagree with this. I have a couple of tattoos and I'll readily admit that I have some mental issues that lead to them. We all have mental issues though. It doesn't necessarily mean a crippling mental disease, simply a disorder.

Anyone who joins the Corps has a mental disorder. You have to, to subject yourself to that, and those of us that thrived in it even more so. For me this is an anticlimactic study. Sort of a so what, I kinda always figured that and sort of knew it moment.

I think net result of their study is a product of the everyone needs a trophy, a safespace and therapy however. No one wants to take ownership of their decisions "Owing to the high proportion of adults who subsequently regret their tattoos and the associated psychological and social distress, clinicians should be aware of methods of tattoo removal"?????

Jesus people, own what you did and own your mental disorder and learn to work with it.
 
Chdamn said:
I'm not sure that I would disagree with this. I have a couple of tattoos and I'll readily admit that I have some mental issues that lead to them. We all have mental issues though. It doesn't necessarily mean a crippling mental disease, simply a disorder.

Anyone who joins the Corps has a mental disorder. You have to, to subject yourself to that, and those of us that thrived in it even more so. For me this is an anticlimactic study. Sort of a so what, I kinda always figured that and sort of knew it moment.

I think net result of their study is a product of the everyone needs a trophy, a safespace and therapy however. No one wants to take ownership of their decisions "Owing to the high proportion of adults who subsequently regret their tattoos and the associated psychological and social distress, clinicians should be aware of methods of tattoo removal"?????

Jesus people, own what you did and own your mental disorder and learn to work with it.
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Actually, mine was issued to me at Parris Island 'cause I'm SURE I didn't have one before then. :rolleyes:
 
Chdamn said:
I'm not sure that I would disagree with this. I have a couple of tattoos and I'll readily admit that I have some mental issues that lead to them. We all have mental issues though. It doesn't necessarily mean a crippling mental disease, simply a disorder.
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This ^^^
my tattoo was low self esteem + trying to fit in + tequila
 
Bailey Boat said:
I guess low self esteem would be considered a mental disorder?? I have always thought a tattoo was a cry to "look at me, look at me"....
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In some respects, maybe. Until the last 15-20 years the majority of tattooed folks were bikers, vets & convicts- folks who were typically bent, broken, outcast, or had undergone some profound change. As both a biker & a vet, there's definitely a "look at me" factor, but it's also a way to identify others of your tribe. For some it becomes both a way to tell your story, as well as a way to exorcise some of your own personal darkness. Nowadays, though it's just more socially acceptable. The same guys who've always gotten tattoos still do, but there's a whole lot of folks who just love the art.

I'd hafta say @Chdamn has the right of it, at least as far as my experience. We're all broken in some way. Own it, shift fire & move TFO.

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ETA- I don't regret a single damned one of them & that's just my right sleeve.
 
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Crazy Carl said:
In some respects, maybe. Until the last 15-20 years the majority of tattooed folks were bikers, vets & convicts- folks who were typically bent, broken, outcast, or had undergone some profound change. As both a biker & a vet, there's definitely a "look at me" factor, but it's also a way to identify others of your tribe. For some it becomes both a way to tell your story, as well as a way to exorcise some of your own personal darkness. Nowadays, though it's just more socially acceptable. The same guys who've always gotten tattoos still do, but there's a whole lot of folks who just love the art.

I'd hafta say @Chdamn has the right of it, at least as far as my experience. We're all broken in some way. Own it, shift fire & move TFO.

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ETA- I don't regret a single damned one of them & that's just my right sleeve.
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Sweet looking Rat Fink!!!!
 
Few caveats....

The primary author (Vivek Kosla) is affiliated with Oxford Health NHS Foundation Trust, not The University of Cambridge...This was just republished 2010 research from another journal into Cambridge U Press' online open source journals (one of U Cambridge academic Journals/publishers).

Anyway, from what I gather the Oxford Health NHS sounds like the healthcare/medical center arm of Oxford University. Not known for putting out low quality research nor lax peer review in either case. Understand there is a difference between the authors conclusion 'The prevalence of tattoos is higher among people with mental disorders and those likely to come in contact with mental health services." and you're interpretation, which implies the author claimed tattooed people have mental problems is a huge conflation of the results.

I believe there are numerous papers with similar statistical outcomes for tobacco users among other outcomes. Association has important implications for medication, but at no point are researchers insinuating it is the CAUSE of the problem. I would imagine the cause of the higher prevalence in tattooed folks or smokers etc, has something more to do with neurological and psychological aspects of impulsive behavior and less concern for long term consequences/risk taking/industrious type behavior. The latter of which, evidence has shown being a mechanism OF driving disorders etc. In fact, I have seen similar prevalence 'associations' with executives and CEOs as well.
 
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I dont trust anything, or ANYONE from Massachusetts, especially if they post multiple threads about bowling.
 
HMP said:
I dont trust anything, or ANYONE from Massachusetts, especially if they post multiple threads about bowling.
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this may be reference to something totally over my head, but if talking about the study author and “Cambridge U press” that is a publishing unit of University of Cambridge, which is in UK, not Cambridge Massachusetts.

...interesting Snapple fact (is that still a thing?) is that Cambridge U press has been in existence longer than USA has been a country.
 
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What does it mean if all your tattoos were done by yourself and friends with a gun made out of string and a hair dryer motor?

I'll admit one of mine was a swastika. Not because I had strong feelings about racial purity, but because I wanted society to know I hated them as much as they hated me. It has since been made into a meaningless symbol.

Why is endless myopic navel gazing so popular? Hell, I'm trapped in my own head all day, why would I need more impetus to ponder self?
 
honestly, who doesn't have some kind of mental issue? so cancer patients that get their heads tattooed because their hair won't grow back are severe mental cases for that? GFY Cambridge. No one cares about you.
 
Still an ancient & time honored tradition, even if typically enjoyed/practiced among those on the fringes of society. Mental illness? Bring it, MFer. I got issues that would break most others' minds. I do what I do & others' opinions be damned. I provide well for my family & deal with my demons on my own time. I ain't tryin' to freak out the squares per se, but if the pictures on my skin are the most traumatic thing you've seen in a while, consider yourself fortunate.
 
Crazy Carl said:
Still an ancient & time honored tradition, even if typically enjoyed/practiced among those on the fringes of society. Mental illness? Bring it, MFer. I got issues that would break most others' minds. I do what I do & others' opinions be damned. I provide well for my family & deal with my demons on my own time. I ain't tryin' to freak out the squares per se, but if the pictures on my skin are the most traumatic thing you've seen in a while, consider yourself fortunate.
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A-Fing-men...
 
Sigequinox220 said:
this may be reference to something totally over my head, but if talking about the study author and “Cambridge U press” that is a publishing unit of University of Cambridge, which is in UK, not Cambridge Massachusetts.

...interesting Snapple fact (is that still a thing?) is that Cambridge U press has been in existence longer than USA has been a country.
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dang, wasnt even thinking about that, was thinking Cambridge Mass
 
Matt.Cross said:
I'd say that's highly unlikely.
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lol ok

What if someone has one tattoo. And it's hidden, they did it for themselves and not to show off.
And when I say 'hidden' I mean they could strip down naked and still not be visible.
That's one example. Some people just really enjoy them, it's not about drawing attention to themselves
But, yeah, you right, it's all an attention thing...
 
6AB4F512-0DED-4EFD-A283-9D6AF927C74B.jpeg Personally,
I love the art form.
Especially the new and amazing work some artists are doing.
I am a vet, I do rock full sleeves, so what?
That does not mean I have a mental disorder.

I am a frequent contributor, and moderator of this forum, so what?
That probably does mean I have a mental disorder.
 
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I think it is safe to say that everybody has some mental 'disorder' (disorder being anything that isn't 100% optimized or efficient) or demons linked to some past trauma in their life, as well some basic chemical imbalances that are going to be intrinsic to any biological organism.

The problem is the folks that don't have enough self awareness to know what is wrong with themselves.
 
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HMP said:
I dont trust anything, or ANYONE from Massachusetts, especially if they post multiple threads about bowling.
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I'm actually a New Hampshire native. Landed in MA after I served 4 years in the USAF. [emoji6][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]
As for bowling, it is the number 1 participation sport in the country. [emoji41]

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HMP said:
lol ok

What if someone has one tattoo. And it's hidden, they did it for themselves and not to show off.
And when I say 'hidden' I mean they could strip down naked and still not be visible.
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It's a visual image, it calls for attention by default. The size, location, and target audience do not override the fact that it's designed for visual attention.

HMP said:
That's one example. Some people just really enjoy them, it's not about drawing attention to themselves
But, yeah, you right, it's all an attention thing...
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I'm not saying or implying that gaining attention is the exclusive purpose of a tattoo, it's clear that there's a camaraderie to having them. Nobody said that's exclusively the purpose, but it's inherently their nature to draw attention, that's just common sense.
 
Bailey Boat said:
I guess low self esteem would be considered a mental disorder?? I have always thought a tattoo was a cry to "look at me, look at me"....
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Yeah...dumbest thing I have read in a while...most people get tattoos that are easily concealed. There are a very few people who get them in a "HEY LOOK AT ME!" frame of mind...but there are also Boomers who are still convinced they know everything about everything.
 
A friend of mine had snakeeyes tattooed on the head of his dick, his nickname was Rabbit and that was from another tattoo that I'm not going to attempt to describe. He was more than glad to show them to anybody that asked, former Navy squids are like that.
 
B00ger said:
but there are also Boomers who are still convinced they know everything about everything.
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Ya know @B00ger 6 months ago that comment would have probably pissed me off and I would have shot back with something equally childish and stupid. But something happened back in June when a past client called and asked me to deliver a motivational talk that he heard back in the early 2000’s when I was much more active in speaking, and he wanted his entire staff to hear it when they were gathered for their semiannual meeting.


It took me some time to find it and I had to go to an older computer, but I located it. While I was reviewing it you came to mind, it’s entitled, “Looking beneath the surface”. It deals with looking beyond the obvious into the depth of the real problem and how to interpret what you find. I applied that logic to you and the countless childish comments and remarks that you have made toward me in the past. Here’s what I derived from that outlook.


You have a deep-seated need to attempt to make yourself bigger/more important than others around you and in order to do that you feel that they should be somehow made to appear smaller, less important than you. In doing so you have basically become a legend in your own mind, you have lost grip with reality and fail to see yourself for what you really are. Basically, you are a person that has reached the peak of your life, both personally and professionally. Due to whatever circumstances life has given you it will always remain the same, never gets any better and that makes you bitter. There is nothing you can do about it, again because of some circumstances yet you refuse to admit and deal with it. When you lash out at others like me it only fans the ember and encourages you to go farther with your behavior. Something that seems to really bother you is when someone with much more life experience than you express an opinion or makes a statement that is contradictory to your outlook.


Like everyone else you have the right of an opinion, but you seem to be very derogatory and frustrated in your attempt to express it. Please don’t take anything I have said as a personal attack, simply observations.
 
Bailey Boat said:
Ya know @B00ger 6 months ago that comment would have probably pissed me off and I would have shot back with something equally childish and stupid. But something happened back in June when a past client called and asked me to deliver a motivational talk that he heard back in the early 2000’s when I was much more active in speaking, and he wanted his entire staff to hear it when they were gathered for their semiannual meeting.


It took me some time to find it and I had to go to an older computer, but I located it. While I was reviewing it you came to mind, it’s entitled, “Looking beneath the surface”. It deals with looking beyond the obvious into the depth of the real problem and how to interpret what you find. I applied that logic to you and the countless childish comments and remarks that you have made toward me in the past. Here’s what I derived from that outlook.


You have a deep-seated need to attempt to make yourself bigger/more important than others around you and in order to do that you feel that they should be somehow made to appear smaller, less important than you. In doing so you have basically become a legend in your own mind, you have lost grip with reality and fail to see yourself for what you really are. Basically, you are a person that has reached the peak of your life, both personally and professionally. Due to whatever circumstances life has given you it will always remain the same, never gets any better and that makes you bitter. There is nothing you can do about it, again because of some circumstances yet you refuse to admit and deal with it. When you lash out at others like me it only fans the ember and encourages you to go farther with your behavior. Something that seems to really bother you is when someone with much more life experience than you express an opinion or makes a statement that is contradictory to your outlook.


Like everyone else you have the right of an opinion, but you seem to be very derogatory and frustrated in your attempt to express it. Please don’t take anything I have said as a personal attack, simply observations.
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Im not the one claiming that anyone with a tattoo is trying to get attention and constantly claiming to be an arbiter of absolute truth. So apply your article to yourself and realize that your specific world view is not always correct and, in fact, sometimes downright wrong. You only notice any "derogatory" nature to my posts because you also are seeking to find it, and find it you have.

As far as "reaching the peak of my life", I would certainly be happy if this was it...but it continues to get better. 4 happy and healthy kids. one preparing to be adopted, a wonderful wife, I have an awesome job with people who I get along with and enjoy spending time with. I have gone from the worst shape of my life to the best physical shape of my life within the past two years. I have more friends now than I have ever before. So if this >is< the peak, then cool, I am happy with it.

My personal angst towards you, as has been mentioned is you have a singular "old codger" way of looking at many things. This example with tattoos is just another example. You make a bold claim about the reason certain people get tattoos, which is not only patently false, but ignorant. You got called out on it and instead of thinking "You know, maybe I don't know everything about the world and society" you try to reach back towards me and attack me by reciting some dribble about me being at my peak and trying to make you look bad.

I am sure you are probably a decent guy in person, you probably are convinced of it at least. But the truth is you do come across as a bitter and angry old man that refuses to see the world outside of your own narrow cross section and anyone that disagrees with you is personally attacking you.

I hope you have a happy, and productive new year.
 
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premise said:
I think it is safe to say that everybody has some mental 'disorder' (disorder being anything that isn't 100% optimized or efficient) or demons linked to some past trauma in their life, as well some basic chemical imbalances that are going to be intrinsic to any biological organism.

The problem is the folks that don't have enough self awareness to know what is wrong with themselves.
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This. Too many folks running around reacting to their demons, running around crashing into stuff/people & not enough being proactive & working on compensating for/working around/exorcising said demons. I am acutely, painfully self aware & have been frantically trying to throw my 'baggage' off the train for over 30 years. There is a huge cauldron of rage/hate/pain/loss/fear/betrayal bubbling beneath my surface that I know will kill me if I can't learn to control or at least mitigate it. None of that is my wife's or daughter's fault, nor my coworkers' & I do my level best not to inflict any of that on them. Was a time, I was much more scared of living than I was of dying & I'm doing my best to not go back there.

I've found as I've gotten older that transferring some of those emotions & images to my skin helps to close the book on certain things & cuts down on the number of voices yammering angrily inside my head.
 
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