Tragic Hunting Accident: Father and Daughter Killed in SC

Yes it's true. And yes they are idiots if they do that.

But I can personally attest to hunter orange not being all that visible in the woods. The report I saw said they did not know if they were wearing it or not. But I was hunting as a kid on Gamelands. Heard a bunch on noise and saw movement. Was not experienced enough to realize a lot of noise is almost never a deer. I got my rifle up and was holding at the end of the rhododendron thicket in the gully waiting for something to appear. That's when I guy walked out with a full blaze orange jacket on that I could not see until he got out of that thicket. And I had a bead on him with a 30-30. Spooked me pretty good. And the guy never even knew I was up on the ridge.
 
I have a friend whose shoulder was pretty much blown out and reconstructed because some featherbrain shot at "movement."
 
Mandatory Hunter Orange laws train idiots to shoot at sounds just as surely as Pedestrians Have the Right of Way laws train idiots to step out into traffic in front of moving vehicles.

If you're hunting deer, refrain from shooting until you see deer. Sometimes you even have to wait until you see antlers. It's not such a difficult concept.

No excuses.
 
Makes me sick...Nothing accidental about this...and it happens every season in states with head to toe hunter orange requirements and states that only require a orange hat or vest. It happen a few years ago here on Bragg when a hunter shot a guy that was jogging on the All American Trail.

The men who shot them had no sight picture, they could not completely see what they were shooting at, but yet went through the very deliberate act of squeezing the trigger...that is not an accident, it is a deliberate, thought through action.
 
chiefjason said:
Yes it's true. And yes they are idiots if they do that.

But I can personally attest to hunter orange not being all that visible in the woods. The report I saw said they did not know if they were wearing it or not. But I was hunting as a kid on Gamelands. Heard a bunch on noise and saw movement. Was not experienced enough to realize a lot of noise is almost never a deer. I got my rifle up and was holding at the end of the rhododendron thicket in the gully waiting for something to appear. That's when I guy walked out with a full blaze orange jacket on that I could not see until he got out of that thicket. And I had a bead on him with a 30-30. Spooked me pretty good. And the guy never even knew I was up on the ridge.
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It wasn't a deer so you didn't shoot it. That sounds scary but you didn't do what these idiots did. Your experience is exactly what should happen and you were an inexperienced kid to boot. No excuses.

There's been times where I could see some sort of body but couldn't see enough to be 100% sure that particular animal was a deer (though 99.9% sure not human). Those likely deer lived to see another day.
 
The comments in that link were awful. The shooting was also most likely with buckshot. While their actions are inexcusable, I have been involved in several man drives and when deer blow up in front of you the adrenalin really gets going. I can see some people lose sight of what is "beyond" the target especially on 4th 5th heck even 10th shot (guys put the +5 tubes on them). I seen a man actually shoot a truck as a deer ran past it. You never know who else is in the woods with you, there is simply no way to know. Prayers sent to everyone involved.
 
Maybe I need to rethink my recent interest in learning how to hunt?

But I'll still take my safety class next week.
 
I don’t see how people are ok shooting at movement. There are plenty of places to shoot a deer that will not result in a quick kill. I wait for not just a view of the animal but also for a good shot. Even if it was an animal, a shot at movement is not acceptable.
 
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It wasn't a deer so you didn't shoot it. That sounds scary but you didn't do what these idiots did. Your experience is exactly what should happen and you were an inexperienced kid to boot. No excuses.

There's been times where I could see some sort of body but couldn't see enough to be 100% sure that particular animal was a deer (though 99.9% sure not human). Those likely deer lived to see another day.
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I bring up that story when this stuff happens to point out that orange is not the cure all. The cure is on the shooters side, not the other hunters side.
 
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I can't image what that family and those who shot them are going through right now.
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Hopefully the ones who shot them are suicidally depressed. Absolutely moronic behavior and a violation of at least 3 prinary rules of the gun. As a still hunter, these a holes are always a threat.
 
I have a friend that was shot in the heel with a 30.06 & it cost him his foot. They caught the trespasser that did it.
 
Absolutely no excuse. This should be a manslaughter charge at the very least, and have their hunting licenses permanently revoked. Idiots like this don't need to be in the woods, much less with a gun.

I am going to disagree with those who don't think blaze orange does any good, though. If someone is in a thicket where they can't be seen and some damn fool is stupid enough to shoot at the noise, no, it's not going to do you any good. You can't fix stupid. On the other hand, I have been able to spot the movement of orange at a pretty good distance though relatively open woods, and have waved my orange hat at the other guy to let him know where I was. Not a cure all for sure, but since if we are not hunting in a controlled area we have no idea who the other guy might be, every little bit helps.
 
The only thing I’ve ever hunted is squirrels ruining my house. Even from those little cat and mouse games, I can feel the adrenaline pump when I’m chasing one around. But I always, ALWAYS have a clear shot and a clear background before shooting.

As a non-“real” hunter, I don’t understand how this happens. Why the crap would you discharge a gun at a moving shrub?!?! I wouldn’t do that with a pellet rifle, nevermind a firearm.
 
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Absolutely no excuse. This should be a manslaughter charge at the very least, and have their hunting licenses permanently revoked. Idiots like this don't need to be in the woods, much less with a gun.

I am going to disagree with those who don't think blaze orange does any good, though. If someone is in a thicket where they can't be seen and some damn fool is stupid enough to shoot at the noise, no, it's not going to do you any good. You can't fix stupid. On the other hand, I have been able to spot the movement of orange at a pretty good distance though relatively open woods, and have waved my orange hat at the other guy to let him know where I was. Not a cure all for sure, but since if we are not hunting in a controlled area we have no idea who the other guy might be, every little bit helps.
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it probably is prosecuted as manslaughter in many cases. Its a negligent homicide. Depending on the homicide spectrum of a given state, there will be some classification to pursue.

Honestly, I feel like majority of 'hunting' accidents are probably straight up murder. Not in this case necessarily, but it happens too much to be explained solely by stupidity. I would place my bet on many such incidents being the result of psychopathy and wife banging the milkman...or maybe the amazon delivery guy is more appropriate placeholder today than milkman.
 
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it probably is prosecuted as manslaughter in many cases. Its a negligent homicide. Depending on the homicide spectrum of a given state, there will be some classification to pursue.

Honestly, I feel like majority of 'hunting' accidents are probably straight up murder. Not in this case necessarily, but it happens too much to be explained solely by stupidity. I would place my bet on many such incidents being the result of psychopathy and wife banging the milkman...or maybe the amazon delivery guy is more appropriate placeholder today than milkman.
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I know too many people that hunt because killing people is generally illegal. So yeh, I can see straight up murder for some people.
 
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The comments in that link were awful. The shooting was also most likely with buckshot. While their actions are inexcusable, I have been involved in several man drives and when deer blow up in front of you the adrenalin really gets going. I can see some people lose sight of what is "beyond" the target especially on 4th 5th heck even 10th shot (guys put the +5 tubes on them). I seen a man actually shoot a truck as a deer ran past it. You never know who else is in the woods with you, there is simply no way to know. Prayers sent to everyone involved.
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I figured he put two shells of 00 buck into the movement. The people who own the neighboring property to where I hunt do nothing but dog drive. If I hear them, my day is done. I found a dead doe behind my stand once earlier in the 19 season...she was peppered with shot; they’d blasted her on the run and wounded her badly but I’d warned them last year about coming on the land so I guess they didn’t pursue her. They treated my lease like their own if they thought no one was there and I spooked them as they entered one of my trails I was standing there with my suppressed AR waiting on them.

What were the comments like, bad in what way? I’m not downloading the Apple news app to open the link...just curious
 
Doing drives is extremely dangerous and should not be done without the absolute certainty of the whereabouts of every person/ house/vehicle in the area. Even that is not enough if those designated as shooters are not very experienced in target acquisition and no fire zone recognition. Sadly two deaths that could have been prevented is the result, may they rest in peace.
 
Again from the non-hunter peanut gallery: short of exterminating pests (i.e. hogs and yotes), driving animals seems incredibly unsportsmanlike. No one today relies upon hunting herds of buffalo to make the winter’s meat like the damn indians. Stalk and kill the animal fair. Don’t cheat.
 
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I figured he put two shells of 00 buck into the movement. The people who own the neighboring property to where I hunt do nothing but dog drive. If I hear them, my day is done. I found a dead doe behind my stand once earlier in the 19 season...she was peppered with shot; they’d blasted her on the run and wounded her badly but I’d warned them last year about coming on the land so I guess they didn’t pursue her. They treated my lease like their own if they thought no one was there and I spooked them as they entered one of my trails I was standing there with my suppressed AR waiting on them.

What were the comments like, bad in what way? I’m not downloading the Apple news app to open the link...just curious
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Saying SC hunters are drunk rednecks with assualt rifles and telescopic sights zooming in on people and pets and blasting away. Just basically ignorant people who do not or have not had any experience hunting really thick heads and lowlands spewing nonsense. Some areas are just so thick you would never see any deer if you did not walk through the areas. I have never personally killed a deer with a shotgun (despite years of drives) but several clubs I have been involved with would always do a man drive on new years day and I would always be involved for the comraderie. Got out of the club thing a few years ago due to alot of stupidity. Never seen anyone hurt but they were always very organized. It's just a dang deer, people need to calm down and realize that.
 
My little girl is just over 8 years old....not really all that much younger than the little girl killed in the story.

Damn, man. Just damn. Shit like this makes me want to wake her up to give her a hug and just hold her for a while.

I cannot even begin to imagine.
 
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9outof10mms said:
Again from the non-hunter peanut gallery: short of exterminating pests (i.e. hogs and yotes), driving animals seems incredibly unsportsmanlike. No one today relies upon hunting herds of buffalo to make the winter’s meat like the damn indians. Stalk and kill the animal fair. Don’t cheat.
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An organized drive is far from cheating. If you have never hunted low country swamps and thickets it may not be clear, but in some of those places you can't see 10' in front of you. By this late in the season the only time deer are moving is after dark. The rest of the time they are holed up in the thickest, most briar infested and impenetrable places they can find. The only way you are going to get them up and moving is either with dogs (which have their own sets of problems, like not understanding property lines and no trespassing signs. See @11B CIB 's post above.) or to organize some kind of a drive, but if you are going to do that you had better be working with experienced hunters who know what they are shooting at.

Personally I would rather sit in one of my stands on the back side of our farm where I know who is around and see what wanders by. Heck, this time of year I would rather be in a duck swamp somewhere anyway.
 
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11B CIB said:
I figured he put two shells of 00 buck into the movement. The people who own the neighboring property to where I hunt do nothing but dog drive. If I hear them, my day is done. I found a dead doe behind my stand once earlier in the 19 season...she was peppered with shot; they’d blasted her on the run and wounded her badly but I’d warned them last year about coming on the land so I guess they didn’t pursue her. They treated my lease like their own if they thought no one was there and I spooked them as they entered one of my trails I was standing there with my suppressed AR waiting on them.

What were the comments like, bad in what way? I’m not downloading the Apple news app to open the link...just curious
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One of the Twitter posts was about how the dad and little girl essentially deserved it for hunting. People are absolutely warped.
 
premise said:
One of the Twitter posts was about how the dad and little girl essentially deserved it for hunting. People are absolutely warped.
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SPM said:
The internet has allowed humanity to indulge in being absolutely inhumane without much in the way of real consequences.
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I'd pay an assault fine to slap the person that said those things......
 
I am fortunate enough to be able to hunt on a large plot of private land. Usually about 25 feet up the tree in my stand. When I leave the woods I sing, and if it's dark I sing while waving a flashlight and have a red flashing light on the back of my hat. My heart is broken for that husband father little girl and their family.
 
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My heart aches for their family and loved ones...So tragic. I can’t begin
to imagine what they must be going thru. I just pray that God gives them the grace to endure thru this...
 
Having lost a child, I will say that I somewhat envy this father. He will not go to bed every night or wake every morning thinking about what he lost.
 
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No one today relies upon hunting herds of buffalo to make the winter’s meat like the damn indians. Stalk and kill the animal fair. Don’t cheat.
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Nah this is not actually true.I still depend on the meat to feed my family.

There is nothing wrong with drives when they are thought out and done properly.

And by the way, hunting is not a sport.
 
kcult said:
Having lost a child, I will say that I somewhat envy this father. He will not go to bed every night or wake every morning thing about what he lost.
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Bless you Brother. I can't shake this for some reason......we talked it out today....just awful....awful...…..
 
Tailhunter said:
Nah this is not actually true.I still depend on the meat to feed my family.

There is nothing wrong with drives when they are thought out and done properly.

And by the way, hunting is not a sport.
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I was drawing on visions of Dances With Wolves where a herd is rounded up and shot, then the whole tribe lives off the big/numerous kill for many months. That’s where my vision of a “drive” hunt was going.

Yeah...I know...a little dramatic.
 
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