VA anti’s gain ground

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Poor effort by the NRA in HQ based VA.

I feel like this is such an important note in your post. Virginia is the NRA's home. That is where they are from. Virginia should be where they fight the hardest because that is where the NRA's identity lies. They've got a lot of work to do to maintain their image here. This is not a good position for anyone to be in, but especially them, as losing Virginia will break their credibility on both sides.
 
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Virginia is the NRA's home. That is where they are from. Virginia should be where they fight the hardest because that is where the NRA's identity lies.
The American Motorcyclist Association is based in Ohio.
And like guns, everybody hates motorcycles too.
But they've gotten a crap-ton of biker friendly laws passed in Ohio, most visibly no helmets, which pisses cage drivers off to no ends.
Maybe the NRA should call them and ask how it's done.
 
NRA and other groups have to pick battles they can win.
No can do in NJ or CA until responsible people are elected to replace those who are Anti RTKBA.
 
I know the NRA isn't very popular around here, but what, exactly, would you have them do? None of these proposals have passed, and frankly, the people are doing a better job arguing against it than the NRA could. The local organization is drumming up crazy levels of support, as should be, since it's a state issue. The laws are going to pass. Now, if NRAILA doesn't step in after that, it's telling, but until then, what, really, can they do?

For that matter, what is GOA doing? Granted, I don't follow NRA OR GOA, but I haven't seen anything from them in the news either.
 
Recommendation?

Voting doesn't work because neither party does anything that their constituents want, only what the elected want. Letters, emails, phone calls, protests, marches....whatever else you want to do, doesn't appear to be working either. Refusing to comply is always an option but at some point you might have to face the authorities which leads you back to the revolt unless you want to roll over. We've reached a point where I don't feel there is a good option because I don't want to fight but I don't want to roll over either so other than an outright revolt, no.

There is a reason these people seek office that pays nothing.

NC Senate = $14k/year
VA Senate = $18k/year
US Senate = $174k/year

Yet they all end up multi-millionaires off the backs of the common man and the BS laws they create. They aren't going to change the corrupt gravy train they've created for themselves.

I really wish I could be more positive that this.
 
The American Motorcyclist Association is based in Ohio.
And like guns, everybody hates motorcycles too.
But they've gotten a crap-ton of biker friendly laws passed in Ohio, most visibly no helmets, which pisses cage drivers off to no ends.
Maybe the NRA should call them and ask how it's done.
Why would anyone driving a car care if you bounce your naked gourd of a guardrail or not?
 
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Nothing good has come out of the VA legislature. Several restrictive measures have been sent out of committee. Word is the Dems ignored rules and procedures to stomp on the opposition.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&ved=2ahUKEwihkv7GxYPnAhWkp1kKHcEyA_gQFjAMegQIAhAB&url=https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Senate-committee-strikes-assault-weapons-bill-advances-other-proposed-gun-laws-566941011.html&usg=AOvVaw2iSMg-GtW7WrXHWg3N0is3


Poor effort by the NRA in HQ based VA.

How long before this gets here?


North Carolina is on the brink of being a yankee state my friend. South Carolina is next. The libs already control the coastline.
 
Might not be able to save Virginia, but at least this has gomers like us in the rest of the country sitting up and paying attention.
 
Apparently the governor will be implementing an emergency ban of all firearms due to a credible threat of violence.

Funny how that works. Create a violent leftist ANTIFA, claim a threat against violence, bus them in.

Either they instigate violence and you are proven right, or your opponents back down and your ban “prevented the violence”.
 
Apparently the governor will be implementing an emergency ban of all firearms due to a credible threat of violence.

Funny how that works. Create a violent leftist ANTIFA, claim a threat against violence, bus them in.

Either they instigate violence and you are proven right, or your opponents back down and your ban “prevented the violence”.


Ban of firearms where? What area can you longer enter with a firearm?

Want to make sure this isn’t something new from what they did last Friday.


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Has any of the legislation been voted on and passed, signed into law? Or is all this just poo slinging and see what sticks?
 
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
 
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Well there is one solution:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...e-virginias-2a-sanctuary-counties-to-join-wv/

Just slice off NoVa and be done with their BS.



But doesn't look like drastic measures are required..... like becoming part of the state that invented the 'toothbrush' lol

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...confiscation-after-1000s-of-nra-members-show/
They will just try and change the rules to fit their agenda. I am sick of the King and his proclamations - take them all and put them where the sun don't shine.
 
Might not be able to save Virginia, but at least this has gomers like us in the rest of the country sitting up and paying attention.

Sadly that is the attitude Virginia had after Connecticut, New York, California, etc. It is coming, everywhere. The majority that scream “Water the Tree”, will never do anything. It reminds me of the “when they came for semi-autos, nobody stood for me...etc. We have serious issues standing together. I hope I am wrong and people come in full force with civil disobedience or whatever else it takes, but I don’t know if people will.
 
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How about all of us tax cattle, normal, right leaning gun owners just not work for a month? Watch all these dumbass leaches, liberals, and public "servants" crumble when their host decides not to give any more blood.
 
NSSF guy on Tucker FOX tonight, he says the goal is to shutdown the NRA indoor range.
There is another range in Manassas, VA that has 14,000 visitors a month.
If a range is in violation of the proposed law, $100,000 fine for each violation.
 
How about all of us tax cattle, normal, right leaning gun owners just not work for a month? Watch all these dumbass leaches, liberals, and public "servants" crumble when their host decides not to give any more blood.

I would love to see this happen or if we all just refused to pay our income taxes.
 
I would love to see this happen or if we all just refused to pay our income taxes.

Not just that. I have a strong belief that us right leaning folks are the people that build, create, sustain, and maintain every last facet of these moron's lives. That cushy job teaching women's studies won't do much for the lights, water, shelter, and all their other consumer needs. The inner city libs can't live without what we create and the inner city chaff and low com denom public employees can't live without our tax dollars. They couldn't last 2 weeks.
 
I’m ready for someone to go full smart-ass on TPTB in VA...


“What do you intend to do with the weapons you confiscate? Sell them to the cartels? Hell...Uncle Sam did it, so what’s to stop a state from doing it?”
 
Why would anyone driving a car care if you bounce your naked gourd of a guardrail or not?

Because the people who pay for private insurance are picking up the extra cost when the neurosurgeon is picking pieces of road debris out of their brains because by not wearing a helmet an avg spill turned into a life changing brain injury. Anyone who has worked a reasonable length of time in a level 1 trauma center in a state without a helmet law will attest to the increased severity of head injuries. Lots of people who have spent their careers in ERs refer to motorcycle riders as "organ donors".

I am all for allowing people to forgo wearing a helmet but they also should be taking on the additional risk associated with that choice in the form of higher motorcycle and health insurance premiums to partially offset the higher risk.

As to the NRA they can pound sand. They have not been in the gun rights business for a long time. They have been in the self enrichment and and self dealing business instead. They have duped too much of the pro gun world into believing that they are effect while lining their pockets with money at the expense of peoples rights.
 
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Not just that. I have a strong belief that us right leaning folks are the people that build, create, sustain, and maintain every last facet of these moron's lives. That cushy job teaching women's studies won't do much for the lights, water, shelter, and all their other consumer needs. The inner city libs can't live without what we create and the inner city chaff and low com denom public employees can't live without our tax dollars. They couldn't last 2 weeks.
Wasn't there a book about the creators and producers going on strike?
 
Because the people who pay for private insurance are picking up the extra cost
*sigh*
This has been disproved so many times over decades I can't even begin to count. Even the insurers themselves agree.
Motorcycle riders are not increasing your cost or ability to acquire insurance in any way shape or form. Matter of fact, cage driving insurance rates have plummeted downward while motorcycle ownership has exploded in popularity. The overwhelming largest threat to a motorcyclist's safety comes not from personal decisions, but instead from you and your cell phone stabbing/french fry eating/radio effin/child slapping/book reading/makeup installing/beer drinking/ car driving self.

Your position is popular with haters. The freedom a motorcycle provides escapes you, but the jealousy does not. Doctors and Nurses gleefully hate motorcycles too, while conveniently omitting the car driving stumps that come into the ER are 100x more common than anyone from a motorcycle, and for reasons that excel in stupidity.
The worst injuries I ever received were from people hitting me with their effin car, and that includes a 10 year stint racing the damn things.
As a group, motorcycle riders are the most alert, most aware, least cited, and best drivers on the road. They have to be.

Personally, I wear the very best helmet money can buy, currently an $800 Arai. I have never argued that helmets don't work, they absolutely do. The new technology with helmets is amazing.

If your insurance rates increase, it's because of the stupid s--- that you and your like do, and not because of the freedoms others pursue and cherish.
 
*sigh*
This has been disproved so many times over decades I can't even begin to count. Even the insurers themselves agree.
Motorcycle riders are not increasing your cost or ability to acquire insurance in any way shape or form. Matter of fact, cage driving insurance rates have plummeted downward while motorcycle ownership has exploded in popularity. The overwhelming largest threat to a motorcyclist's safety comes not from personal decisions, but instead from you and your cell phone stabbing/french fry eating/radio effin/child slapping/book reading/makeup installing/beer drinking/ car driving self.

Your position is popular with haters. The freedom a motorcycle provides escapes you, but the jealousy does not. Doctors and Nurses gleefully hate motorcycles too, while conveniently omitting the car driving stumps that come into the ER are 100x more common than anyone from a motorcycle, and for reasons that excel in stupidity.
The worst injuries I ever received were from people hitting me with their effin car, and that includes a 10 year stint racing the damn things.
As a group, motorcycle riders are the most alert, most aware, least cited, and best drivers on the road. They have to be.

Personally, I wear the very best helmet money can buy, currently an $800 Arai. I have never argued that helmets don't work, they absolutely do. The new technology with helmets is amazing.

If your insurance rates increase, it's because of the stupid s--- that you and your like do, and not because of the freedoms others pursue and cherish.

Boy someone’s panties are in a wad. Motorcycle riders are just like any other group there are good ones and bad ones. The last time I drove a very popular stretch of the Diamondback near Little Switzerland the only people driving recklessly were 3 guys on a motorcycles. They passed several cars on 2 lane switchbacks. Every time I go on a road trip I see at least one reckless motorcycle rider putting themselves in jeopardy. By the same token I always see multiple drivers in cars doing dangerous things. I think that there are safe motorcycle riders and bad ones. Just like there are good car drivers as well as bad.

I agree the biggest danger to motorcycle riders are cars and other objects on the road most of which are bigger and heavier than motorcycles. Racing on a closed course removes most of those obstacles so it is not surprising your worst injuries are on the road not the track. I also question anyone’s intelligence that does not understand that and protect themselves with something as basic as a helmet but I am also all about personal choice and personal responsibility. If someone wants to ride a motorcycle without one they should accept the full consequences of those actions including the possibility that someone else’s actions can cause them harm on the open road.

My insurance rates are very low when you consider the performance level of the cars i drive. Also it is not just about auto related insurance it is also about health insurance. Maybe you need to calm down and not take everything personally. It isn’t all about you. I love when the queen doth protest too much.
 
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It isn’t all about you.
I agree entirely, and I would appreciate it if cage drivers would stop trying to make it so.
I'm sorry. I do need to calm down. I'm just burned out on people coming after me about my guns, and my motorcycles.
 
I agree entirely, and I would appreciate it if cage drivers would stop trying to make it so.
I'm sorry. I do need to calm down. I'm just burned out on people coming after me about my guns, and my motorcycles.

No ones coming after you. I have been around the healthcare world long enough with friends who work in critical care, ERs and neurosurgery. Motorcycle accidents involving people without helmets are almost always worse than those with people wearing them. Minor accidents become major ones. It sucks but it is true.

I give motorcycle riders a wide birth because I know I can kill them if something goes wrong. I keep my distance so if something happens I have a chance to avoid hitting them. You know nothing about my driving habits. You know nothing about my insurance rates. Which if I am being honest are pretty good considering the performance level and the cost of the vehicles I insure. You are unnecessarily lashing out at me.

Just because someone does not agree with you does not mean that they are attacking you.
 
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