VA Supreme Court Ignores Constitution, Keeps Gun Owners Disarmed at Lobby Day

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RELEASE: VA Supreme Court Ignores Constitution, Keeps Gun Owners Disarmed at Lobby Day
https://gunowners.org/release-va-su...ution-keeps-gun-owners-disarmed-at-lobby-day/

“Springfield, VA —The Virginia Supreme Court has denied appeals here and here by Gun Owners of America (GOA) and the Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL) to overturn Governor Ralph Northam’s Lobby Day Gun Ban.”

Cowardly bastards! I hope hundreds show up armed to the teeth anyway.

Terry
 
RELEASE: VA Supreme Court Ignores Constitution, Keeps Gun Owners Disarmed at Lobby Day
https://gunowners.org/release-va-su...ution-keeps-gun-owners-disarmed-at-lobby-day/

“Springfield, VA —The Virginia Supreme Court has denied appeals here and here by Gun Owners of America (GOA) and the Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL) to overturn Governor Ralph Northam’s Lobby Day Gun Ban.”

Cowardly bastards! I hope hundreds show up armed to the teeth anyway.

Terry


I believe you’re looking at tens of thousands showing up...

This will be no small event and the sh*t that’s been pulled in the last few days by TPTB has only swelled the ranks of those planning to attend.
 
Personally, I believe Monday will prove to be a watershed moment.

A few weeks ago, I wouldn’t have thought it, but much has changed over the last few days. The proposed bills were bad enough on their own, but Northam has doubled-down...

He has done everything possible to prevent the peaceable assembly of citizens. He declared a state of emergency and issued an EO, in direct contravention to Virginia law, stating that no citizens will be allowed arms on Capitol grounds. An injunction was sought and a Circuit Court Judge ruled in direct contravention of Virginia law. An appeal was made to the VASC and those justices handed down a ruling in direct contravention of Virginia law. The Capitol grounds looks like an internment camp, surrounded by 8’ fences, designed to “control” the citizens in attendance.

There was a time when politicians would attempt to mask their tyranny. Now, it seems, they wear it as a badge of honor and practice it openly.

The acts of Northam over the last few days have only served to incense an already discontent citizenry. Those folks are still planning to attend and many, if not most, are defying Richmond and choosing to go armed.

A movement many thought would just fizzle out has morphed into a tidal wave. I have read several places where some estimate the crowd to possibly reach 100,000 or higher.

I am typically skeptical of events like this...a huge build-up, then it turns out to be a flop.

My gut tells me Monday will not be a flop, but a catalyst and if anyone thinks this movement, from either side, will stay confined to the borders of VA, they are delusional.
 
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Yeah, I think we've passed the point of no return for both sides. However it turns out, it looks like it's poised to be a game changer, either way. I'm both hopeful and concerned.
 
What was the reason for the VASC denial? Links I get are blocked or not coming up down range.

CD
The VASC ruling basically says that since the Circuit Court who heard the complaint first decided so quickly to deny the complaint, they must be right:https://www.wric.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/74/2020/01/ORDER-01-17-2020-GUN-OWNERS.pdf

"Under Virginia law, "the granting of an injunction is an extraordinary remedy and rests on sound judicial discretion to be exercised upon consideration of the nature and circumstances of a particular case." Levisa Coal Co. v. Consolidation Coal Co., 276 Va. 44, 60 (2008). Under the circumstances, we are unable to discern whether the circuit court abused its discretion. The circuit court decided this case in less than one day, and, accordingly, the record before the Court is scant, there is no transcript or written statement of facts detailing the events of the hearing, and we are unaware of any evidence that was taken. The only information we have on which to resolve the weighty issues raised by the parties are pleadings accompanied by cursory attachments. Accordingly, the petition is refused."
 
The VASC ruling basically says that since the Circuit Court who heard the complaint first decided so quickly to deny the complaint, they must be right:https://www.wric.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/74/2020/01/ORDER-01-17-2020-GUN-OWNERS.pdf

"Under Virginia law, "the granting of an injunction is an extraordinary remedy and rests on sound judicial discretion to be exercised upon consideration of the nature and circumstances of a particular case." Levisa Coal Co. v. Consolidation Coal Co., 276 Va. 44, 60 (2008). Under the circumstances, we are unable to discern whether the circuit court abused its discretion. The circuit court decided this case in less than one day, and, accordingly, the record before the Court is scant, there is no transcript or written statement of facts detailing the events of the hearing, and we are unaware of any evidence that was taken. The only information we have on which to resolve the weighty issues raised by the parties are pleadings accompanied by cursory attachments. Accordingly, the petition is refused."
Thanks for posting that.

It’s truly sad and disheartening when a high level judge, a state Supreme court in this case, refuses to simply read and apply a plainly written law to uphold fundamental rights. Not to mention the 2A.

The worse this gets the more I wish I could attend. I will be following this very closely.

The fences seem like a joke. Unless they cement the fences in place, they’ll be easy enough to just lift out of their base and move to the side. The police won’t be able to stop 10-100k people. It’ll also be very telling how much the police try to enforce this BS illegal order from the governor.
 
Thanks for posting that.

It’s truly sad and disheartening when a high level judge, a state Supreme court in this case, refuses to simply read and apply a plainly written law to uphold fundamental rights. Not to mention the 2A.

The worse this gets the more I wish I could attend. I will be following this very closely.

The fences seem like a joke. Unless they cement the fences in place, they’ll be easy enough to just lift out of their base and move to the side. The police won’t be able to stop 10-100k people. It’ll also be very telling how much the police try to enforce this BS illegal order from the governor.
This is not Antifa or Ferguson thugs coming to assemble. This is our side who is not run by the Dems. Therefore if they do get crowds around 10,000 the police will immediately be instructed to teargas the crowd to disperse them. I would not be shocked to see some Antifa infiltrate and pull off some kind of trouble to make our side look bad to the media and give them more reason to disarm us.
 
Didn't Antifa say that they're there to protest these anti gun bills too.

CD
Yes.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/16/antifa-group-march-pro-gun-protesters-virginia/

They also have some very bad actors in their VA organization/s, i.e. Charlottesville. As they do elsewhere.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/01/andy-ngo-antifa-attack-journalists-list/

But it sure could change the optics of the Monday event if Antifa and others manage to play nicely together for the purposes of pushing back on this.
 
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Didn't Antifa say that they're there to protest these anti gun bills too.

CD
Yes, apparently.

Interested in seeing what happens, how many actually show up.
Like many things, many say they're doing things, few follow through.
HOpefully it's a peaceful day.

i dont believe it'll, truly, change a thing, but Im hopeful that it's peaceful
 
Bro I got nothing to plan for, i'll be hundreds of miles from Richmond
 
This event perhaps, but things could be on our doorstep here right quick. Quicker if this thing goes sideways.
Indeed. I was just there yesterday, before lunch even. And there’s not much between here (Wake County) and there but a great big four lane highway.
 
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I think that this will likely be a seminal event for acceleration of gun control across the county. 2a supporters can’t help themselves, they’ll show their asses, waiving around the confederate battle flag, engaging with counter protestors, and generally being a mob. MSM media will interview a few folks and they’ll broadcast those that show us in the worst light. The entire country will watch and most folks will say to themselves “we aren’t like them, they probably are dangerous, we probably should do something.”

Bloomberg’s gun control positions will gain momentum and Trump’s support of the 2a will evaporate as it starts to poll badly.

The senate goes to the Democrats.

Not saying that nothing should be done, but better to lose VA and make them go state by state than lose the executive and legislative branches.

For those of you going, be safe, and please prove me wrong!
 
I think that this will likely be a seminal event for acceleration of gun control across the county. 2a supporters can’t help themselves, they’ll show their asses, waiving around the confederate battle flag, engaging with counter protestors, and generally being a mob. MSM media will interview a few folks and they’ll broadcast those that show us in the worst light. The entire country will watch and most folks will say to themselves “we aren’t like them, they probably are dangerous, we probably should do something.”

Bloomberg’s gun control positions will gain momentum and Trump’s support of the 2a will evaporate as it starts to poll badly.

The senate goes to the Democrats.

Not saying that nothing should be done, but better to lose VA and make them go state by state than lose the executive and legislative branches.

For those of you going, be safe, and please prove me wrong!

I agree. If you are going, don't wave any flags, wear a MAGA hat, or engage any protestors. Dress like you are going to work or church and act like you have some damn sense. The message needs to be that your average middle class folks are fed up with the political nonsense that is going on and they aren't going to take it anymore.
 
I think that this will likely be a seminal event for acceleration of gun control across the county.

Yep, the .gov doesn't care if 1000000 people show up, they have the "votes" so they have the power. Your protest means nothing and does nothing other than give the antis as much fuel as they want to keep their machine running.

Now, pull the .gov out of it's palace and remove them.... that would be something they would notice right quick.
 
Those of you that "can't go, gotta bla, bla, bla" need to step back and STFU.

Either put up or shut up..... NOW is the time, not tomorrow or next week, NOW!!!
nah, we can keep our opinions, same as you.

For me it's not about 'cant go, gotta..' hell, I got the time
It's a productivity thing.
I dont see this being productive at all, and likely to create more issues than solve.
 
nah, we can keep our opinions, same as you.

For me it's not about 'cant go, gotta..' hell, I got the time
It's a productivity thing.
I dont see this being productive at all, and likely to create more issues than solve.

I just hope there are no dogs...


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Im not going to lie duder, I started typing something in reference to drawing down on a leashed animal, then decided against.

Whoa, what if it was a dog on a leash being led BY A GUN OWNER...worlds colliding, what to do???
 
When a Governor and/or Supreme Court Justice is sworn in to their position, don't they swear to uphold the constitution of the US?? Isn't this automatic grounds for dismissal, firing, arrest or impeachment??
Can't we find a Sheriff or Police official with balls to arrest them???
 
The VASC ruling basically says that since the Circuit Court who heard the complaint first decided so quickly to deny the complaint, they must be right:https://www.wric.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/74/2020/01/ORDER-01-17-2020-GUN-OWNERS.pdf

"Under Virginia law, "the granting of an injunction is an extraordinary remedy and rests on sound judicial discretion to be exercised upon consideration of the nature and circumstances of a particular case." Levisa Coal Co. v. Consolidation Coal Co., 276 Va. 44, 60 (2008). Under the circumstances, we are unable to discern whether the circuit court abused its discretion. The circuit court decided this case in less than one day, and, accordingly, the record before the Court is scant, there is no transcript or written statement of facts detailing the events of the hearing, and we are unaware of any evidence that was taken. The only information we have on which to resolve the weighty issues raised by the parties are pleadings accompanied by cursory attachments. Accordingly, the petition is refused."

So they denied the appeal not on its merits per say but on a procedural point? It seems that the record from the lower court was incomplete and VCDL did not make a strong enough case and I also read they may have used some inaccurate language as to what they were asking for.

“In refusing to overturn the ban, the Supreme Court faulted the pro-gun lawyers for failing to include enough information to merit taking action. They noted that the lawyers had alternately referred to what they sought as a “temporary injunction” and a “preliminary injunction” and that there was no transcript provided of the hasty hearing held in Circuit Court the day before.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...4d7a0e-393c-11ea-bb7b-265f4554af6d_story.html
 
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I hope this doesn't turn out to be what I think it will.
Gov ain't gonna listen no matter how many people show up to protest.
One bad actor and it will be the last day on earth for some on our side.
Then the Gov will be justified in following through on their threats.
That's when it will come to our backyards because it will already have been taken to theirs.
 
This is not Antifa or Ferguson thugs coming to assemble. This is our side who is not run by the Dems. Therefore if they do get crowds around 10,000 the police will immediately be instructed to teargas the crowd to disperse them. I would not be shocked to see some Antifa infiltrate and pull off some kind of trouble to make our side look bad to the media and give them more reason to disarm us.


Bring your road cones and water
 
I hope this doesn't turn out to be what I think it will.
Gov ain't gonna listen no matter how many people show up to protest.
One bad actor and it will be the last day on earth for some on our side.
Then the Gov will be justified in following through on their threats.
That's when it will come to our backyards because it will already have been taken to theirs.

Maybe the police will stand down and give them room to burn...
 
Folks, if we let ourselves be divided on the tactics of this event, we are well and truly doomed. This event is not a deal-breaker as far as our commitment to liberty is concerned. This event is an individual risk/benefit decision, based on incomplete information with a high number of unknowns and variables, and no solid direct history connection. Each must decide based on his own best estimates and his own particular situation. And there need be no judgment by one of us of the motivation of another one (the "First walk a mile in my moccasins" argument.) On some things we can surely all agree:
  • this event will shape the future for us all, one way or another
  • there is nothing that any one of us can do by going or not going that will make a difference
  • in re: above, there may be nothing any number of people can do to make a difference - we don't really know
  • whether we go or not, we all need to stand together on principles
  • we are all brothers and, like all families, we can disagree and still stand shoulder to shoulder
 
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You know what amazes me? There are so many people who are ignorant of and/or are completely disinterested in the state of affairs in Virginia in general. Are we that self-absorbed as a culture?
 
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What our founders would have already done:

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Terry
 
This has Kent State written all over it. I hope its peaceful but if it is nothing will come of it and the tyrants will continue on the path. If it turns violent maybe people will open their eyes to the fact that the justice system from the Supreme Court to the street cops are not on the side of freedom. Until politicians and their enforcers hang from light poles nothing is going to change.
 
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You know what amazes me? There are so many people who are ignorant of and/or are completely disinterested in the state of affairs in Virginia in general. Are we that self-absorbed as a culture?

I do not think it is that people are so self absorbed as much as this is not a defining issue for a lot of people. I think that we who are passionate about the 2nd forget that for the vast majority of people it is not something they think about on a daily basis. It is not something that they care about. They take it for granted or they are indifferent about it. The flip is that half the people who are passionate about it are passionate about it from the opposite direction as we are. I think too often we, the active shooting community, interact in a bubble. We move work and live in a circle of like minds and we over estimate our numbers. The vast majority of people do not see it the way we see it. Just food for thought.
 
The VASC ruling basically says that since the Circuit Court who heard the complaint first decided so quickly to deny the complaint, they must be right:https://www.wric.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/74/2020/01/ORDER-01-17-2020-GUN-OWNERS.pdf

"Under Virginia law, "the granting of an injunction is an extraordinary remedy and rests on sound judicial discretion to be exercised upon consideration of the nature and circumstances of a particular case." Levisa Coal Co. v. Consolidation Coal Co., 276 Va. 44, 60 (2008). Under the circumstances, we are unable to discern whether the circuit court abused its discretion. The circuit court decided this case in less than one day, and, accordingly, the record before the Court is scant, there is no transcript or written statement of facts detailing the events of the hearing, and we are unaware of any evidence that was taken. The only information we have on which to resolve the weighty issues raised by the parties are pleadings accompanied by cursory attachments. Accordingly, the petition is refused."

So they refused to hear it choosing precedence over actually doing their job. Nice. You would think all those negatives listed would be reason to hear the case. Since it sounds like the lower court didn't bother to exercise necessary due diligence on the subject.



So they denied the appeal not on its merits per say but on a procedural point? It seems that the record from the lower court was incomplete and VCDL did not make a strong enough case and I also read they may have used some inaccurate language as to what they were asking for.

“In refusing to overturn the ban, the Supreme Court faulted the pro-gun lawyers for failing to include enough information to merit taking action. They noted that the lawyers had alternately referred to what they sought as a “temporary injunction” and a “preliminary injunction” and that there was no transcript provided of the hasty hearing held in Circuit Court the day before.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...4d7a0e-393c-11ea-bb7b-265f4554af6d_story.html

Stunning that VASC is saying it's the defense's fault that the lower court did not produce a transcript. Since when is it the responsibility of the defense to enshrine the court hearings via a transcript? And when has anyone ever had access to a court transcript the next day? Absolute garbage.
 
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