.380 and .380 ACP...

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My friend says he'll let me shoot his kel teck (sp?) 380 semi auto. We didn't have a big discussion,but will it kick less than the .38 revolver? More than a 22? It's smallish, he said. You can tell we didn't talk for long! Just askin'.... Is it .380 or just 380. He agrees on not shooting the .38 in the yard, he has more space.
 
If it is the Kel-Tec P3AT in .380 ACP, it would be pretty snappy. Felt recoil may be similar to your .38. Depends on how it feels in your hand. The Kel-Tec is very small and concealable.
 
If it is the Kel-Tec P3AT in .380 ACP, it would be pretty snappy. Felt recoil may be similar to your .38. Depends on how it feels in your hand. The Kel-Tec is very small and concealable.
^^what he said^^

the Bersa Thunder 380 is much friendlier than the Kel-Tec as far as recoil goes... You would like the Bersa, I guarantee it...
 
My wife loves her Bersa Thunder. It is a little larger, but an accurate shooter. It is a lesser expensive pistol, similar to the little Kel-Tec. Again, the Diamondback 9mm might be worth looking at. I don't have one, but have read good things.
 
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If it is the Kel-Tec P3AT in .380 ACP, it would be pretty snappy. Felt recoil may be similar to your .38. Depends on how it feels in your hand. The Kel-Tec is very small and concealable.
Well, I'll see pretty soon! Is it snappier than a 25? I know what that feels like.
 
^^what he said^^

the Bersa Thunder 380 is much friendlier than the Kel-Tec as far as recoil goes... You would like the Bersa, I guarantee it...
I'll do some research on the Bersa too. Thanks.
 
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My wife loves her Bersa Thunder. It is a little larger, but an accurate shooter. It is a lesser expensive pistol, similar to the little Kel-Tec. Again, the Diamondback 9mm might be worth looking at. I don't have one, but have read good things.
I'll see when I can get to the gun shop and "feel" some of these....that sounded odd...
 
Be mindful that a smaller lighter gun wild be snappy (kinda more kick) than a heavier gun. And a longer barrel can be more accurate. I would be more comfortable shooting 5 rounds out of a .45 1911 than a
.38 special. My wife was more comfortable with a full size sig over my SCCY, both in 9mm
 
My friend says he'll let me shoot his kel teck (sp?) 380 semi auto. We didn't have a big discussion,but will it kick less than the .38 revolver? More than a 22? It's smallish, he said. You can tell we didn't talk for long! Just askin'.... Is it .380 or just 380. He agrees on not shooting the .38 in the yard, he has more space.

The .380 IS a 9mm...specifically, the 9mm kurtz, which means "9mm short". It's a 9mm diameter bullet, but the bullet itself is shorter (and therefore less mass to it). The overall cartridge length is also shorter.

Now...how much will it kick? The answer to that depends on the gun and how it's designed. My wife has a Walther PPK/S in .380. The barrel of that pistol is a fixed barrel, integral to the frame of the gun. It kicks hard.

Most other .380 handguns will not kick nearly so hard as my wife's PPK/S because they're designed differently. Likely it'll still be a bit "snappy", but unless you have a problem with hand strength you should do well.

If you can handle your revolver with .38 SPL loads, you'll do just fine.
 
Be mindful that a smaller lighter gun wild be snappy (kinda more kick) than a heavier gun. And a longer barrel can be more accurate. I would be more comfortable shooting 5 rounds out of a .45 1911 than a
.38 special. My wife was more comfortable with a full size sig over my SCCY, both in 9mm
Aren't we getting into Clint Eastwood territory with the .45? I think he had a .44 but I'm assuming they're close, sizewise of rounds. Or did I make an "ass" out of me? I'm getting really confused.....
 
The .380 IS a 9mm...specifically, the 9mm kurtz, which means "9mm short". It's a 9mm diameter bullet, but the bullet itself is shorter (and therefore less mass to it). The overall cartridge length is also shorter.

Now...how much will it kick? The answer to that depends on the gun and how it's designed. My wife has a Walther PPK/S in .380. The barrel of that pistol is a fixed barrel, integral to the frame of the gun. It kicks hard.

Most other .380 handguns will not kick nearly so hard as my wife's PPK/S because they're designed differently. Likely it'll still be a bit "snappy", but unless you have a problem with hand strength you should do well.

If you can handle your revolver with .38 SPL loads, you'll do just fine.
Well my hands are pretty strong, having spent eons working in a kitchen with big knives....we don't yet know how the revolver shooting will go, but it fits my hand well and I can work the parts, except the hammer pull is a bit awkward. Trigger, no problem...I'll let you know how the actual shooting goes. Lol
 
Well my hands are pretty strong, having spent eons working in a kitchen with big knives....we don't yet know how the revolver shooting will go, but it fits my hand well and I can work the parts, except the hammer pull is a bit awkward. Trigger, no problem...I'll let you know how the actual shooting goes. Lol
Y'all are good at 'splaining stuff!
 
My wife Gwen she loves he .45 and Walther P99 9mm, she has a S&W bodyguard .380 which she says other than size is basically same as her 9mm. She told me sell it unless you want to use it as it has just as much recoil as my 9mm, and if I'm going to shoot something same as a 9 might as well shoot the 9
 
if your close to winston salem let me know I can show you and let you shoot both 9mm and a .380 also I mean I always got plenty of ammo so no worries on that and you can ask most anybody here I can be somewhat trusted even if I am a dirty oldman . I can control myself if it means helping out a lady get to shooting guns more
 
Quick discussion of felt recoil. To the experts, I’m skipping the details and simplifying.

Let’s start with just a little physics. When the bullet detonates in the gun it causes the bullet to shoot forward and the gun to push back against your hard, these forces are essentially equal. So, the bigger the bullet and/or the faster the bullet, the more the gun will push against you. In fact this can be pretty easily calculated as the mass of the bullet times it’s speed which allows a useful comparison. So a 147gr 9mm bullet fired at 1000 feet per second would have energy of 147x1000 while a 65gr .380acp bullet fired at 1,500 FPS would have energy of 65x1,500.

Now it gets more complicated. The force calculated above accelerates the mass of the bullet to its speed. If the gun had the same mass it would accelerate at the same rate and you’d briefly notice a hole in your hand before the tiny gun recoiled right through your head. Fortunately guns are very heavy relative to bullets and so accelerate far more slowly. 1 lb = 7,000 grains, so your 1.5 lb gun will accelerate 71 times more slowly than the 147gr bullet (that’s 10,500/147). In short, a larger caliber gun will often be heavier than a smaller caliber gun, so more energy but also slower acceleration which makes the recoil more manageable; it tends to be more pushy and less snappy.

And finally it becomes pretty much subjective. The size and shape of the gun combined with the size of your hands, the strength in your hands, wrists and arms, and your grip determine how the gun will move in recoil. A very small gun may only allow you to get two fingers on the grip while a larger gun allows a good two handed grip. The smaller gun will have more flip than the larger gun. This is exacerbated by weaker hands and wrists which allow the gun to move up and sideways in recoil, making follow-up shots more difficult than if the gun was controlled to rise straight up.

With all that said I think that you should try several different guns. I think that you will find that you enjoy shooting and will be more effective with a somewhat larger gun shooting a relatively heavy bullet for the caliber. If you shoot a few times a week you may find in several months that you can then enjoy and be effective with a smaller and snappier gun and ammunition, it’s just a matter of technique and practice.

I think a lot of very small, even cute, guns are sold to new shooters, and it turns them away from the hobby/sport because it is both difficult to enjoy shooting them and it is difficult to hit the target with them.

Hope that this has been helpful.
 
far as that goes we could meet at proshots or some other shooting place and you could shoot all you like of course you'd have to pay for shooting but not ammo or guns
 
if your close to winston salem let me know I can show you and let you shoot both 9mm and a .380 also I mean I always got plenty of ammo so no worries on that and you can ask most anybody here I can be somewhat trusted even if I am a dirty oldman . I can control myself if it means helping out a lady get to shooting guns more
How nice of you! I live in Scotland Co, so not close to you. And no worries on the trusting, as I'm a pretty old-ish lady! Don't you guys like 'em young? Lol. And anyhow, I'd be armed, so....
 
far as that goes we could meet at proshots or some other shooting place and you could shoot all you like of course you'd have to pay for shooting but not ammo or guns
Someone mentioned proshots, but it was really far from here! Y'all live in the big city, and I live in the boonies! It's sweet of you, though!
 
Mill, you can handle almost any gun short of the big magnums (and then with practice you likely can handle most of those) ... it just might be some are less comfortable. Shoot anything a person will let you shoot for the experience just make sure your grip is correct and firm then squeeze off a round carefully thinking about being smooth and roll with it. Get the feel of it and then move on to working on your sight picture and keeping it thru your trigger manipulation. Over time you’ll gain confidence and be ready to fire about anything! My 5’2” 105lb wife can handle my .45acps easy and the only guns she really struggles with are a couple big bores and one lightweight snub nosed .357 that nobody well say is a pleasure to shot because it weighs next to nothing a the short barrel just makes that little revolver bark hard.
 
you should be able to handle any gun any man can handle i know ask my wife who has RA and also has small hands she's shot most any handgun even shot the fool out of a DE 50 cal. anyway if you ever get close holler or know your gonna be close the invitation is always open
 
Quick discussion of felt recoil. To the experts, I’m skipping the details and simplifying.

Let’s start with just a little physics. When the bullet detonates in the gun it causes the bullet to shoot forward and the gun to push back against your hard, these forces are essentially equal. So, the bigger the bullet and/or the faster the bullet, the more the gun will push against you. In fact this can be pretty easily calculated as the mass of the bullet times it’s speed which allows a useful comparison. So a 147gr 9mm bullet fired at 1000 feet per second would have energy of 147x1000 while a 65gr .380acp bullet fired at 1,500 FPS would have energy of 65x1,500.

Now it gets more complicated. The force calculated above accelerates the mass of the bullet to its speed. If the gun had the same mass it would accelerate at the same rate and you’d briefly notice a hole in your hand before the tiny gun recoiled right through your head. Fortunately guns are very heavy relative to bullets and so accelerate far more slowly. 1 lb = 7,000 grains, so your 1.5 lb gun will accelerate 71 times more slowly than the 147gr bullet (that’s 10,500/147). In short, a larger caliber gun will often be heavier than a smaller caliber gun, so more energy but also slower acceleration which makes the recoil more manageable; it tends to be more pushy and less snappy.

And finally it becomes pretty much subjective. The size and shape of the gun combined with the size of your hands, the strength in your hands, wrists and arms, and your grip determine how the gun will move in recoil. A very small gun may only allow you to get two fingers on the grip while a larger gun allows a good two handed grip. The smaller gun will have more flip than the larger gun. This is exacerbated by weaker hands and wrists which allow the gun to move up and sideways in recoil, making follow-up shots more difficult than if the gun was controlled to rise straight up.

With all that said I think that you should try several different guns. I think that you will find that you enjoy shooting and will be more effective with a somewhat larger gun shooting a relatively heavy bullet for the caliber. If you shoot a few times a week you may find in several months that you can then enjoy and be effective with a smaller and snappier gun and ammunition, it’s just a matter of technique and practice.

I think a lot of very small, even cute, guns are sold to new shooters, and it turns them away from the hobby/sport because it is both difficult to enjoy shooting them and it is difficult to hit the target with them.

Hope that this has been helpful.
Nicely done!!! Gotta love physics, right? As far as the grip thisng goes my. 25 has a smallish grip, but it fit my hand well, and I shoot well with it. The .38, that's comfy, but haven't shot it yet. Soon, I hope! Great explanations. Thanks!
 
you should be able to handle any gun any man can handle i know ask my wife who has RA and also has small hands she's shot most any handgun even shot the fool out of a DE 50 cal. anyway if you ever get close holler or know your gonna be close the invitation is always open
Thanks!
 
Mill, you can handle almost any gun short of the big magnums (and then with practice you likely can handle most of those) ... it just might be some are less comfortable. Shoot anything a person will let you shoot for the experience just make sure your grip is correct and firm then squeeze off a round carefully thinking about being smooth and roll with it. Get the feel of it and then move on to working on your sight picture and keeping it thru your trigger manipulation. Over time you’ll gain confidence and be ready to fire about anything! My 5’2” 105lb wife can handle my .45acps easy and the only guns she really struggles with are a couple big bores and one lightweight snub nosed .357 that nobody well say is a pleasure to shot because it weighs next to nothing a the short barrel just makes that little revolver bark hard.
I'm trying to get my hands on as many guns as I can! The word is spreading about my "issues" and people are volunteering their guns....well, one friend did so far. Lol. And lots of people here have offered help...I just live too far away! But I appreciate all the help!
 
well there is a .45 xds, Walther P99 9mm, a body guard .380 and best for last an LCR .357 that are here and are available for you to try anytime you wish. I know my Gwen went thru a ton of guns before she found the ones she likes, it can be fun shooting all the different types enjoy while you try. Thank God I taught her right on how to shoot guns she loves them all and is a recoil junkie. If you do decide to come or are able to ever come up know my wife would probably shoot with youand let you know i'm safe as she'd kill my old arse if I ever did bother anyone lol
 
well there is a .45 xds, Walther P99 9mm, a body guard .380 and best for last an LCR .357 that are here and are available for you to try anytime you wish. I know my Gwen went thru a ton of guns before she found the ones she likes, it can be fun shooting all the different types enjoy while you try. Thank God I taught her right on how to shoot guns she loves them all and is a recoil junkie. If you do decide to come or are able to ever come up know my wife would probably shoot with youand let you know i'm safe as she'd kill my old arse if I ever did bother anyone lol
Sweet! I don't know a lot of women who shoot guns!
 
Quick discussion of felt recoil. To the experts, I’m skipping the details and simplifying.
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I'll probably screw up the actual physics terms here, but it's after 2 am, so forgive me.

Another factor which strongly contributes to felt recoil is the design of the gun itself, with respect to how the reaction force of the gun against the hand is felt with respect to time.

Essentially, the longer the impulse of force is spread out with respect to time, the less the magnitude of the "felt" recoil. This is key to the moving parts of the gun.

As an analogy, consider a steel hammer. If you drop a hammer on your toe from a height of 5 feet, you'll experience a bit of pain (and likely injury), because the energy of the falling hammer will be absorbed in the fractions of an inch in which the hammer is forced to decelerate as it deforms (crushes) your toe.

Yet the same hammer, dropped from the same height, will present less of an "impact" on your toe if something in between works to decelerate the hammer (absorb some of its kinetic energy) before it actually hits your toe. Like a leather work boot. The hammer still hits with the same amount of kinetic energy, but it's being absorbed by the action of your leather boot compressing over a finite amount of distance before it reaches your toe.

Likewise, if you change the nature of the hammer, you can change the felt impact. If you drop a rubber hammer of the same mass from the same height, the result will be different than from the steel hammer. It may still hurt your toe, but you may not break anything, for example.

How the barrel (and when) the barrel and slide move on a pistol thus contributes a great deal to felt recoil.

This is the same principle applied to car design and manufacture. Modern cars, in general, are safer because they're designed to crumple and crush on impact, absorbing some energy and spreading out the time of impact so that by the time the forces reach the people in the car, the resulting magnitude of impact is lower and spread out more.
 
I have a lot of guns. I've shot a lot of other folks guns. The P3at is the most un enjoyable gun I have ever shot. I prefer my 2" barrel Taurus .357 to it. I carried it a lot. I would use it in a heartbeat if I had too. I just never enjoyed shooting that gun. It's not the caliber, it's the gun. Too light and too high a bore axis probably. My wife feels like it's going to jump straight out of her hand. She has a Bodyguard .380 that she really likes. And it does shoot a lot better than the P3at.

My Sig P238 in .380 I could shoot all day long.

That said, take your friend up on the offer and shoot it. Shoot as many guns as you can. Everyone reacts differently and the only way to find what you like it to shoot them.
 
A Kel-TEc .380 is very small and easy to conceal. Because it is so small, it's pretty snappy and with a long trigger pull. It's good that you have friends that own different things so you can try them out.
 
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That would be a hell of a note. She'd shoot you with your own gun. And ammo. Lmao
no she'd be using Gwen''s guns lol
Sweet! I don't know a lot of women who shoot guns!
yes my Gwen will shoot anything I taught her how to shoot and she actually listened so it doesn't bother her to shoot most anything
 
A Kel-TEc .380 is very small and easy to conceal. Because it is so small, it's pretty snappy and with a long trigger pull. It's good that you have friends that own different things so you can try them out.
Well, one friend so far. Lol. Most people I know aren't fond of guns....but they haven't had the robberies or else they have someone there all the time, not just sometimes! I guess the .380 will be snappier than the good old .25?
 
I have a lot of guns. I've shot a lot of other folks guns. The P3at is the most un enjoyable gun I have ever shot. I prefer my 2" barrel Taurus .357 to it. I carried it a lot. I would use it in a heartbeat if I had too. I just never enjoyed shooting that gun. It's not the caliber, it's the gun. Too light and too high a bore axis probably. My wife feels like it's going to jump straight out of her hand. She has a Bodyguard .380 that she really likes. And it does shoot a lot better than the P3at.

My Sig P238 in .380 I could shoot all day long.

That said, take your friend up on the offer and shoot it. Shoot as many guns as you can. Everyone reacts differently and the only way to find what you like it to shoot them.
High bore axis? You lost me....google time!
 
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