acid attacks, self defense, gun laws

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Not sure where to post this. Survival seems like it's in the ballpark.

http://www.redstate.com/prevaila/2017/07/24/becoming-fox-news-kat-timpf-assaulted-campaign-event/

But civil discourse met with another low hit Monday night when a man doused Fox News host Kat Timpf with an entire 1.5-liter bottle of water. The man apparently singled her out shortly before she was scheduled to speak at a campaign event for her longtime friend and Reform Party candidate for Brooklyn Borough President, Ben Kissel.
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A Fox News blonde is about to give a speech. Liberal walks up and dumps water on her.

Since London is up to two acid attacks per day and liberals are Euro Wannabes I'm wondering how long it will take for acid attacks to catch on here. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4462016/Two-acid-attacks-Britain-DAY-figures-show.html

So if I see someone about to dump clear liquid on me how do I know what it is? What are my self defense options at that point? The legal ones I mean.
 
I think if acid attacks become more common, it will also become more common to consider water bottles and squirt guns as lethal threats. Further escalation which is good for no one.
 
First, dumping water or anything on you would be simple assault. You are well within your rights to use reasonable force to prevent said assault. Reasonable force could be anything from voice to an OC spray to hard hands, it just depends on the situation, but you need to be able to articulate why it was a reasonable response.

As far as deadly force, the standard AOJ applies and you have the right to prevent grave bodily harm, which an acid attack could most certainly inflict. In this context, I believe the focus is on jeopardy and what reasons do you have to believe that a normal, proverbial, reasonable person, would understand constitute why you believe it to be an attack designed to cause grave bodily harm.
 
noway2 said:
what reasons do you have to believe that a normal, proverbial, reasonable person, would understand constitute why you believe it to be an attack designed to cause grave bodily harm.
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This is what I was getting at if they become more common place and in the public eye such that the reasonable person would expect that as the threat.
 
Stout said:
Since London is up to two acid attacks per day
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That seems kinda crazy. You would think with their protective culture and lack of any sort of protections from anything the .gov wants, that they would have just banned them outright at some point. Think of the children, no one needs an acid that powerful, they didn't have acid when the country was founded, yada yada, any of those would work here.
 
Wouldn't a bottle/cup/whatever filled with water be the same as an unloaded gun??

"It was just water and he beat the hell out of me thinking it was acid"....

"I couldn't hurt anyone because the gun was unloaded"....

Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, doesn't necessarily mean it's a duck.....
 
Climberman said:
This is what I was getting at if they become more common place and in the public eye such that the reasonable person would expect that as the threat.
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I think we posted about the same time, hence we overlap a bit.

Back during the second Obama election, I used to get my lawn mowed by a sheriff's deputy who ran a part time landscape company. He was called upon to go to the D convention in Charlotte for "security". At the time protestors were throwing bags of piss and other things at the cops. He said if anyone threw something on him, he would shoot them, to which I replied, "given what is happening and that bodily fluids can contain hepatitis or HIV, that being hit with something like that could easily cause grave bodily harm or even death."
 
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If somebody approaches you with a can/bottle/bucket of something, there's no way to tell if it's water or acid. What might be simple assault could end up being much worse. There is a big difference in reasonable force there.
 
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noway2 said:
First, dumping water or anything on you would be simple assault. You are well within your rights to use reasonable force to prevent said assault. Reasonable force could be anything from voice to an OC spray to hard hands, it just depends on the situation, but you need to be able to articulate why it was a reasonable response.

As far as deadly force, the standard AOJ applies and you have the right to prevent grave bodily harm, which an acid attack could most certainly inflict. In this context, I believe the focus is on jeopardy and what reasons do you have to believe that a normal, proverbial, reasonable person, would understand constitute why you believe it to be an attack designed to cause grave bodily harm.
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A great summary of the law of self defense. Thank you for posting it.
 
My life is worth more to me then the attackers life.

I will respond to the threat with removing myself from there reach or responding with force to stop them.

A liquid of any kind be it fuel, acid, body fluid, or what ever is a weapon
 
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https://saboteur365.wordpress.com/2...had-acid-thrown-in-his-eyes-and-is-now-blind/

During the Saturday attack on White Nationalists by violent antifa members, prominent alt-right activist Baked Alaska had acid thrown into his eyes. He may be permanently blinded. Millenial Matt explains in the short Twitter video below.

i can't see how do i look? pic.twitter.com/Sks0BRiq1W

— Baked Alaska™ (@bakedalaska) August 13, 2017



@Millennial_Matt has made a statement on #Charlottesvillepic.twitter.com/nDwUbNoY7A

— mème brûlée 2
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(@memebrulee2) August 13, 2017



The left rejoices when a man is blinded:

I hope you go blind. https://t.co/Bk9HsCdjqj

— em (@emilymmxx) August 14, 2017



The amount of people rejoicing that I likely have permanent eye damage is very disgusting. The REAL hateful people are being exposed. pic.twitter.com/G4XFYmapGV

— Baked Alaska™ (@bakedalaska) August 13, 2017



Oh yeah, here's @bakedalaska bawling on the ground after getting maced
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— Yes, You're Racist (@YesYoureRacist) August 13, 2017
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