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I’m looking to haul fuel on track days. Reason is I’m going with an e85 build. I have free space up front but want to make sure I’m not over thinking it.

So I’m thinking I’ll attach D rings on the red part so I can use a ratchet strap to secure the fuel.

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I’ve also considered something like this but I’d need it lower because these are 10.5 gallons approximately 74lbs so lift out of this would be a pain and I don’t think I have enough clearance.
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Mount something like this. With either a hand pump or 12v pump and be done with it.

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kcult said:
I can't lift 74lbs.

Consider that, too.
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I’ve also considered run an extension on the hand pump and just leave them in place on the trailer. With the hose pump and extension it’s 10 ft to work with.
 
LeeMajors said:
Mount something like this. With either a hand pump or 12v pump and be done with it.

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I’ve considered something like this. Problem is I don’t want to take my trailer every time I need to refill. I also don’t want to mount anything in the bed of my truck.
 
They make all different configurations of that type tank. A flat one would lay in the bed of the truck. Weight about 60 pounds and be easy to take out when not being used.

I’ve considered something like this. Problem is I don’t want to take my trailer every time I need to refill. I also don’t want to mount anything in the bed of my truck.
 
LeeMajors said:
They make all different configurations of that type tank. A flat one would lay in the bed of the truck. Weight about 60 pounds and be easy to take out when not being used.

I’ve considered something like this. Problem is I don’t want to take my trailer every time I need to refill. I also don’t want to mount anything in the bed of my truck.
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I was going off that if store 60 gallons and probably only use 20 gallons a track day so I’d have to let it sit in the truck because I couldn’t move it out the back.
 
LeeMajors said:
Aahhh. Gotcha. A tractor with loader would solve that problem 😉
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Hah I have one of those but I’m trying to limit touch points. I know I’m probably overthinking it or being too specific. I also considered getting 55gallon drums and just pumping what I need so I don’t have to have it stored on the trailer or in the bed of the truck. Just need a good barrel dolly and pump.
 
During my track days we had a dedicated trailer for each car and had had several of the five gallon fast fuel jugs, easy to move in and out, and store when not needed
 
What ever you do I would add a provision for locking it so that if you stop to eat somewhere some sticky fingers don’t take a can or two easily and quickly off the trailer. Even if its just a cable lock threw the handles
 
LeeMajors said:
Mount something like this. With either a hand pump or 12v pump and be done with it.

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I don't know if you care at all, but it's against DOT regulations to transfer gasoline and variants in containers larger than 5 gallons. And that manufacturer says on their page that the tank is not for gasoline. That tank does not have to ventilation system necessary to safely transport gasoline or E85, regardless of regulations.


amnesia said:
I’m looking to haul fuel on track days. Reason is I’m going with an e85 build. I have free space up front but want to make sure I’m not over thinking it.

So I’m thinking I’ll attach D rings on the red part so I can use a ratchet strap to secure the fuel.

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Turn those sideways. Run a ratchet strap through all the handles to hold them down then across the back to hold them firmly forward.



kcult said:
I can't lift 74lbs.

Consider that, too.
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Wimp.
 
Fueling a car at the track is a PITA period.

Before you get locked in on a hauling method, think about how you going to get the fuel in the car. Sometimes parking and space limitations mean you can't the the car alongside the trailer. Hand pumps suck. Electric or air pumps bring their own set of problems. Be sure the filler pipe on your car works with whatever setup you choose. You will burn about 30% more E85 than gas. D rings and a rachet strap will work fine on the trailer, but the dmw isn't going to like it. Everything GoWolfpack say about the dot regs are true. The dmv guys may not take a look at you, or, maybe they're running short on revenue that week.

There are a lot of variables and usually not a simple solution.
 
GoWolfpack said:
I don't know if you care at all, but it's against DOT regulations to transfer gasoline and variants in containers larger than 5 gallons. And that manufacturer says on their page that the tank is not for gasoline. That tank does not have to ventilation system necessary to safely transport
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GoWolfpack said:
I don't know if you care at all, but it's against DOT regulations to transfer gasoline and variants in containers larger than 5 gallons. And that manufacturer says on their page that the tank is not for gasoline. That tank does not have to ventilation system necessary to safely transport gasoline or E85, regardless of regulations.





Turn those sideways. Run a ratchet strap through all the handles to hold them down then across the back to hold them firmly forward.






Wimp.
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I spent 28 years in the gasoline industry and dealing with dot and fmcsa. It's perfectly legal as long as you have a dot certified tank ,pump, and ground system
That's the first link I came across. There are numerous tanks that are gasoline appropriate.

I don't know if you know but racing fuel is shipped and transferred from a standard 55 gallon drum and that's no different than what he's wanting to do

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Build something like this but put the top piece on a hinge that you can padlock. That way you won’t have to lift the cans out
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amnesia said:
I’m looking to haul fuel on track days. Reason is I’m going with an e85 build. I have free space up front but want to make sure I’m not over thinking it.

So I’m thinking I’ll attach D rings on the red part so I can use a ratchet strap to secure the fuel.

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I’ve also considered something like this but I’d need it lower because these are 10.5 gallons approximately 74lbs so lift out of this would be a pain and I don’t think I have enough clearance.
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Someone made one of these that two pins held the front bar and you could mount them under a counter and slide them out. I looked at them for my race trailer. PitPosse maybe.



Edit burt beat me to it.....
 
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LeeMajors said:
I spent 28 years in the gasoline industry and dealing with dot and fmcsa. It's perfectly legal as long as you have a dot certified tank ,pump, and ground system
That's the first link I came across. There are numerous tanks that are gasoline appropriate.

I don't know if you know but racing fuel is shipped and transferred from a standard 55 gallon drum and that's no different than what he's wanting to do

www.jmesales.com

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The first recommendation you made was for one that wasn't approved for gasoline, with no modifiers or warnings that any old bucket won't do for gasoline transport. I'm sure you're very smart, but there are a lot of nuances that would be lost on people who are just trying to get where they're going the fastest way possible.


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Per this table from North Carolina occupational safety and health DOT spec metal drums are approved to carry up to 60 gallons. I had no idea anyone would use glass containers for gasoline but some of them are apparently approved.
 
Maybe I am overthinking this or at least terrible at describing what problem I am trying to solve.

Problem I am trying to solve- On a track day my math puts me at 20 gallons needed with extra to spare. I dont mind hauling to the track 4 - 5 gallon containers. The problem I am trying to solve for is there isn't E85 readily available near me. I'd have to make a 45 min trip one way so I am trying to get enough so that I don't have to go get gas every track day. 60 Gallons would last me 3 track days or about a 45-60 days in terms of length.

Which would mean I hauling 60 gallons in the back of my truck bed then transfer into 4 -5 gallon jugs that I can also haul in the back of the truck.

Heck - I'd even buy by the barrel if I can find some place local that has E85 for sale.
 
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GoWolfpack said:
The first recommendation you made was for one that wasn't approved for gasoline, with no modifiers or warnings that any old bucket won't do for gasoline transport. I'm sure you're very smart, but there are a lot of nuances that would be lost on people who are just trying to get where they're going the fastest way possible.


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Per this table from North Carolina occupational safety and health DOT spec metal drums are approved to carry up to 60 gallons. I had no idea anyone would use glass containers for gasoline but some of them are apparently approved.
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That's true. Like I said. It was the first I came to to show what I was referring to.

If he had decided to go that route he would have text or called me to ask where to find a tank and what was I recommended as far as a setup to buy.
 
LeeMajors said:
That's true. Like I said. It was the first I came to to show what I was referring to.

If he had decided to go that route he would have text or called me to ask where to find a tank and what was I recommended as far as a setup to buy.
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This is true. Now help me find some E85 by the barrel near me :D so I can convince @John to let me store it at his shop.
 
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Have this place should set an e85 tank and since you use diesel set a diesel tank and they will deliver right to your house
amnesia said:
This is true. Now help me find some E85 by the barrel near me :D so I can convince @John to let me store it at his shop.
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With that style of jug, the ratchet strap is likely your best bet - one across the top to hold them forward, one around the middle to cinch them to the side so they don't slide across. I would put a strip of angle in front of them on the trailer just to keep them from walking forward. I've done a bar running through the handles before in the past also, but those were on the smaller VP jugs with the bigger handle opening, though I see no reason why you couldn't do that here if you turned them 90 degrees.
 
Looks like I have a place to get drums instead of transporting in the 10 gallon jugs. I'll return the cans I purchased and opt for toting 4-5 gallon cans that fit in the bed of my truck.
 
I don't know how often you can fill up adjacent to the trailer, versus having to lug fuel to the car, but I'd be tempted to install a bulk tank with electric pump on your trailer, and have a storage area for your 5 - 7 gallon totes. If you're at a track where you can fill the car from the trailer tank, then do so. If not, use the trailer tank to fill the totes and haul them to the car as needed.

You can keep the fuel stored in the trailer tank in-between races. You can pull the trailer to the fuel supplier to refill your tank as needed.

The trailer tank doesn't have to be fancy - shoot you could use a 55 gallon drum or two with a bung mounted pump. I'd want more than 36 gallons though unless I knew that I'd never need more than that at a race.

Plan B would be to fabricate and install the rack as recommended by @Burt Gummer a few posts up.
 
Scsmith42 said:
I don't know how often you can fill up adjacent to the trailer, versus having to lug fuel to the car, but I'd be tempted to install a bulk tank with electric pump on your trailer, and have a storage area for your 5 - 7 gallon totes. If you're at a track where you can fill the car from the trailer tank, then do so. If not, use the trailer tank to fill the totes and haul them to the car as needed.

You can keep the fuel stored in the trailer tank in-between races. You can pull the trailer to the fuel supplier to refill your tank as needed.

The trailer tank doesn't have to be fancy - shoot you could use a 55 gallon drum or two with a bung mounted pump. I'd want more than 36 gallons though unless I knew that I'd never need more than that at a race.

Plan B would be to fabricate and install the rack as recommended by @Burt Gummer a few posts up.
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Great minds think alike 😁
 
how much fuel do you go through on any given weekend?
 
Les said:
how much fuel do you go through on any given weekend?
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Typically 3 tanks a day which would equate to 12 gallons of ethanol missing 8 - 93 to 4 gallons of e85 but since its burns faster I added another 4 gallons so 16 gallons + 4 as spare coverage. Anything more than that I can run race gas which is at pump.
 
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GeorgeBush said:
Doesn't Sheetz sell e85? The yellow pump handle.
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Yes. No sheets within an hour of me though. The blend also varies and in winter it’s typically e50 which would require me to run just ethanol
 
Burt Gummer said:
Build something like this but put the top piece on a hinge that you can padlock. That way you won’t have to lift the cans out
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It wouldn’t take much effort to just buy that one and modify it. Angle grinder and a drill should be all that’s needed to add a hinge and lock.
 
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