Apex Defense - EDC Handgun Class

InvisibleOne

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I took the class, today, focused on drawing from concealment using the same guns/holsters that we carry every day. There was a good assortment of pistols, both medium and small sized. Guys got to put their daily carry rigs through a work-out, which helps to highlight any shortcomings in our gear. This is where you find out whether your holster draws smoothly, whether your mag carrier is in the best position, etc..
We worked on the basics, and ran various drills with both hands, right hand only, and left hand only. We shot at distances from 1 yard to 15 yards at paper targets, cardboard and steel silhouettes. Most drills were run as a group. But, Ryan and Bush also took time to work with each student one-on-one giving specific guidance when needed.
We shot several hundred rounds, did multiple reloads, and had an excellent day! As always, I really enjoyed spending the day with a great group of people.
Thanks again to Ryan and Bush!
 
InvisibleOne said:
I took the class, today, focused on drawing from concealment using the same guns/holsters that we carry every day. There was a good assortment of pistols, both medium and small sized. Guys got to put their daily carry rigs through a work-out, which helps to highlight any shortcomings in our gear. This is where you find out whether your holster draws smoothly, whether your mag carrier is in the best position, etc..
We worked on the basics, and ran various drills with both hands, right hand only, and left hand only. We shot at distances from 1 yard to 15 yards at paper targets, cardboard and steel silhouettes. Most drills were run as a group. But, Ryan and Bush also took time to work with each student one-on-one giving specific guidance when needed.
We shot several hundred rounds, did multiple reloads, and had an excellent day! As always, I really enjoyed spending the day with a great group of people.
Thanks again to Ryan and Bush!
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Those guys do a great job!
 
I attended the class as well as Saturday's class. I can say that on top of the great training, these classes represent a work out both physically and mentally. I found that doing math problems before engaging targets very challenging at the end of the class due to mental and physical fatigue and enduring the heat and sun. I think most of us were wore out at the end of the day.
 
I really enjoyed the class as well. Pocket carry is most convenient for me based on comfort and having to disarm everyday for work, Wasn't really one to carry an extra mag but we practiced alot of reloads so I carried spares in the back left pocket. I'll prob start carrying some form of tuckable IWB(mag(s)). Pretty big eye opener especially trying to reload one handed with the right hand, lol. And the bullets never faced the right way coming out of the pocket. I think this was the most valuable class out of all the ones I've taken as it's the gun and setup I would most likely find myself in if it ever hit the fan. I've had my ccp for over a year and biggest concern has been my confidence in "be aware of your target and what is beyond it". While it's not guaranteed I feel like at least I have a better understanding of what the potential consequences are if I pull the trigger.
 
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Coho857 said:
Hate that i missed this class, but work threw a wrench into my plans.
I wanted to put my new p365 through it's paces. I got the p365 because Variable was nice enough to let me shoot his last class i was at and because Ryan loves the p365 so much.
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Ha you missed it, like 3-4 people had P365's plus me. Mine sat on the bench because i shot a Glock !!! I need some familiarization with the platform for training purposes. Ryan had his full P365 hate going, he even at one point said, "watch me make it fail" and then gripping up high on the slide and pressing his thumb/hand onto the cycling action, which would produce out of battery condition on the P365 when shooting. Then he shot a Glock and did the same thing and had no malfunction. IGNORING the fact that the P365 has deep front and rear cocking serrations while the Grock is smooth. The hate is strong with that one! Yes the P365 doesn't have a great Sig trigger, yes the tiny fricken mag release is, well tiny, but the point it is a micro 9mm that holds 12 rounds! It is tiny! I personally think the recoil is less than a small frame Glock.
 
Variable said:
Ha you missed it, like 3-4 people had P365's plus me. Mine sat on the bench because i shot a Glock !!! I need some familiarization with the platform for training purposes. Ryan had his full P365 hate going, he even at one point said, "watch me make it fail" and then gripping up high on the slide and pressing his thumb/hand onto the cycling action, which would produce out of battery condition on the P365 when shooting. Then he shot a Glock and did the same thing and had no malfunction. IGNORING the fact that the P365 has deep front and rear cocking serrations while the Grock is smooth. The hate is strong with that one! Yes the P365 doesn't have a great Sig trigger, yes the tiny fricken mag release is, well tiny, but the point it is a micro 9mm that holds 12 rounds! It is tiny! I personally think the recoil is less than a small frame Glock.
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Im really enjoying the p365, for its size its a great gun. For all of Ryan's p365 hate, i think he sleeps with one under his pillow.
Lol
 
Coho857 said:
Im really enjoying the p365, for its size its a great gun. For all of Ryan's p365 hate, i think he sleeps with one under his pillow.
Lol
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That is most DEFINITELY not true haha. I sleep with two bite dogs under my pillow haha. Now you have drank the 365 cool-aid and have fallen victim to its false claims of superiority! Lol!
 
Variable said:
Ha you missed it, like 3-4 people had P365's plus me. Mine sat on the bench because i shot a Glock !!! I need some familiarization with the platform for training purposes. Ryan had his full P365 hate going, he even at one point said, "watch me make it fail" and then gripping up high on the slide and pressing his thumb/hand onto the cycling action, which would produce out of battery condition on the P365 when shooting. Then he shot a Glock and did the same thing and had no malfunction. IGNORING the fact that the P365 has deep front and rear cocking serrations while the Grock is smooth. The hate is strong with that one! Yes the P365 doesn't have a great Sig trigger, yes the tiny fricken mag release is, well tiny, but the point it is a micro 9mm that holds 12 rounds! It is tiny! I personally think the recoil is less than a small frame Glock.
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I cannot help they are jammo-matics. I can make a 365 jam every time! What about my Glocks, REAL Sigs, HKs, FNs, etc.... NOPE! Just that piece of not a real Sig handgun. I believe some designer from Taurus infiltrated Sig to design it for them. It jams with any pressure on the slide, your hand keeps the mag from falling out, snappy recoil, bad trigger, unreliable track history.... I am dropping hate faster and better than a 90's rapper. Thanks for converting a nice student into another victim Jim Jones lol!
 
Apex Defense Group said:
That is most DEFINITELY not true haha. I sleep with two bite dogs under my pillow haha. Now you have drank the 365 cool-aid and have fallen victim to its false claims of superiority! Lol!
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Well it is superior to any Micro 9mm competitors. You can't compare it to the P226. You have to compare it to other 12 round Micro 9mm's with factory night sites... Those gears turning yet? Yes, that is right there are no other micros 9mm with 12 round capacity. btw now they have 15 round mags!
 
Apex Defense Group said:
I cannot help they are jammo-matics. I can make a 365 jam every time! What about my Glocks, REAL Sigs, HKs, FNs, etc.... NOPE! Just that piece of not a real Sig handgun. I believe some designer from Taurus infiltrated Sig to design it for them. It jams with any pressure on the slide, your hand keeps the mag from falling out, snappy recoil, bad trigger, unreliable track history.... I am dropping hate faster and better than a 90's rapper. Thanks for converting a nice student into another victim Jim Jones lol!
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PFFT I can make a Glock jam, evidently you just feed it steel case ammo - happened to me several times last week. Your training Glock had TWO malfunctions in class in front of God and everybody and you were using brass ammo. Glock perfection...pfft.:p
 
Variable said:
Well it is superior to any Micro 9mm competitors. You can't compare it to the P226. You have to compare it to other 12 round Micro 9mm's with factory night sites... Those gears turning yet? Yes, that is right there are no other micros 9mm with 12 round capacity. btw now they have 15 round mags!
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Capacity capacity capacity. Blah blah blah. When I buy a car I look at how many cup holders it has, not how many people it can hold. LOL. I have no idea what that has to do with it but it sounded good. LOL. Maybe for some people who use the Variable method of shooting capacity is king. But to me, first round hits are! :)
 
Variable (aka Jim Jones) thanks for the kool-aid, taste so good im proably going to pick up a Canik next. Ryan thanks for being a good sport, from all the ribbing you are getting. Im starting to think you and Variable are married lol. Cannot wait till my next class, it's great fun and learn alot from a great instructor.
 
Coho857 said:
Variable (aka Jim Jones) thanks for the kool-aid, taste so good im proably going to pick up a Canik next. Ryan thanks for being a good sport, from all the ribbing you are getting. Im starting to think you and Variable are married lol. Cannot wait till my next class, it's great fun and learn alot from a great instructor.
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He is more like a family by now. Maybe an odd weird bald uncle? Thanks for coming out and for your support as always my friend.
 
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