Arkansas State Police 109 MPH Fatal PIT Maneuver

Nobody is blaming cops for chasing criminals. Members are blaming a cop for doing a pit maneuver at 110mph, which is stupid.

The results show how stupid it was. The proof is in the pudding as they say.
We have a dead suspect, a very very injured police officer, a destroyed private vehicle, and destroyed very expensive PUBLIC vehicle, and possibly screwed up public roadway and or property damage. Sheesh.
 
NKD said:
Nobody is blaming cops for chasing criminals. Members are blaming a cop for doing a pit maneuver at 110mph, which is stupid.

The results show how stupid it was. The proof is in the pudding as they say.
We have a dead suspect, a very very injured police officer, a destroyed private vehicle, and destroyed very expensive PUBLIC vehicle, and possibly screwed up public roadway and or property damage. Sheesh.
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+ two power poles along with power/phone lines on the ground.
 
My opinion only - the people commenting that police should not chase - if this were the case all the time criminals would figure this out and just run / drive like hell every time because they know LEO wouldn’t be allowed to chase. In any case of accident it is the sole fault of the perp
 
Lots of PD's have a no chase policy for motorcycles. And I know that the CMPD policy is that the police aren't supposed to chase at more than 10mph over the speed limit. Hell, they couldn't even catch speeders with that policy!
I still say that they should only be allowed to do high speed chases in very limited situations.
 
Matt.Cross said:
so, who's fault is it that the cop crashed while chasing the criminal?

and who would be to blame if that cop had crashed instead into a van full of child passengers?

It takes two to tango, and neither party is blameless...
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So who's to blame if the pursuit was called off and this assclown killed a family at the next intersection?? Not saying this was perfect, stop strips at the next intersection would have been my call
 
grungewehr39 said:
So who's to blame if the pursuit was called off and this assclown killed a family at the next intersection?? Not saying this was perfect, stop strips at the next intersection would have been my call
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The perp is to blame in that scenario, I don't see your point.
 
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grungewehr39 said:
My point is there were those that were seemingly placing blame on the LEO for the pursuit.
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AGAIN: nobody is blaming cops for pursuing criminals. They are blaming the cops for personally deciding to do a pit maneuver at 110MPH.

Do you think cops have to make rational decisions when pursuing law breakers? Or can they just make any decision as long as they are chasing somebody?
 
Most departments require approval for extended high speed chase or use of aggressive maneuvers to stop fleeing vehicle ... usually at supervisor level. In the video it was stated the PIT was approved so it was not just an overzealous Trooper’s decision. As to when to break off pursuit ... or even start since some jurisdictions have a no pursuit rule for motorcycles now ... is a tough call. Interstates and limited access highways at least offer less crossing traffic so depending on the reason for a pursuit maybe but when there is cross traffic and other possible risks the supervisor has to weigh the factors to decide ... then it’s his butt on the line along with the pursuing Trooper.

As to using spikes ... you don’t just have a unit pop up exactly where and when with the time to roll them ... and then you also have other traffic to possibly deal with. Road blocks are kinda the same ... they just don’t form themselves like poof. TV and movies make it look a lot easier to perform than it really is in real life.

My personal take is LEO’s have a hard job and making the split second decisions are tough ... when that supervisor said PIT the truck he was not anywhere near the scene, didn’t fully see the whole picture and made a poor decision ... if I had been the Trooper told to PIT someone at that speed I’d have been like “No way Jose!” but armchair law enforcement is way easier when bullets aren’t flying at you or you don’t get airborne like the Bo and Luke. Those involved are lucky no innocent person(s) in vehicles or near by were hurt ... I’d truly wonder how deep the ass chewings will go on this incident.
 
HMP said:
If we're talking 45-55, these folks were doubling that...almost tripling (I did see the following cop hit 116 or something at one point). I hate to say it, but at that speed, ,folks who arent constantly scanning their mirrors might not have noticed before it was on them already.
So while Im all for merging right for emergency vehicles, at those speeds it might have just come up on them too quickly.
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You reminded me of this, which happened again this morning. My house is on a small dead end street off of the town's Main St. It merges at a section where the speed limit is 55 MPH but in about 50-100' drops to 35 MPH. I can see a decent ways down the road when I pull out and I am not easy on the gas when I do so either. The 35 MPH zone isn't too long as it quickly drops to 20 MPH, but I frequently have a car on my tail in the 35 MPH zone that wasn't there when I pulled out. Those cars were doing a lot more than 55 and didn't slow down either.

Chuckman said:
NCSHP has one helo. One. For the whole state. Not sure what cities have their own. Shooting from a helo is very hard and takes training. I would also say a pit maneuver at that speed is just stupid. Physics is a real thing.
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Back in the fall, the county did a water rescue exercise on Jordan Lake. The CERT team volunteered to participate and I heard the after the action report. They said that the state (HP) had three helicopters total. One was out of commission for maintenance so they brought two to the exercise. Early on, one developed mechanical troubles and had to leave. The remaining one had a radio failure and couldn't communicate to the folks on the ground, so they ended up doing water rescue by hand signals.
 
noway2 said:
Back in the fall, the county did a water rescue exercise on Jordan Lake. The CERT team volunteered to participate and I heard the after the action report. They said that the state (HP) had three helicopters total. One was out of commission for maintenance so they brought two to the exercise. Early on, one developed mechanical troubles and had to leave. The remaining one had a radio failure and couldn't communicate to the folks on the ground, so they ended up doing water rescue by hand signals.
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Yes, they have more than one helo, but fly only one crew at a time. They are busy, too. Makes no sense that they only crew one. They also take troopers and send them to flight school; most places recruit former military pilots. A lot of what NCSHP does does not make sense to me.
 
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