Armed suspect dies after being shot by CMPD officer in north Charlotte

But as far as dumb names...it’s hard to beat the one that made the news sometime in the last month or so.
Kviiilyn...yep, pronounced Kaitlyn.
 
Jerzsubbie said:
M&P40’s
SWAT carries Glock 45cal. She is definitely not SWAT.
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Looks to me that she put a double in the thoracic triangle from what looked to be 8+ yds which is a pretty good grouping for a forty. So much for .40 being too much for whatever group they claim it was. I think it’s still effective to mag dump 9 also
 
For those that know Charlotte, I ride in North Tryon to Eastway, then to The Plaza, then a left on Pegram to go the back way in to our shop off of Louise Ave. Kelly works at the same place, so I've already told her to make sure her 43 is on her and not in her bag, and head on a swivel.
 
I haven’t checked the news yet, but it feels like a rifle in the trunk kinda day. I’m really not overly concerned about events today and will go uptown for lunch, but it costs nothing and takes no effort to move one and a few mags from the safe to the trunk.
 
JimB said:
I haven’t checked the news yet, but it feels like a rifle in the trunk kinda day. I’m really not overly concerned about events today and will go uptown for lunch, but it costs nothing and takes no effort to move one and a few mags from the safe to the trunk.
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I would put forth the thought that it may need to be in the cab with you.
Chances are slim, but God forbid you end up in the middle of a pack of unruly people and things turn ugly.
How are you going to get to that rifle if your car is surrounded?

I sincerely hope you do not encounter anything like that at all.
Safe travels, bud...
 
draco88 said:
I would put forth the thought that it may need to be in the cab with you.
Chances are slim, but God forbid you end up in the middle of a pack of unruly people and things turn ugly.
How are you going to get to that rifle if your car is surrounded?

I sincerely hope you do not encounter anything like that at all.
Safe travels, bud...
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There is a hole in the back seat for stowing skis in the trunk. Just gotta jump into the back seat. Have always wondered if people would scatter if they see me pull glasses and earmuffs from the center console.
 
JimB said:
There is a hole in the back seat for stowing skis in the trunk. Just gotta jump into the back seat. Have always wondered if people would scatter if they see me pull glasses and earmuffs from the center console.
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Fair enough...at least you have access :D
Stay safe...
 
rdinatal said:
Then you shift to the bigger weapon. 3000+lbs bigger, use it.
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There are a multitude of ways a vehicle can become disabled, which leaves us right back at the need to access a weapon in a trunk in the middle of a mob.
 
rdinatal said:
Then you shift to the bigger weapon. 3000+lbs bigger, use it.
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Per the scale at the local dump, my single cab short bed Tacoma 4x4 weighs close to 4000lb with a full tank of gas and me inside. Good luck stopping that on foot. I suggest anyone commuting or traveling in Charlotte increase your SIPDE scanning range, and your following distance in case you have to work around creative traffic barriers. I treat this truck like an OHV at will already so I feel like I'm well rehearsed
 
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There are a multitude of ways a vehicle can become disabled, which leaves us right back at the need to access a weapon in a trunk in the middle of a mob.
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True, and a volcano could pop up on I85.

The object is to leave an escape route. We're talking about people in a protest. The chances of them having anything to disable vehicles is slim. Always a chance but slim.
 
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rdinatal said:
True, and a volcano could pop up on I85.

The object is to leave an escape route. We're talking about people in a protest. The chances of them having anything to disable vehicles is slim. Always a chance but slim.
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Then why take another weapon at all?
Oh, yeah...because stuff pops up
 
rdinatal said:
Or stay home? I'm not saying you're wrong. It's just that one can go 'full retard' in a NY second.
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Staying home is not an option for a lot of working folks, including the guy I responded to.
He voiced a thought that he might need a little more than the daily carry, I queried him about placement and access, to which he replied with his plan. As far as I was concerned, the matter was settled.
Bottom line is we can sharp shoot each other over various scenarios till the cows come home and it is less than productive.
He made a decision concerning his well being, and I respect it.
 
draco88 said:
Staying home is not an option for a lot of working folks, including the guy I responded to.
He voiced a thought that he might need a little more than the daily carry, I queried him about placement and access, to which he replied with his plan. As far as I was concerned, the matter was settled.
Bottom line is we can sharp shoot each other over various scenarios till the cows come home and it is less than productive.
He made a decision concerning his well being, and I respect it.
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Response not really needed. I hear you and, if you notice, I did not say 'you're wrong'. (I don't think I did)
 
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Would be nice to see good, hard working folk, out and about today with plate carriers on, with at least six full mags, and some ballistic eye wear. Think that would send a message that protesters shouldn't f*ck around?
 
That guys decisions led to his death. They will blame the cops but they need to blame him for what led up to it.

That said, those commands do suck. There is no way to "drop the gun" without touching the gun. Not sure what the answer is, but I don't think that's the answer. At least they gave the same command though. Wonder why #3 didn't cross behind her and just tase the guy. I know the presence of the gun escalates it to lethal force, but with 2 guns on him the taser would have been a safe try. And with deadly force already authorized based on his actions you would not even need to warn on the taser, just hit him with it.
 
chiefjason said:
That guys decisions led to his death. They will blame the cops but they need to blame him for what led up to it.

That said, those commands do suck. There is no way to "drop the gun" without touching the gun. Not sure what the answer is, but I don't think that's the answer. At least they gave the same command though. Wonder why #3 didn't cross behind her and just tase the guy. I know the presence of the gun escalates it to lethal force, but with 2 guns on him the taser would have been a safe try. And with deadly force already authorized based on his actions you would not even need to warn on the taser, just hit him with it.
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With a potential victim in the car I think tazer would be off the table, just imagine the bru-ha-ha if the taser caused the guy to tense and fire into the car striking the passenger. Better to risk shooting and killing the bad guy than risk bad guy shooting someone.
 
draco88 said:
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A while back we did just this for an afternoon. We had the rifle:
1. In a zipper case in the trunk..both charged, in the open, in a zipper case, mag in, mag out in a pouch.
2. Repeat with all above in the back seat, then in the floor.
3. Driver behind steering wheel, seat belt on, door closed and locked.
This was not to make everybody proficient, but to simply expose them to the problem in advance. If you have never tried this, it IS and eye opener.
Remember...Panic is a normal reaction to a problem with No forethought solution.
We do a great deal of this kinda thing, again not to gain ultimate proficiency but to hopefully help You select what is best for You and to keep you from a terrible experience of the ultimate "on the job training".
 
JimB said:
With a potential victim in the car I think tazer would be off the table, just imagine the bru-ha-ha if the taser caused the guy to tense and fire into the car striking the passenger. Better to risk shooting and killing the bad guy than risk bad guy shooting someone.
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Didn't realize the car was occupied. Yeah, that makes it even more of a mess. But part of what I am getting at is just walk up, give a couple commands, and take him before he acts. IMO, that's pretty easy behavior to defend. They guy can't access the weapon IF the taser works. If the taser does not work, you have officers with guns drawn already.

I'm guessing here, but our litigious society probably has LE so edgy they don't want to act. Until it's too late. Then you have to shoot somebody. Aggression has its place. And if you can use it to end a situation without killing somebody, that's a good place for it.
 
The gun was in the guy's pocket when the cops rolled up on him. "put your hands up" might have been a better command than "put the gun down" when he didn't have a gun in his hand...

Not a LEO; never been one. Have a question; are you locked into a scripted series of commands when responding to a "man with a gun" call, or do you play it by ear???

Just wondering.
 
premise said:
Gun up, gun down, how about don't go brandishing your gun at some lady that had your bastard child's workplace and you can flat out avoid these issues.
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Personal responsibility goes a long way. That said I'm just glad they didn't Rodney Monroe this Officer. Let the entire process be investigated and if it needs charged charge her.
 
Stupid woman gave the wrong commands to a dimwit. "Hands up and walk backwards toward me" would have been the right call. Dumb ass woman basically told him to take his gun out and put it on the ground. His reward- trigger happy, scared officer. And yes, three people could have tazed him before he put his hand on the gun. I do not want to be a Charlotte resident when the big riots start. This will be a small event. One day there will be a big riot in more than one metro city.
 
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Tarowah said:
I’m going to say this looks like a bad shoot to me, as it was said earlier the guy with the weapon appeared to finally comply with dropping the gun when he was shot, of course if I had two cops pointing guns at me I probably would have used a few words to the effect of “I’m going to get the gun and slowly place it on the ground , PLEASE DONT SHOOT ME”, he didn’t do so and lost his life over being an idiot.

In all honesty how does one “drop the gun” without touching it to put it down? One correct answer is not not be out in public waving a firearm around like a moron in the first place, but from the video I saw it appeared the guy was attempting to place the gun on the ground when he was shot.
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A guy with a gun in his hand, sitting outside the open door of a car, with a person sitting in the car. I heard no less than 30 commands of drop the gun and put the gun down. How many commands do you think is adequate??? 40? 50? 100?? F that. Guy with gun, tell him once, it doesn't hit the ground, light his ass up.
 
So, was the gun in his hand or in his pocket?

Once again, the badge monkeys show up and things go sideways.
 
After hearing the remarks of chief Putney yesterday I'll be surprised if she doesn't get charged. But the grand jury I believe will be the decider. Hopefully they don't play games like they did with Randall Kerick.

If you remember how the first Grand jury decided not to prosecute and the second GJ decided to prosecute there was one piece of evidence left out of the second one, the video. Kind of crazy but that was how bad the prosecutor (State AG office I believe) wanted to go to trial.
 
noway2 said:
So, was the gun in his hand or in his pocket?

Once again, the badge monkeys show up and things go sideways.
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Things were going sideways when the idiot was threatening people in a BK with a gun. Looked to me like the gun was in his hand when he was shot. Of course we have the luxury of instant replay and slow motion. The cop had to decide in a split second.
 
I think it's funny that we would be celebrating a civilian self defense scenario where in this POS was killed moments earlier while he was pointing his piece at people in BK, but have a real problem with LEO culling the worthless turd a few minutes later.

A day with one less real criminal (the actual dangerous ones, not the ones created by some foolish executive fiat) is a good one.
 
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I don't have any issue with a POS being taken out. I frequently advocate for making or returning to that being the standard of "justice" and getting rid if the silly and ineffective prison model.

The only potential issue I see falls into the entrapment category, of telling a guy to drop a gun if that requires him to pick it up and then blasting him for doing so. Several of the comments raised this possibility and mentioned ambiguity in the video.
 
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