ATTN: Squids....

I just read this yesterday :mad:. Lackadaisical leadership, overworked crew, and apathy throughout. I am surprised there wasn't a sentinel event earlier, and I am surprised sailors aboard that boat didn't say anything before.
 
You know this just does not surprise me. I have been retired over 25 years now and when I sometimes hear sailors talking I wonder to myself where the heck is the training. I realize there is a lot of new technology out there, but the basics just do not change and "Rules of the Road" are there for a reason and they should be known. 50% on the test just does not cut it.
 
ECNC said:
You know this just does not surprise me. I have been retired over 25 years now and when I sometimes hear sailors talking I wonder to myself where the heck is the training. I realize there is a lot of new technology out there, but the basics just do not change and "Rules of the Road" are there for a reason and they should be known. 50% on the test just does not cut it.
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I was never a for-real sailor, haze gray and all that. But, I knew when they did away with SWO school and pushed it all to OJT and CD-based education, the quality of JOs as mariners was going to be severely tested. Also, when I did go to sea (not ship's company), the boat's sailors were stellar, and it was a tight ship: it all stemmed from the skipper and senior leadership (XO, CMC, etc.), as it should. When you see the CIC running like described on the Fitz, you know right away that leadership just didn't care and that the sailors were beyond apathetic.
 
All I can say is that I'm super happy that no Seabee has ever been put in charge of a boat. She'd be floating on beer cans, duct tape and JB Weld. (But....she WOULD float...)
 
Chuckman said:
I was never a for-real sailor, haze gray and all that. But, I knew when they did away with SWO school and pushed it all to OJT and CD-based education, the quality of JOs as mariners was going to be severely tested. Also, when I did go to sea (not ship's company), the boat's sailors were stellar, and it was a tight ship: it all stemmed from the skipper and senior leadership (XO, CMC, etc.), as it should. When you see the CIC running like described on the Fitz, you know right away that leadership just didn't care and that the sailors were beyond apathetic.
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I am like you. I was never stationed but quite often attached to a ship. But I have to say they knew there stuff. On one of the ships I remember the Chief Quarter Master giving classes on the mess deck several times a week for enlisted and officers.
 
I was in the P3 Navy, but anytime a piece of govt owned machinery moves from one place to another, everyone better have their shit squared away.

No excuse for this.


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I’m a taxpayer, and you’re telling me that the bajillion dollar warship that I helped paid for couldn’t determine that there were two boats within spitting distance to be avoided?

Someone has been lying to us taxpayers, and my guess is that it’s everyone.
 
Former submarine officer here (1984-89). It doesn't surprise me how the standards have dropped. Too much focus on PC and not enough on driving the ship.
 
Infuriating...just plain infuriating. In my opinion CO needs to be strung up by his nut sack! Absolutely no excuse for negligence like this and the unnecessary loss of life. Seems like a chronic problem.
 
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