Battery Oaks Range report, 7-7-19

BatteryOaksBilly said:
If you would remove that stupid guide rod it would Fall apart. It does Nothing that the gun needs and does other stuff it doesn't need.
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Dang! I forgot to give you the other one back!

And did you not tell me about 24 hours ago not to change anything about this gun till after the match????? The guy who told me that sure looked like you.....LMAO.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
If you would remove that stupid guide rod it would Fall apart.
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Full length guide rods aid in extraction and feeding. They extract money from one pocket and feed it into somebody else's.

Millie...Don't remove the full length guide rod without replacing it with a standard rod. It does need a spring guide.

A little something that might interest you in this video. You may need to back it up to the beginning. Sometimes it starts several seconds into it.

Observe the genius of John Browning.

 
Millie said:
You've been doing this for decades, probably. I didn't get my first 1911 until about February....I'm real late to the party! But I'm getting there.
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If you really want a workout, I'll let you have some fun with my Ruger Mk IV .22
to get it back together you need to be in a secret handshake fraternity or sorority.;)
 
Button Pusher said:
If you really want a workout, I'll let you have some fun with my Ruger Mk IV .22
to get it back together you need to be in a secret handshake fraternity or sorority.;)
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That might be a tad advanced for me, don't you think? I can barely take my guns apart.
 
John Travis said:
Full length guide rods aid in extraction and feeding. They extract money from one pocket and feed it into somebody else's.
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AIN'T THAT THE DAMN TRUTH!!!!!!! Old Charles Petty did a Big report on these stupid things 30 or so years ago. He used the famous Ransom Rest to Prove a full length guide rod did NOTHING GOOD and a lot BAD.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
He used the famous Ransom Rest to Prove a full length guide rod did NOTHING GOOD and a lot BAD.
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Things are made for a purpose...presumably. The first thing that you have to ask is: "What is it for?" All to often, the only answer is: "To sell."

Marketing 101: First convince the customer that he needs it, and then sell it to him.

Like the common knowledge that you have to use different spring rates to tune your gun to the load...which was started by people who make money selling springs.

And the world turns.
 
John Travis said:
Like the common knowledge that you have to use different spring rates to tune your gun to the load...which was started by people who make money selling springs
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See John, people will buy anything...spring tuning....buahhhhahahahahahah!!!!! Don't forget magic bullets.....
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
See John, people will buy anything...spring tuning....buahhhhahahahahahah!!!!! Don't forget magic bullets.....
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Don't get going on the bullets....and what does the long guide rod do that's bad for the gun, I'm curious.
 
John Travis said:
Full length guide rods aid in extraction and feeding. They extract money from one pocket and feed it into somebody else's.

Millie...Don't remove the full length guide rod without replacing it with a standard rod. It does need a spring guide.

A little something that might interest you in this video. You may need to back it up to the beginning. Sometimes it starts several seconds into it.

Observe the genius of John Browning.

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Almost looks like you’ve done it before. Love it!!! :)
 
Millie said:
That might be a tad advanced for me, don't you think? I can barely take my guns apart.
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I watched a 12yr young lady on youtube takedown her Mk IV and reassemble it no problem!
 
jodyisaacs said:
Exactly... Would make the pope curse.
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About 25 years ago I watched my father and his eldest brother spend about 90mins or more sitting on the living room floor trying to remember how to get a Ruger Standard (the original 9-rd thin-barrel model) back together and functional...

When dad passed that gun on to me I made a point of reading the instructions and making sure I understood how to get that mainspring assembly back in correctly.
 
vaskeet said:
The MK IV is a piece of cake try the MKII
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The MK II if held at a 45 degree angle, it will go right back together because the hammer strut is hanging straight down.. A friend bought an aftermarket part (from Tandemkross) that keeps the hammer strut from getting stuck
 
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KnotRight said:
The MK II if held at a 45 degree angle, it will go right back together because the hammer strut is hanging straight down.. A friend bought an aftermarket part (from Tandemkross) that keeps the hammer strut from getting stuck
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Correct me if I am wrong but the MK IV is a pull one pin easy take down version of the MK guns
 
KnotRight said:
@vaskeet your are correct. The MK II and I are the PIA to put back together.
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I have a MKII gov. target and a MkIII 22/45 target they are the only guns that I refer to the owners manual before and during disassembly and reassembly They are not bad if you CAN FOLLOW the instructions
I was just a little baffled by people talking about the MK IV as if it was tough to field strip
 
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Millie said:
.and what does the long guide rod do that's bad for the gun,
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Honestly, other than making the gun more tedious to field strip...nothing, really. It doesn't enhance anything or make it better, either.

You'll talk to people who say they make the gun run smoother or make it more accurate, but that's perception born of a belief.

Then, there are those who say that the extra weight tames muzzle flip, but that's also a perception because there isn't enough added weight for them to detect.

Then...my favorite...that they keep the spring from flexing laterally or "kinking" when the slide cycles, but that's another belief without evidence or understanding the design. There simply isn't room for the spring to do that.

With the standard spring guide, there are only 5 or 6 unsupported coils when the slide is in battery, and by the time it's moved a half inch, no flexing is possible...and at full slide travel, the spring is completely encapsulated. supported by the plug on the OD and the guide on the ID.

A conversation about the FLGR went like this:

"What's so good about a FLGR?"

"Nothin."

"Well, then...what's so bad about a FLGR?"

*shrug* "Nothin'."
 
John Travis said:
Honestly, other than making the gun more tedious to field strip...nothing, really. It doesn't enhance anything or make it better, either.

A conversation about the FLGR went like this:

"What's so good about a FLGR?"

"Nothin."

"Well, then...what's so bad about a FLGR?"

*shrug* "Nothin'."
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About like a spoiler on a Honda civic? no real functional enhancement or detraction, but they can charge you more for it..
 
fieldgrade said:
[QUOTE="CZfool68, post: 806381, member: 138”] .... or want to make alterations.
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This is half the reason I enjoy them so much.[/QUOTE]

Yep, some people like tinkering, improving and making problems go away. And some people just want to shoot. To each his or her own.
 
CZfool68 said:
This is half the reason I enjoy them so much.
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Yep, some people like tinkering, improving and making problems go away. And some people just want to shoot. To each his or her own.[/QUOTE]
I don’t buy guns so I can determine why the SOB doesn’t shoot. If I want to tinker with something I will cut a hole in my pant pocket and and put my hand in it.
 
BlackGun said:
I don’t buy guns so I can determine why the SOB doesn’t shoot. If I want to tinker with something I will cut a hole in my pant pocket and and put my hand in it.
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I don’t either. But I have fun "hot rodding” them. I shoot ‘em on the clock every weekend, so why not make ‘em go fast, or at least handle better?
 
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BlackGun said:
I don’t buy guns so I can determine why the SOB doesn’t shoot. If I want to tinker with something I will cut a hole in my pant pocket and and put my hand in it.
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The way I’m reading this thread, buying 1911’s is often the same as cutting a hole in your pocket. Without the happy ending. :D
 
When it comes to handguns, I want it to shoot out of the box. Don’t want to change triggers or springs or much of anything.

I like simple. Guess thats why all my personal protection devices are labeled Glock.
 
BlackGun said:
Yep, some people like tinkering, improving and making problems go away. And some people just want to shoot. To each his or her own.
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I don’t buy guns so I can determine why the SOB doesn’t shoot. If I want to tinker with something I will cut a hole in my pant pocket and and put my hand in it.[/QUOTE]ON it or IN it? Lol

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CZfool68 said:
Not really. Only if you buy crap guns, or want to make alterations.
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A majority of the 1911s I have owned have been Colts and while they have had their ups and downs I don't think they were ever considered crap guns. The metal quality and most of the parts have usually been good even when their QC and build quality had bad spells.

Problem guns aside, I have had to replace several barrels and many other parts that work best when fitted. Having the tools and knowledge to do your own 1911 work definitely pays off if you plan to shoot them a lot. I guess that goes for any gun but I seem to get way more mileage out of Glock and they are almost like legos or snap together model kits...much less craftsmanship to put one together. I think I have 4 tools to cover all Glock work whereas the 1911s required a whole stackable rolling toolbox full.
 
Weird stuff going on in the last five post to include who said what. Does the forum software have a glitch?
 
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