Battle rifle

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Ya right! Lol but on a serious note I have a few questions for the Borg hive mind :) this is for a rifle you would truly depend on ( fighting, shtf etc)

First gas tube length. Does a carbine length really effect anything? All my ARs are mid length.

Would you use a standard trigger group or would you run a Timmy, JMT, etc drop in?

What barrel device would you run?( Bird cage, battle comp etc)

What about a adjustable gas block?

SS or treated steel for barrel?
 
DDM V11. With quick detach Surefire can, 16" barrell, stock everything.

Or H $K MR762A1, with Surefire Socom can, 16" barrell, stock everything.
 
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This would pretty much be exactly mine save for maybe specifying VLTOR A5 buffer system, NiB coated BCG, and either an ACOG or MRO.
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I'm not sure I'd roll a nibx over a bcm for shtf
Agree on the agog as long as you're familiar

1/7 twist is what my bcm is 1/8 is what most stainless use like my barnes, just make sure you get quality tested parts like bcm dd or sons of liberty gun works is a new up and comer like a cheaper bcm there's a thread on m4 carbine about them.
 
Build a Mil Spec M4ergy. IE: Carbine length gas, 14.5" or 16" bbl 1:7 (prefer 14.5" with perm fixed long FH) so you can mount a bayonet. M16 BCG, flat top carrying handle and BUIS.

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I have carbine and mid, both run fine, if I ever build another sixteen I'll go mid.

I'd get the most effective flash hider I could. Believe that's the AAC Blackout currently.

Trigger mil-spec or Geissele.

Some flip down irons and Aimpoint or MRO.

Unless I had a can I wouldn't have adj gas.

I should build something like this soon. My wife's is light and simple, both mine are fat.

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Interesting perspective, eh? For a "Battle Rifle" many would argue that 1.25 MOA is more than sufficient. That's head shots out to about 500yds. and COM shots out to about 1000. What about AK's? Are they considered battle rifles? What about their accuracy?
For me a battle rifle is about robustness, reliability and payload delivery (adequate caliber). Most experienced guys I know reference to "Battle Rifles" as M1, M14, M1A, etc. and the sub-caliber guns as, wait for it... Assault Rifles.
 
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What did you do to it? Mine does 1.5 moa with irons and South African surplus, COM hits at 400y.
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Had set up to National Match configuration. I would get some groups that were sub MOA, but the rifle would average 1.25MOA. I trade it for an AR-10, which is very consistent .75 MOA, with a lot less work.
 
georgel said:
Interesting perspective, eh? For a "Battle Rifle" many would argue that 1.25 MOA is more than sufficient. That's head shots out to about 500yds. and COM shots out to about 1000. What about AK's? Are they considered battle rifles? What about their accuracy?
For me a battle rifle is about robustness, reliability and payload delivery (adequate caliber). Most experienced guys I know reference to "Battle Rifles" as M1, M14, M1A, etc. and the sub-caliber guns as, wait for it... Assault Rifles.
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Which leads to, when was the term Battle Rifle coined? AFAIK it was fairly recently.
 
I currently have four AR's, one rifle length gas system one mid one carbine one pistol.

The rifle length gas has the least recoil and I can instantly get back on target for a follow up shot, it's an 18" 1/7 with muzzle brake and ssa-e trigger. More for precision because it's heavy as hell.

The mid length has a lightweight barrel, ssa trigger and a BCM flash hider 1/7 16", this would be my "battle rifle" if needed.

My carbine is almost as light as my mid but the recoil is a little harsh so getting back on target takes a little longer, It has a BCM trigger 1/9 twist 16". Now that I own one I don't think I would ever buy another carbine. with the 1/9 it's great for shooting cheap 55gr ammo.

My pistol is 300 blk, haven't shot it yet. I know it's going to be very loud, but I installed a Noveske KX5 muzzle devise to keep the gasses and flame in front of the weapon. Bcm trigger and 1/7.

If you want a one gun for everything, I would look at a mid length gas light weight with a good trigger. Twist rate is up to you and what you want to spend on ammo.
 
If I was going to make a jack of all trades rifle, it'd be a 14.5" Colt or BCM, with an A2 flash hider w/ compatible suppressor (KAC NT4, Griffin M4SDII), a 4x32 ACOG with an MRO or Aimpoint I could swap out. I'd probably drop a ALG ACT trigger in it, at MOST a CMC single stage. I'd probably swap out the factory stock with something a little more ergonomic (B5 Bravo), and add a sling and flashlight.

That's about it.
 
dalek said:
Which leads to, when was the term Battle Rifle coined? AFAIK it was fairly recently.
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Good point...

Battle rifles are post-World War II, magazine fed, select fire, military service rifles, that fires a full-power rifle cartridge, such as the FN FAL, the M14 and the H&K G3.[1]

The term "battle rifle" was created largely out of a need to better differentiate the intermediate-power assault rifles (e.g. StG-44, AK-47 and M16) from full-powered automatic rifles (e.g. FN FAL, M14 and H&K G3) as both classes of firearms have a similar appearance and share many of the same features such as detachable magazines, pistol grips, etc.[2]

This term may also describe older military full-powered semi-automatic rifles such as the M1 Garand, the MAS-49 and the FN-49.[3][4] Before the 1990s, the term was not well defined and was used as a general description for all types of military rifles.

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My go-to by-my-bed jack-of-all-trades is a Colt 6920 with an Aimpoint PRO, CMC single-stage trigger.

As for carbine vs mid, while there is a noticeable difference in recoil, I don't think it's an appreciable difference. Not like going from a S&W 500 to a Ruger Mk II .22.
 
First gas tube length. Does a carbine length really effect anything? All my ARs are mid length.
Because I'm going lighter weight for lugging something around ... mid length (16" barrel)

Would you use a standard trigger group or would you run a Timmy, JMT, etc drop in?
Standard type 5lbish NiB trigger group ... Spike's Enhanced are what I have now along with NiB BCG for easy upkeep

What barrel device would you run?( Bird cage, battle comp etc)
I'd run my current flash suppressor mount which besides allowing a little quieter operation 'cept for the "crack" also makes the flash all but disappear

What about a adjustable gas block?
Nope, for this idea I would not be mixing a diet of subsonic and supersonic ammo so mine runs fine w/o one

SS or treated steel for barrel?
CHF chrome lined 16" 1:7 mid length barrel ... I'd let a little accuracy go for the chrome lined toughness JIC

Now if I went AR-10 platform I'd have a 18" 1:10 barrel though
 
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There's always the RPK in 7.62x54r

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But Molot done went bankrupt so that's like finding a unicorn now if you want a new one.

An AR-10 is cheaper and more available now.
 
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I guess if I reached in the safe and could only pull two AR's , these would do in a pinch.

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If the intent for a battle rifle is to give the squad greater distance capability, I'm betting the M14 could be reworked to lighten it some and then give 2 or 3 members of the squad those for the stand off capbility along with the SAW and M4's for when things get thick
 
I saw this come across FB this morning and thought this might prove interesting.

Tavor in 7.62x51 from IWI:
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Curmudgeon said:
If the intent for a battle rifle is to give the squad greater distance capability, I'm betting the M14 could be reworked to lighten it some and then give 2 or 3 members of the squad those for the stand off capbility along with the SAW and M4's for when things get thick
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They used it in the M21/M25 sniper/pseudo-sniper platform, I had heard it didn't work out so well. The Marines just use the 20" M16 with an upgraded barrel (SAM-R) in a designated marksman role, and that's part of the reason they are going to the M27 IAR.

I'm all for "upgrading" to bigger caliber at the squad level.
 
Chuckman said:
They used it in the M21/M25 sniper/pseudo-sniper platform, I had heard it didn't work out so well. The Marines just use the 20" M16 with an upgraded barrel (SAM-R) in a designated marksman role, and that's part of the reason they are going to the M27 IAR.

I'm all for "upgrading" to bigger caliber at the squad level.
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I had a Scout M1A in a SAGE stock. That thing was miserable to hump around. Like a heavy ass 2X4. And the heavy didnt bother me that bad, but the fact it was all sharp edges sucked. It looks cool as crap, but Id never buy another in that configuration. Well, unless I could unload it for the money I did when everyone thought the guns were gonna dry up.
 
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