Hey, you said you wanted participation and questions so....Uhhh how do you sleep a night murdering alla God's Creatures. See you tomorrow on Da Big Boat!!!
Big Bore Lever Guns.............
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God sanctioned this mass extinction, much like he did the flood. He sent down from Heaven various B&M Rifles direct to me and said "Take these miraculous Rifles in which I bestow to Thee, Go Forth with them and Slay the
great Beasts of the earth with them"............. Who was I to refuse? Just doing God's Work...........
HEH HEH..............
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Back to BUFFALO.............................
By chance we are riding along when a herd of buff get spooked off to our left, we jump out quickly and get set up as they run across our front at about 35 yards. I ain’t much of a running shooter, but as the bull came across my front I lined up on the shoulder and when he was in mid stride I turned the 365 Lever Raptor loose, and it hit him dead square just behind the shoulder. This bullet ended up going through both lungs and was found actually sticking out of the hide far side. The bull humped a little in mid stride, hit the ground continuing his run, I was following as he went, but brush had now got between he and I, I was lined up and turned a 405 #13 Lever Solid loose on him, catching him dead through the stomach. He slowed down to a walk now, and stopped behind some very thick brush and waited on us, looking back at us.
Now we have thick brush between us. I can see his head (Barely) looking our way as Andrew and I get down on our knees looking through the brush! Lord knows I think we must be there for 30 minutes it seems so long, just looking at him, and he looking for or at us! I can’t see good enough with this red dot sight to even consider shooting……. Finally he ambles on off behind thicker brush out of sight. Andrew and I go around to where he is standing and there is a pool of LUNG BLOOD there 2+ feet across! How in the world is he still on his feet?
We don’t go another 10 steps and Andrew sees him lying down about 20 yards from us, not quite facing us, but looking our way. Most of his body is down in the brush and can only see his head….. We go down on our knees again and wait, and watch. He is looking, we are looking, and I am ready for him to get up any second. I can’t see good enough to shoot, hell I can barely tell head from ass. After another 30 minutes (seems like anyway) we decide to try and get a better angle. We don’t move a yard in front of us, behind brush, out of sight, and he gets up. We here our crew behind us scream “He is Up”, we quickly move another yard or two around the brush and there he is, quartering to me, presenting point on his left shoulder, and I turn a 405 Solid loose on him, he staggers back a step, I hit him again, he staggers back again, I hit him again and yet he staggers and still on his feet, when I turn the 4th round loose he staggers back on his ass and falls over! I reload quickly and we approach him from the backside, and when I get within two yards he makes one last heroic effort, and rolls completely over to attempt to get on his feet one last time to fight back!!!! WHAT A WARRIOR!!!! He never stopped fighting until the last breath, and that roll over was it, he had no more, he was done! By Damn what a buffalo, what a warrior. I will never forget that fight as long as I live! There is absolutely nothing that walks the planet that can be tougher than an ole buff that decides to go to war with you! This one decided to go to war and would not be diverted from his mission…. You gotta have the utmost respect for that!
Now, back to reality and time. There was video of the entire thing. From Start to Finish, what I would have sworn was a very long time, ended up being a total of less than 5 minutes................. Sure seemed longer at the time.
They caught me on camera giving a BULLET LECTURE…… HEH……
As the LECTURE goes on, I think Andrew is getting tired, looking for a place to sit… HEH HEH…….
Another wild thing we discovered, after only seeing it on the video, that second shot, 405 Lever Solid, had hit a tree 10 steps in front of me, about 4 inches across, it penetrated dead straight through the tree, made a straight laser line hit the buffalo in the stomach.. 30 YARDS behind the tree, penetrated and exited the stomach of the buffalo!!!!!!!!!! We went back to the scene the next day and found the tree……
Solids have a place in all sorts of hunting, it does not just have to be the heavies............ Nothing can go through brush, trees, twigs like these Solids from CEB and North Fork........ and still hit the mark...........
By chance we are riding along when a herd of buff get spooked off to our left, we jump out quickly and get set up as they run across our front at about 35 yards. I ain’t much of a running shooter, but as the bull came across my front I lined up on the shoulder and when he was in mid stride I turned the 365 Lever Raptor loose, and it hit him dead square just behind the shoulder. This bullet ended up going through both lungs and was found actually sticking out of the hide far side. The bull humped a little in mid stride, hit the ground continuing his run, I was following as he went, but brush had now got between he and I, I was lined up and turned a 405 #13 Lever Solid loose on him, catching him dead through the stomach. He slowed down to a walk now, and stopped behind some very thick brush and waited on us, looking back at us.
Now we have thick brush between us. I can see his head (Barely) looking our way as Andrew and I get down on our knees looking through the brush! Lord knows I think we must be there for 30 minutes it seems so long, just looking at him, and he looking for or at us! I can’t see good enough with this red dot sight to even consider shooting……. Finally he ambles on off behind thicker brush out of sight. Andrew and I go around to where he is standing and there is a pool of LUNG BLOOD there 2+ feet across! How in the world is he still on his feet?
We don’t go another 10 steps and Andrew sees him lying down about 20 yards from us, not quite facing us, but looking our way. Most of his body is down in the brush and can only see his head….. We go down on our knees again and wait, and watch. He is looking, we are looking, and I am ready for him to get up any second. I can’t see good enough to shoot, hell I can barely tell head from ass. After another 30 minutes (seems like anyway) we decide to try and get a better angle. We don’t move a yard in front of us, behind brush, out of sight, and he gets up. We here our crew behind us scream “He is Up”, we quickly move another yard or two around the brush and there he is, quartering to me, presenting point on his left shoulder, and I turn a 405 Solid loose on him, he staggers back a step, I hit him again, he staggers back again, I hit him again and yet he staggers and still on his feet, when I turn the 4th round loose he staggers back on his ass and falls over! I reload quickly and we approach him from the backside, and when I get within two yards he makes one last heroic effort, and rolls completely over to attempt to get on his feet one last time to fight back!!!! WHAT A WARRIOR!!!! He never stopped fighting until the last breath, and that roll over was it, he had no more, he was done! By Damn what a buffalo, what a warrior. I will never forget that fight as long as I live! There is absolutely nothing that walks the planet that can be tougher than an ole buff that decides to go to war with you! This one decided to go to war and would not be diverted from his mission…. You gotta have the utmost respect for that!
Now, back to reality and time. There was video of the entire thing. From Start to Finish, what I would have sworn was a very long time, ended up being a total of less than 5 minutes................. Sure seemed longer at the time.
They caught me on camera giving a BULLET LECTURE…… HEH……
As the LECTURE goes on, I think Andrew is getting tired, looking for a place to sit… HEH HEH…….
Another wild thing we discovered, after only seeing it on the video, that second shot, 405 Lever Solid, had hit a tree 10 steps in front of me, about 4 inches across, it penetrated dead straight through the tree, made a straight laser line hit the buffalo in the stomach.. 30 YARDS behind the tree, penetrated and exited the stomach of the buffalo!!!!!!!!!! We went back to the scene the next day and found the tree……
Solids have a place in all sorts of hunting, it does not just have to be the heavies............ Nothing can go through brush, trees, twigs like these Solids from CEB and North Fork........ and still hit the mark...........
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Seems like Solids in 45 Colt and smaller calibers woul be appropriate for whitetails. When we load powder coated 200 grain hard lead bullets for 35 Rem, we get something similar... one bullet, two holes.
Non Conventional bullets would cause too much damage to whitetail, I would think.
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Non Conventional bullets would cause too much damage to whitetail, I would think.
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Odd thing is, most all that damage is done interally. You will have larger than normal Entrance, massive internal damage, and a caliber hole exit. Folks that do not study this and understand how this works sometimes see THIS.... Looking from The OUTSIDE. Caliber Entrance, Caliber Exit. Bullet didn’t do anything? Until they open it up and see the inside. THose that still cannot understand see large entrance? Bullet BLEW UP. Yes, this is where the blades Shear, all at once, and it is explosive at that point, but look further........ See Further.......... But it don’t take much to put white tails down...... Thin skinned, but my guys using various .308 caliber guns sure love that 100 Raptor. THey no longer have to chase deer down......
Somewhere we need to discuss some rat/deer caliber stuff........ But Big bore is not for rats shooting...........
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I'd like to ask in a totally non-judgmental way-
What happens after to the big buffs and others? That's a lot of steaks on the hoof, if it's even edible.
If not against the law, I'd like to think I would be having lots of fire grilled meat out in the field, lol.
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What happens after to the big buffs and others? That's a lot of steaks on the hoof, if it's even edible.
If not against the law, I'd like to think I would be having lots of fire grilled meat out in the field, lol.
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Ha, 185gr collar button .460 at 800fps or less is friggin awesome on small game.
Why save the big bores for big game. Add some versatility and fun into the mix.
Lets hope you get two holes in those paper thin whitetail.
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All animals are 100% utilized. Buffalo in particular is incredible, we always look forward to several dinners after taking buffalo....... hippo is running right along with the buffalo when fighting to get to the table......What is not utilized in camp goes to locals. Elephant is a huge source of protein for the local villages........In 24 hours after taking elephant, a buzzard could not find a morsel left.............
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Ha, 185gr collar button .460 at 800fps or less is friggin awesome on small game.
Why save the big bores for big game. Add some versatility and fun into the mix.
Absolutely correct....... there is much you can do with the big bores. By taking advantage of lighter, bullets one can take any big bore and go from deer to elephant, and all in between......... I have not taken small game since I was a kid, but I am sure whatever you are talking about above does the trick.............
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Thought I would share.
Left to right:
Lee 340gr, NOE Range Dawg 360gr gc, NOE RD 360 without gas check, NOE Collar button 180gr.
They all are my 4570 marlin. The 360 RD gc is my hunting round. The collar button is for fun. I shot the collar button out of my trapdoor and keep velocity down below 1000fps. It is accurate and a hoot to shoot. It allows a lot of versatility with the 4570 round. The collar button was originally designed back in the 1880s as a gallery round.
If you were a man with one gun and that gun was .458 caliber, adding this little jewel and mouse fart loads to your bag of tricks would keep you feed year round.
Left to right:
Lee 340gr, NOE Range Dawg 360gr gc, NOE RD 360 without gas check, NOE Collar button 180gr.
They all are my 4570 marlin. The 360 RD gc is my hunting round. The collar button is for fun. I shot the collar button out of my trapdoor and keep velocity down below 1000fps. It is accurate and a hoot to shoot. It allows a lot of versatility with the 4570 round. The collar button was originally designed back in the 1880s as a gallery round.
If you were a man with one gun and that gun was .458 caliber, adding this little jewel and mouse fart loads to your bag of tricks would keep you feed year round.
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I ran across this report this morning. This was a couple of years ago, and I had forgot about it. I have a guy that built a Marlin 50 B&M Alaskan out of New York State. He hunts everything, from buffalo to deer with his, and chooses the appropriate bullet.
He was using the Hornady Flex 300 gr bullet, run the velocity up to over 2500 fps. I may have posted test results on these somewhere, but here are the tests............Not in 50 B&M AK, but in the Super Short, the bullet don't care.......
And here is the bullet he found on the far side of the deer, which was DRT, no tracking required..................
He was using the Hornady Flex 300 gr bullet, run the velocity up to over 2500 fps. I may have posted test results on these somewhere, but here are the tests............Not in 50 B&M AK, but in the Super Short, the bullet don't care.......
And here is the bullet he found on the far side of the deer, which was DRT, no tracking required..................