Bill introduced in Virginia to ban privately owned indoor shooting ranges....

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HOUSE BILL NO. 567

Offered January 8, 2020Prefiled January 6, 2020


A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding in Article 3 of Chapter 12 of Title 18.2 a section numbered 18.2-511.2, relating to indoor shooting ranges; prohibited in buildings not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or federal government; exceptions; civil penalty.


----------Patron-- Helmer----------Committee Referral Pending----------

Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding in Article 3 of Chapter 12 of Title 18.2 a section numbered 18.2-511.2 as follows:

§ 18.2-511.2. Indoor shooting ranges; prohibited in private buildings; exceptions; penalty.

A. As used in this section, "indoor shooting range" means any fully enclosed or indoor area or facility designed for the use of rifles, shotguns, pistols, silhouettes, skeet, trap, or black powder or any other similar sport shooting.

B. It is unlawful to operate an indoor shooting range in any building not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or the federal government unless (i) fewer than 50 employees work in the building or (ii) (a) at least 90 percent of the users of the indoor shooting range are law-enforcement officers, as defined in § 9.1-101, or federal law-enforcement officers, (b) the indoor shooting range maintains a log of each user's name, phone number, address, and the law-enforcement agency where such user is employed, and (c) the indoor shooting range verifies each user's identity and address by requiring all users to present a government-issued photo-identification card.

C. Any person that violates the provisions of this section is subject to a civil penalty of not less than $1,000 nor more than $100,000 for the initial violation and $5,000 per day for each day of violation thereafter.

https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+HB567
 
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Are there any private indoor shooting ranges in VA?
 
Wtf on this one. It feels like a prank.

Even for liberals, this is an unexpected level of dumb. Do they thing hood rats and meth dealers go to the local range to practice drawing from their pants or pointing guns sideways?

More “common sense” legislation...yikes.
 
They're just turning everything up to 11, so when they "compromise" and back down to level 7 it seems "reasonable".

11: ban everything! collect it all! shoot the non-compliant!
7: ban everything, grandfather it, close ranges, tax ammo, background checks on ammo, 1 gun a month limit, yada yada

See pro-2A people, we just wanted "common sense".

Happened in CA, NY, CO, WA and all the rest. No reason VA will be any different.
 
They're just turning everything up to 11, so when they "compromise" and back down to level 7 it seems "reasonable".

11: ban everything! collect it all! shoot the non-compliant!
7: ban everything, grandfather it, close ranges, tax ammo, background checks on ammo, 1 gun a month limit, yada yada

See pro-2A people, we just wanted "common sense".

Happened in CA, NY, CO, WA and all the rest. No reason VA will be any different.
No reason it SHOULD be, but it will be different
 
Has anything like this ever been done before? Seems like there’s a lot of legal issues that can overcome this.

Antitrust laws - do they apply to gov? If so, have they not just engineered a monopoly on ranges in the state that would otherwise preclude competitive pricing on leases etc?

Conflict of interest - forcing use of property directly tied to monetary gain for them

legal conundrum - assume state already doesn’t allow firearms in state facilities and maybe even property (yet somehow you can magically bring entire arsenal to one now?)

With no change in building or zoning restriction, justification for fining businesses not meeting these conditions??? Like, how does this stand on its own merit? ...

I’m sure plenty others that an actual lawyer could drum up
 
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This bill is clearly aimed at the NRA facility.
Unfortunate they waste time with foolish legislation instead of dealing with the real problems at hand.

They are dealing with the problem at hand. The problem is that people have guns.

Crime, violence, terrorists, and crazy people aren't problems, they're justifications.
 
They are dealing with the problem at hand. The problem is that people have guns.

Crime, violence, terrorists, and crazy people aren't problems, they're justifications.

They're also good money makers. The "worse it gets out there" the more they can steal from people while claiming to "do something", and the soccer moms and dads will happily turn over money and freedom in exchange for "something being done".
 
B. It is unlawful to operate an indoor shooting range in any building not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or the federal government unless (i) fewer than 50 employees work in the building or (ii) (a) at least 90 percent of the users of the indoor shooting range are law-enforcement officers, as defined in § 9.1-101, or federal law-enforcement officers, (b) the indoor shooting range maintains a log of each user's name, phone number, address, and the law-enforcement agency where such user is employed, and (c) the indoor shooting range verifies each user's identity and address by requiring all users to present a government-issued photo-identification card.

The way I read this (which I ain’t no lawyer nor did I stay a a Holiday Inn Express) is stand alone ranges with fewer than 50 employees are okay ... but if it’s in say a strip center or such it’s a no go. Something like Triangle Shooting would be lawful (I’m guessing they have under 50 employees???) while the new OnPoint opening in a strip center won’t. The address and ID thing is done pretty much at most public ranges anyway ... you check in and hand them your DL and they check you in.

Now the less than 50 employees will be a problem for the NRA range ... and sets a stepping stone for more range legislation and regulations. Another slice of the gun control cake could be served up ... and with VA’s Dummicrats in the majority it ain’t much to stop it.
 
The way I read this (which I ain’t no lawyer nor did I stay a a Holiday Inn Express) is stand alone ranges with fewer than 50 employees are okay ... but if it’s in say a strip center or such it’s a no go. Something like Triangle Shooting would be lawful (I’m guessing they have under 50 employees???) while the new OnPoint opening in a strip center won’t. The address and ID thing is done pretty much at most public ranges anyway ... you check in and hand them your DL and they check you in.

Now the less than 50 employees will be a problem for the NRA range ... and sets a stepping stone for more range legislation and regulations. Another slice of the gun control cake could be served up ... and with VA’s Dummicrats in the majority it ain’t much to stop it.

You missed the second part. 90% of users have to be LEO s. I’m reading it as both/and not either/or.


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You missed the second part. 90% of users have to be LEO s. I’m reading it as both/and not either/or.


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B. It is unlawful to operate an indoor shooting range in any building not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or the federal government
unless ...
(i) fewer than 50 employees work in the building
... or ...
(ii) (a) at least 90 percent of the users of the indoor shooting range are law-enforcement officers, as defined in § 9.1-101, or federal law-enforcement officers,
(b) the indoor shooting range maintains a log of each user's name, phone number, address, and the law-enforcement agency where such user is employed, and
(c) the indoor shooting range verifies each user's identity and address by requiring all users to present a government-issued photo-identification card.


By the way I am reading it is as “or” not as “both” with the outline numeration ... but I am no attorney and it’s been a longtime since English class and outline form.
 
For those that would be staying open, the state wants them to act as a data collecting operation, creating a state-controlled list of who is using the range as well as their photo ID and home address.

Let’s be clear. This is a very real threat against the rights laid out in the Constitution. Americans have the right to defend themselves. And the state is literally trying to stop gun owners from training and improving their skills.

This is an attack on our liberties.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com...t-down-all-gun-ranges-not-owned-by-the-state/
 
B. It is unlawful to operate an indoor shooting range in any building not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or the federal government
unless ...
(i) fewer than 50 employees work in the building
... or ...
(ii) (a) at least 90 percent of the users of the indoor shooting range are law-enforcement officers, as defined in § 9.1-101, or federal law-enforcement officers,
(b) the indoor shooting range maintains a log of each user's name, phone number, address, and the law-enforcement agency where such user is employed, and
(c) the indoor shooting range verifies each user's identity and address by requiring all users to present a government-issued photo-identification card.


By the way I am reading it is as “or” not as “both” with the outline numeration ... but I am no attorney and it’s been a longtime since English class and outline form.

We'll flip a coin for it. I might have read that one wrong.
 
This was meant to stir the pot. Get pro 2a gun folk all riled up.
And they’re not going to like it when Gun owners show up by the thousands on the Capitol steps and start building a scaffold with rope thrown over it.

Seriously, these idiots are looking to start a fight and they’re going to get more than they bargained for.
 
They have a 1-vote majority. That means that they expect every single Democrat to vote for this stuff. There are no more “good” Democrats. Not one. Anywhere. Every single one is frothing at the mouth to disarm you and will do so the very first chance they get. I can’t wait until the next time some of you on here say there is no difference between the R’s and the D’s.
 
They have a 1-vote majority. That means that they expect every single Democrat to vote for this stuff. There are no more “good” Democrats. Not one. Anywhere. Every single one is frothing at the mouth to disarm you and will do so the very first chance they get. I can’t wait until the next time some of you on here say there is no difference between the R’s and the D’s.

Pretty sure there hasn’t been a so-called good Democrat since I was born. And the numbers of good Republicans have taken a serious hit too. Options are getting slim.
 
The biggest question about all of these left leaning states with a commanding center of population like NYC,DC area,LA,Portland etc is this. When will conservatives take over and implement a state level electoral college like system. It is absolutely ridiclous that place like California, NY and even NC to a degree get controlled by such small areas. The state shouldn't be controlled and dictated based on the single highest population center.
 
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