Bill introduced in Virginia to ban privately owned indoor shooting ranges....

I haven’t been to the NRA range, do they really have 50 employees cause that’s huge. I’d actually think they could beat this by breaking the rifle range off from the pistol range and calling them different businesses, or make them contractors instead of employees.

As for generating a list of users, I’m 90% certain that this is a requirement from the insurance providers for the business, so the law doesn’t really do anything new.

but I agree with everyone, they are putting up any idea they can imagine to see what the response is and will optimize their approach in other states. I wonder if these things can be killed by filibuster in the state senate. I wonder of they have enough senators to form a quorum, the republican members could just leave the state so no business can be conducted.
 
georgel said:
What? Are they trying to be CA-East?

They really are going whole Hogg. Now I'm thinking they want the conflict.
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They want the disruption for sure. There is a lot of foreign money behind the politicians and groups that are being so bold about attacking the 2nd amendment right now. For example, think about how much the Chinese world position/influence will improve if we fall into mass disobedience/violence/revolution. Many enemies to our way of life assume that any attempts at armed resistance will ultimately be the end of our second amendment rights and that would make someone like China even more content knowing that they never need to worry about our armed populace taking back all of the farmland and other properties they have stolen from years of unfair trade.

The mass illegal migration to our country is also an effort to move the voting power away from conservative states by gaming the census. Eventually, even the protection offered by the electoral college will be overwhelmed.

Been reading here a few days and figured I'd join...Hi!
 
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JimB said:
I haven’t been to the NRA range, do they really have 50 employees cause that’s huge. I’d actually think they could beat this by breaking the rifle range off from the pistol range and calling them different businesses, or make them contractors instead of employees.

As for generating a list of users, I’m 90% certain that this is a requirement from the insurance providers for the business, so the law doesn’t really do anything new.

but I agree with everyone, they are putting up any idea they can imagine to see what the response is and will optimize their approach in other states. I wonder if these things can be killed by filibuster in the state senate. I wonder of they have enough senators to form a quorum, the republican members could just leave the state so no business can be conducted.
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It looks like the catch here is "in the building". I don't know the exact setup of the NRA range but there could very easily be more than 50 employees in the building if it houses other offices. As was pointed out in an earlier post, any range located in a strip mall type of building would include all the employees in all other businesses that were within the same building.
 
Cowboy said:
The biggest question about all of these left leaning states with a commanding center of population like NYC,DC area,LA,Portland etc is this. When will conservatives take over and implement a state level electoral college like system. It is absolutely ridiclous that place like California, NY and even NC to a degree get controlled by such small areas. The state shouldn't be controlled and dictated based on the single highest population center.
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No way they would do anything to compromise giving up their sense of control. You want politicians to work against their best interest? And for ours? I'm betting against all that. It's a bit too late for that idea. If that was the case CA would have gotten rid of that obscene jungle primary. That's how you get elections without a single Republican running.

doose said:
the op clearly says less than 50 employees OR 90% of members are LE.
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I'm guessing you missed my second post, huh?
 
lasttombstone said:
It looks like the catch here is "in the building". I don't know the exact setup of the NRA range but there could very easily be more than 50 employees in the building if it houses other offices. As was pointed out in an earlier post, any range located in a strip mall type of building would include all the employees in all other businesses that were within the same building.
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agree with your first sentence, but not sure about the second. We’ve have to look at legal definitions of “building” in the state, but having separate ingress and egress and each having to comply with fire codes and access for folks with disabilities seems more compelling than does the fact that they share a roof.

I’ve never been to a range in a strip mall.
 
I haven't gone to a ranges except my own in over 20 years so I don't personally know. I have read about the On Point range hopefully coming to Raleigh and from what I know of the area and the fact that it was mentioned in post #26 as being in a mall type setting I have to accept that posters information. I do know that people in politics who want to do something have their own definitions and it is only logical, to me, that anything under one roof is in the same building. Walls, doors or the lack of, etc. don't seem to move it out of the building.
 
Dont forget 538:

A. Any person possessing or storing a firearm in a motor vehicle or vessel shall secure such firearm in a locked container, other than a glove box, that is not within the dominion and control of or readily accessible for prompt and immediate use by any person within the motor vehicle.
 
random said:
Dont forget 538:

A. Any person possessing or storing a firearm in a motor vehicle or vessel shall secure such firearm in a locked container, other than a glove box, that is not within the dominion and control of or readily accessible for prompt and immediate use by any person within the motor vehicle.
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Wow, that should be called the Carjacker Protection Act of 2020. I suppose this is based on the belief that you and I, who have never committed a serious crime, would have the discipline to obey the law and lock the gun up, then minutes later become involved in a road rage incident and start shooting, except that we locked our gun in the trunk before we got into the car.
 
Alfred said:
Maybe this was aimed at: 11250 Waples Mill Rd, Fairfax, VA 22030 Aka the NRA Range.
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New info;

Trying to capitalize on that momentum, Delegate-elect Dan Helmer (D), an Iraq and Afghanistan veteran, announced on Monday he is introducing three more gun control bills to "reduce gun violence in Virginia."

HB567 will implement a ban on indoor shooting ranges in private buildings with "large numbers of employees" because of "recent workplace shootings." The bill would ban the ranges if it is in a building that has more than 50 employees working in said building. Indoor ranges would be required to maintain a log of each shooter's name, phone number, address, and the law-enforcement agency where such user is employed and the indoor range verifies each shooter's identity and address by requiring all users to present a government-issued identification card.



https://townhall.com/tipsheet/julio...introduces-even-more-gun-control-bil-n2559071
 
chiefjason said:
No way they would do anything to compromise giving up their sense of control. You want politicians to work against their best interest? And for ours? I'm betting against all that. It's a bit too late for that idea. If that was the case CA would have gotten rid of that obscene jungle primary. That's how you get elections without a single Republican running.



I'm guessing you missed my second post, huh?
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I must have...
 
If they really want to do something about "gun violence" how about keeping repeat offenders locked up? I haven't seen anything proposed that actually addresses the real problem. I guess it's easier to mess with law abiding folks instead of thugs?
 
SPST said:
If they really want to do something about "gun violence" how about keeping repeat offenders locked up? I haven't seen anything proposed that actually addresses the real problem. I guess it's easier to mess with law abiding folks instead of thugs?
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They actually passed a bill that lets Reg'd Sex Offenders back into public shelters full of children.....

And don't even get me on Northham and his post-birth abortion stance :mad::mad::mad:

NoVA needs to STFU and form their own commune
 
SPST said:
If they really want to do something about "gun violence" how about keeping repeat offenders locked up?
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You just answered your own question.
I haven't seen anything proposed that actually addresses the real problem. I guess it's easier to mess with law abiding folks instead of thugs?
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The legal system has proven itself as only being effective against the law abiding.
 
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