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Firearms YouTube channels never cease to amaze me.



This is a channel with 325,000 subscribers and these men don’t know how to use a revolver. But, subscriber count entitles them to make a “review.”

In one video, we have so many problems…

- the host’s grip is jacked up like a football bat, and his insistence on a “low” grip only causes him pain

- cowboy-slamming the cylinder shut like an infant

- the host recommending staging a trigger on a DAO gun instead of actually pulling properly

- shooting almost 500 rounds through a revolver without wiping anything down ever and getting concerned that fouling has accumulated in the cylinder gap

- checking the “lockup” of the cylinder by wiggling the cylinder without the trigger to the rear… newsflash, it’s not locked up, the cylinder stop isn’t even engaged!

- shooting almost 500 rounds through a brand new small-frame revolver—no inspection or cleaning—and getting upset that the yoke screw vibrated out… it’s a removable yoke screw! You’re supposed to check it on high round count days or at the very least put a tiny dab of a light threadlocker on there!

That last one killed me—blaming Taurus for that would be like blaming Uberti for not being able to run 100 shots out of an 1860 Colt cap-and-ball clone without cleaning. No duh, abuse like that will completely foul the arbor, cause binding, and may even beat the wedge loose.

It is a revolver with no reciprocating parts to absorb shock or move fouling through oil. Wipe it down and check the screws every couple hundred rounds!

It seems insane to me that someone with an audience greater than half the population of Wyoming feels confident making a “review” video about a fairly niche topic (compact revolvers) while demonstrating 20 minutes of ignorance.
 
how is shooting 500 rounds without cleaning abuse? I typically clean my pistols every 500 rounds and never have an issue. Cleaning had nothing to do with the failure; being a $250 Taurus revolver with snazzy grips and a fancy box was the root cause.
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
how is shooting 500 rounds without cleaning abuse? I typically clean my pistols every 500 rounds and never have an issue. Cleaning had nothing to do with the failure; being a $250 Taurus revolver with snazzy grips and a fancy box was the root cause.
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Revolvers aren’t semi-auto pistols. Revolvers are not really designed to handle more than a couple hundred rounds without cleaning, max.

When a pistol cycles, especially one that’s been oiled properly, fouling and unburnt powder/debris get disturbed by all the motion. That limits buildup of fouling past a certain point. A properly oiled pistol will get and stay dirty until it’s cleaned, but as long as it runs with a little lube, that’s not a functional problem. Excess grit and crap will be suspended in the lubricant and carried out of friction points.

A revolver has no means of doing that—not on the cylinder axis, cylinder face, or forcing cone. Build up too much fouling on the cylinder face and forcing cone, they will bind up, putting unsafe pressure on the internal bits that rotate and time the cylinder.

Revolvers also don’t have a shock-absorbing recoil system. The yoke screw in a revolver is not under any real “tension” and is designed to be removable for cleaning. The vibration and forces of recoil are hitting that screw and its threads with every shot, immediately, with zero attenuation. It’s never a bad idea to use a dab of light threadlocker or, better, check that screw every couple hundred rounds. Otherwise, it will back out.

Chuck Haggard and Darryl Bolke have talked about these issues at length during Primary & Secondary podcast episodes. During LE revolver training and qual sessions, it was expected that revolvers would get wiped with an oily rag or toothbrush every couple boxes of ammo, and shooters were expected to check their screws at those times. I’ve seen and experienced these issues at matches and learned to expect and deal with them.
 
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I cringed a lot watching that video. To be fair, many of today's shooters came along when the black, plastic guns were just becoming popular. These shooters never got to experience revolvers. Marketing said that revolvers were obsolete, they only held 5 or 6 rounds. You really need 15 to 20 rounds to survive in the world.

Many people talk about the horrible triggers on double action only semi autos like the SCCY, Kel-Tec, Kahr, Ruger LCP, etc. These guns are to be fired like you'd fire a double action revolver.

The fact that these guys said that the Taurus trigger was pretty good makes me want to shoot one. But, the followers of these guys will decide that this revolver is junk based on their "review". I don't think that their followers would would be candidates to buy a revolver anyway.
 
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And people say revolver guys are a bunch on conceited know it alls….
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Have you met niche gun owners? Open gun tuners, AK collectors, guys that actually know what S&W dashes mean, “weird AR calibers” guys, obsolete cartridge loaders, military clone builders…?

You have to be a know-it-all or at least a know-it-some-and-know-who-to-ask-about-the-rest. Willful ignorance makes for bad purchases, bad experiences, and broken guns.
 
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JRV said:
Have you met niche gun owners? Open gun tuners, AK collectors, guys that actually know what S&W dashes mean, “weird AR calibers” guys, obsolete cartridge loaders, military clone builders…?

You have to be a know-it-all or at least a know-it-some-and-know-who-to-ask-about-the-rest. Willful ignorance makes for bad purchases, bad experiences, and broken guns.
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JRV said:
This is a channel with 325,000 subscribers and these men don’t know how to use a revolver. But, subscriber count entitles them to make a “review.”
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He knows nothing about revolvers. His audience is from his weekly gun news updates which are high quality and typically well written. Adam Kraut used to be on that channel before joining the 2nd amendment foundation spreading truth about complex gun laws. His wife is leading the charge on "hold my guns" a nonprofit designed to legally hold firearms for those with mental health issues and return them when they are ready.

He is very good for the 2a community on an outreach level. Being some random dude from PA there's no background of professional training so I agree his reviews are trash but don't write off everything with his name on it because of a stupid video. His reviews do suck it is just not this video on a Taurus.
 
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Seen it. He makes some good points in that particular video, but conflating actual experience and expertise with "being a gun counter know-it-all" is not the same. Saying "some people regurgitate fuddlore or speak to topics outside their wheelhouse" isn't an argument, it's deflection.

I am comfortable that I know how to run and maintain revolvers because I (a) maintained a range rental fleet of revolvers comprised of several brands, (b) have shot them pretty regularly in competition for a decade (as recently as the State CMP Service Revolver match in which I medaled), and (c) have tried to glean as much info as possible from long-term high-volume revolver users like Darryl Bolke and Caleb Giddings. I have seen what works and I have seen what causes issues with my stable of revolvers and dozens of others.

If a car reviewer barely knew how to drive stick and made a video complaining that car kept stalling, would you disregard the people saying "it's a stick, you have to use the clutch and gas pedals correctly, and you need to be wary of uphill starts" as know-it-alls?
 
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Squanchy said:
He knows nothing about revolvers. His audience is from his weekly gun news updates which are high quality and typically well written. Adam Kraut used to be on that channel before joining the 2nd amendment foundation spreading truth about complex gun laws. His wife is leading the charge on "hold my guns" a nonprofit designed to legally hold firearms for those with mental health issues and return them when they are ready.

He is very good for the 2a community on an outreach level. Being some random dude from PA there's no background of professional training so I agree his reviews are trash but don't write off everything with his name on it because of a stupid video. His reviews do suck it is just not this video on a Taurus.
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I miss Adam Kraut because his presentations were absolutely correct on legal proceedings and standards. Not a typical YouTube lawyer.

Jon Patton's a fun "news" anchor and I enjoy TGC News! Occasional dad jokes and constant ragging on Sig... it's fine as long as you skip the ad segments. I just cringe when I see "reviews" from people that (i) don't know how to shoot well as a general matter and (ii) display a dearth of technical knowledge. When a large population of the ignorant (not meant as an insult, I just mean people that don't know better like newer shooters or non-revolver shooters) can and do look to these folks for reviews, it does everyone a disservice by entrenching ignorance and technically-bad information into opinions.
 
I agree, but to be fair I'm not sure I've seen a revolver review where they spoke to the maintenance requirements vs a typical semi auto. Even if the gun ran flawless the maintenance needs would sway the majority of people in the market for a Taurus revolver. Speaking in generalities but most Taurus owners / want to own a Taurus seem to fall into two categories 1- I just want a Revolver to collect dust or 2 - how many parts can I swap to s&w stuff when it breaks.

I miss Adams videos too, I subscribe to Matt Larosiere "this week in guns" and sometimes he posts to fud busters for legal stuff but it just is not the same.
 
Squanchy said:
I agree, but to be fair I'm not sure I've seen a revolver review where they spoke to the maintenance requirements vs a typical semi auto.
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Neither have I. It’s been raised in the P&S revolver podcasts, but those are several hours long and “dry” as far as entertainment goes. Old cops talking for hours about old guns, speedloaders, belt gear, concealment, first-hand experiences on people and animals with different revolver calibers, mechanical failures, and running training classes.
 
Tough crowd on the interwebs. The guy is just trying to make a living 🤣 . My son recommended to me, many years ago, that I put together a video for new gun owners and post it on You Tube. Nope. The internet eats its own.
 
Ok, openly admitting my ignorance. Why is "staging" a revolver bad?

I have a couple revolvers which I shoot well single-action; not so well double-action. Someone told me to "stage" the double-action shot; I have tried it and it seemed to improve my accuracy. I have tried practicing smooth double action shots, and that improved some, but not as much as staging.

I'm not Jerry Miculek cranking out hours of practice; I spend more practice time with my semi carry pistols. I would like to improve my revolver shooting but haven't invested the time it needs.

Seriously, I am soliciting input on how to improve and if "staging" is a short-term fix that causes long-term issues please explain.

If you just have to let your flame out that's OK too; I have thick skin. However, I am hoping to learn.
 
For range fun staging is not bad. If you carry a DA revolver for defense, you're not going to have time to stage your revolver. You're going to pull that trigger all the way back. So, why not practice how you'll be shooting and get used to it? Dry fire is an excellent way to practice DA shooting.
 
Elenaidan said:
Tough crowd on the interwebs. The guy is just trying to make a living 🤣 . My son recommended to me, many years ago, that I put together a video for new gun owners and post it on You Tube. Nope. The internet eats its own.
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NBC's Brian Williams was just trying to make a living, too. He didn't let the truth get in the way of a story, either.
 
Car0linab0y said:
Ok, openly admitting my ignorance. Why is "staging" a revolver bad?

I have a couple revolvers which I shoot well single-action; not so well double-action. Someone told me to "stage" the double-action shot; I have tried it and it seemed to improve my accuracy. I have tried practicing smooth double action shots, and that improved some, but not as much as staging.

I'm not Jerry Miculek cranking out hours of practice; I spend more practice time with my semi carry pistols. I would like to improve my revolver shooting but haven't invested the time it needs.

Seriously, I am soliciting input on how to improve and if "staging" is a short-term fix that causes long-term issues please explain.

If you just have to let your flame out that's OK too; I have thick skin. However, I am hoping to learn.
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Staging has been around for a long time. If you look at old PPC revolvers, every once in a while you will come across one with a squishy rubber pad behind the trigger that acts as a staging aid. That allowed guys (back in the heydays of bullseye) to simulate single action shooting in DA-only events.

A couple reasons why it’s not ideal:

- staging as a technique doesn’t translate across different mechanisms, frame sizes, trigger shapes, and grip sizes. What works for one hand and finger length on a j-frame won’t work on k-frame won’t work on a Python. Coil spring actions are usually easier to stage, some leaf springs actions less so. It’s rare that it works with a DA semi-auto.

What will always work on any gun, revolver or not, is adding smooth and consistent rearward pressure to the trigger while holding the gun aligned with the target as still as possible. Smooth doesn’t mean slow, it just means continuous and even regardless of speed.

If you dedicate a portion of your daily dry fire to doing blank wall drills or coin drills with a smooth double action revolver pull, your shooting ability will skyrocket. Turn that practice into drills like “trigger control at speed” from Ben Stoeger or Caleb Giddings’ “shoot-reset” drill, and there won’t be a reasonable trigger on God’s green earth that could prevent you from making an accurate shot.

Master the double action pull and you master handgun shooting.

- staging reinforces mental blocks like “over-aiming” and anticipating the break, instead of building the confidence to make an accurate shot happen. You should not be aiming for a “surprise” break—you should feel in control of taking shots.

Breaking the trigger stroke up into steps reinforces the belief that you cannot trust your brain, eyes, and hands to keep the sights aligned while pulling the trigger—like the double action stroke is out of your control until the very end.

It’s worth it to master (or at least get really comfortable with) DA shooting.
 
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