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Never like them any way...... just a gimmick, still have my pants loop and my finger.

Just smoke and mirrors, because we all know that the bad guys are destroying there bumb stocks right now as we speak (put eye roll here)
 
and I know it’s the point of banning something gun related that has infringed on our rights but what can we do....vote them out of office....and put in someone else that will look after us....hahahahahahahahHa!!!!!
yeah right
 
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If they can just decide that something is a machine gun, can't they just decide that an SBR is anything with a barrel less than, say, 30"? You're not adding rules or anything, just changing the definition. Give uncle sugar $200 to keep it, or follow these rules on destroying it, blah blah.

If one, why not the other?
 
THE PUNISHER said:
Never like them any way...... just a gimmick, still have my pants loop and my finger.

Just smoke and mirrors, because we all know that the bad guys are destroying there bumb stocks right now as we speak (put eye roll here)
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Yeah, who needs or wants them anyway. Sorta like the 1.5lb triggers some people have. Who's gonna speak up for those when they decide you don't need them either????
 
grungewehr39 said:
Yeah, who needs or wants them anyway. Sorta like the 1.5lb triggers some people have. Who's gonna speak up for those when they decide you don't need them either????
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Who spoke up for the bumb stocks? And obummercare? Taxes? I can go on forever the point I want to make is we are screwed and no one has our backs. No matter how/who we “vote” for the Constitution and bill of rights are slowly faiding away and nobody cares.....sad day for our nation is coming and a shot will not be fired to start or stop it.
 
The ATF which falls under the executive branch is supposed to enforce the law. Congress is to make laws. The Judical branch interprets the laws. The ATF has overstepped it’s power.

By definition it’s not full auto, the trigger is being pulled each time, so I don’t see how it can fall Under the already unconstitutional NFA act.

I’ve long said if we see gun control in the near future, a Republican Administration could get it through with less hassle, thus the danger in a populist Republican. You also won’t see the same outrage that would have happened if this would have been done under Obama. A democratic president with Republican Congress caused wonderful gridlock on these issues.

I don’t care what your political party is when you’re infringing the people’s liberty. This is where a Rand Paul with liberty idealism and the bill of rights as a priority, or maybe even a Cruz I’d of trusted more than a Populist Trump.
 
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THE PUNISHER said:
I can go on forever the point I want to make is we are screwed and no one has our backs. No matter how/who we “vote” for the Constitution and bill of rights are slowly fading away and nobody cares.....sad day for our nation is coming and a shot will not be fired to start or stop it.
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That is inaccurate.

"we are screwed"

No, we're not. We are screwed only if we allow ourselves to be screwed. If we get screwed, we've no one to blame but ourselves.


"no one has our backs"

Au contraire mon frere. There's quite a few and the number grows every day. Liberty is more popular than you may think. Do not listen to the media. They will tell you, "the American people want this...they want common sense reforms...they want a ban on semi-automatic rifles...they want restrictions on magazine capacities." That...is...horsesh*t. If the American people really wanted all that, then why have gun/accessory sales, specifically ARs/ variants, went through the roof in the last decade?


"No matter how/who we vote for"

Your rights do not begin nor do they end with who you vote for or against. We have got to rid ourselves of this mentality that the only rights we have are what we're "allowed" to have by politicians. That is complete bullsh*t and goes against every tenet upon which we are founded.


"the Constitution and bill of rights are slowly fading away and nobody cares"

Think so? I bet all those folks in NY, who openly defied and burned registration papers, I bet they care. What about those folks in CT? Seems a lot of them aren't to keen on registering anything, seeing as how the compliance rate is in the single digits. Yeah, folks care and they're doing something about it...they're saying, "NO....I'm not complying."

Citizens, all.


It's not "their" liberty to take...it's yours, but first, you've gotta convince that dude in the mirror that it's worth hanging on to...no matter what. Many have done just that and many more make that decision daily. That keeps happening, and we might just have ourselves a republic full of free, independent people.
 
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For those that own them, will Drumph offer to reimburse the full amount paid?

I know some that acquired them under the Hussein OhBummer regime and paid cash because they didn't trust those Socialists/Marxists to allow them to keep the slippy stocks.

Is NOW the time to list them on Gunbroker?
 
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Pink_Vapor said:
For those that own them, will Drumph offer to reimburse the full amount paid?

I know some that acquired them under the Hussein OhBummer regime and paid cash because they didn't trust those Socialists/Marxists to allow them to keep the slippy stocks.

Is NOW the time to list them on Gunbroker?
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If he does, I paid $17,000.00 for the one I am claiming.
 
"On December 18, 2018, Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker announced that the Department of Justice has amended the regulations of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), clarifying that bump stocks fall within the definition of “machinegun” under federal law, as such devices allow a shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger."
Matt doesn't know what he's talking about. I really hope someone with time and money takes them to task.
 
Pink_Vapor said:
For those that own them, will Drumph offer to reimburse the full amount paid?

I know some that acquired them under the Hussein OhBummer regime and paid cash because they didn't trust those Socialists/Marxists to allow them to keep the slippy stocks.

Is NOW the time to list them on Gunbroker?
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Yep. If you want to sell it at a nice profit, the time is now, or at least very near. But I'm expecting the sites to delete the ads, or at least they will be flagged by those that think you're gouging.

I'm already seeing ads on Armslist stating get them before the ban is enacted.
 
And with that, Donald J. Trump, Republican has, by Executive action, instituted more gun control than Barack H. Obama, Democrat.

But man, were some of you guys right....last election was just too consequential...too critical for principle.

Why, had men been brave enough to take a principled stand, the government would continue to chip away at the Second Amendment!
 
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Pink_Vapor said:
"On December 18, 2018, Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker announced that the Department of Justice has amended the regulations of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), clarifying that bump stocks fall within the definition of “machinegun” under federal law, as such devices allow a shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger."
Matt doesn't know what he's talking about. I really hope someone with time and money takes them to task.
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that's blatantly false right there. There is not a single pull of the trigger. A judge named Hellen Keller could see that!!!
 
SPM said:
And with that, Donald J. Trump, Republican has, by Executive action, instituted more gun control than Barack H. Obama, Democrat.

But man, were some of you guys right....last election was just too consequential...too critical for principle.

Why, had men been brave enough to take a principled stand, the government's would continue to chip away at the Second Amendment!
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I was torn between writing in Rand or Cruz... I chose Cruz.
 
wsfiredude said:
Continually kicking an active hornet's nest is pretty damned stupid. It's a splendid way to get your ass stung.

buzz buzz.
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The problem is the ones that make the decisions are too far removed from the people and potential consequences. But if there followers and enablers start paying for their decisions it will be interesting to see what happens.
 
CZfool68 said:
The problem is the ones that make the decisions are too far removed from the people and potential consequences. But if there followers and enablers start paying for their decisions it will be interesting to see what happens.
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It'd quickly be spun as "evil gun owners are killing now, you're children's only hope is for you to turn your neighbors and family members in that own thunder sticks."
 
Gentlemen cherish your Liberty it’s yours to keep and defend. To Hell with any laws past,present and future that try to render your Liberty null and void.
 
Pink_Vapor said:
I was torn between writing in Rand or Cruz... I chose Cruz.
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I voted for Trump in the General, but not in the primary. The libertarian party ticket wasn’t libertarian, no good choices.

I wrote some long winded posts back during the 2016 Primary about the Dangers of a populist, and about Trump doing this. Hate to say to some of those Primary Trump Supporters on here who thought he was the right guy for your second amendment right, but told you so. Trumps good at shaking a lot of things up, and some good comes out of that, but as far as the Bill of Rights is concerned, that’s not more important to him than what others think. The negotiator will negotiate your rights away if it’s popular, or in his narcissistic interest.
 
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grungewehr39 said:
that's blatantly false right there. There is not a single pull of the trigger. A judge named Hellen Keller could see that!!!
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I’ve never used one, so forgive what might be a stupid question. To use a bump stock do you consciously pull the trigger for each shot, or do you pull and hold while the gun wobbles about in a semi-controlled way? If the latter, then how is this different from connecting an actuator or motor to the trigger mechanism so you pull and hold an electronic switch but the actual trigger is activated rapidly, simulating full auto fire; I believe that such items are already prohibited.

Not saying that any of these things should be prohibited, just that their interpretation on a bump stock may not be straining the bounds of reason too far given existing prohibitions. They still have to deal with walking back their prior interpretations, but that’s pretty easy. We tend to think of the difference between full and semi auto being a few internal parts, but why not something external? Why not a trick stock?

For those of you tempted to jump to conclusions, I don’t support any gun control. My point is only that their approach is not as weak as we would like to think it is.

J R Green said:
I don't see this passing Constitutional muster because you are not being compensated for the property.
Even with the original machine gun ban people had an amnesty period to register their guns.
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I agree that this will be a problem.
 
JimB said:
I’ve never used one, so forgive what might be a stupid question. To use a bump stock do you consciously pull the trigger for each shot, or do you pull and hold while the gun wobbles about in a semi-controlled way? If the latter, then how is this different from connecting an actuator or motor to the trigger mechanism so you pull and hold an electronic switch but the actual trigger is activated rapidly, simulating full auto fire; I believe that such items are already prohibited.

Not saying that any of these things should be prohibited, just that their interpretation on a bump stock may not be straining the bounds of reason too far given existing prohibitions. They still have to deal with walking back their prior interpretations, but that’s pretty easy. We tend to think of the difference between full and semi auto being a few internal parts, but why not something external? Why not a trick stock?

For those of you tempted to jump to conclusions, I don’t support any gun control. My point is only that their approach is not as weak as we would like to think it is.


I agree that this will be a problem.
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sorta like the tail wagging the dog.
 
JimB said:
I’ve never used one, so forgive what might be a stupid question. To use a bump stock do you consciously pull the trigger for each shot, or do you pull and hold while the gun wobbles about in a semi-controlled way? .
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The latter. The finger presses the trigger back for each round fired.
 
Pink_Vapor said:
The latter. The finger presses the trigger back for each round fired.
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What he said. You still pull a trigger for each shot. So now, several videos on youtube will pop up with people showing how to do this without a special stock and a new cry out for a ban on evil black rifles follows.
 
It's not viable. No one uses this in war or law enforcement. If it were any good, reliable or accurrate someone official would be using it. But, it's a gimmick, so they don't. So, why ban it?
 
It's really sad to see people here turn on the best friggin president we've had in our lifetime for piece of shart plastic crap, and there's no principle to it. Go ahead and vote for your air politicians that make as much difference as playing air guitar makes music just to make yourselves feel like you took a stand. You did nothing but aid the enemy.

I own a bumpstock and it has zero value in realizing the purpose of the 2nd amendment. Just because it's firearm related doesn't make it something to plant your flag on. Get off your high horse and get real. Choose battles that mean something and quit being so offended by so little.
 
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