CO 17yr student suspended for Snatpchat photo of a rifle

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  1. Button Pusher

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    She held a pistol while her brother, who is in the US Military, held his AR rifle.
    The school says she did not break any specific policy but suspended her for a full week.

     
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    Here is the picture in question. I guess this is suspension worthy. (Sarcasm)
     
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    Gnash.Hyena Hyena with a Gun! Oh no!

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    I can see why *some* sort of disciplinary action would be considered. The middle finger, the rags, the threatening posture and the Confederate flag would give reason for concern to the average person. I think a week suspension is a bit much, but if I were one of the school staff, I'd want to sit down with the kid and parents for a talk on why this sort of thing could be taken the wrong way or interpreted as a problem waiting to happen. This isn't about gun rights, this is about the fact that the kid and her brother are dressed up as terrorists, and would be capable of acting as such with the presented gear.

    EDIT: before any others decide to chip in, I've already been shown my initial assumptions and assertions were incorrect, and had my opinion changed accordingly. The kids here are fine and no, they didn't deserve to be suspended.
     
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    Because of hanging a bird? Or for covering their faces?

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    I am so glad this is my kid’s last year in high school ... but then I still have college to worry about :eek:.​
     
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    So? What laws or rules have been broken? Who was directly threatened? None!!! Nobody!!! If you do think someone was threatened, exactly who do you think it was? Some people seem to make a hobby out of looking for things to offend them. Was this part of the school program or was this on their own time with nothing to do with school? I bet the girl and her brother were not on school grounds with those firearms. Why is it any business of the school? This is another example of prepunishment for something that has not happened.
     
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    Why have schools been given so much authority over students when not a school? This is total bullsh*t, everybody that is evolved in this needs to be fired and banned from teaching for life.
     
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    Gnash.Hyena Hyena with a Gun! Oh no!

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    Would you want your kid acting like this? Like some Antifa thug in a mask getting ready to "act tough" and shoot someone? Would you say the same thing about a bunch of black boys posing with guns they found acting like they're the next thug life street king? Or would you sit down with them and warn them that if they keep going down that path they're going to end up dead on the streets or in prison? This isn't about the guns, this is about the attitude the kids get when they think they're the next tough kid on the block, just because they have said guns.
     
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    Homeschool is the answer. I may want to suspend them for being a-holes, but gun pictures get extra credit.
     
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    Some folks here just like to hallucinate and then argue with the phantasm. I also am concerned that two teenagers dressed up like terrorists and posed with weapons.

    They didnt break a law and concern isn't legal action. I agree suspension is too much. But nothing at all is too little. Their parents should handle this as they see fit.
     
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    I'm not quite sure when schools gained the ability to punish kids for ANYTHING not related to/happening on school grounds.
     
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    So now you’re jumping to the conclusion that they’re antifa thugs? There is zero backstory on the image.

    still, it’s irrelevant as unless it was on school grounds and or during school hours, the school has zero authority.
     
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    This, and they admit no policy was broken. My kid would get a talking to about the Internet and then we would take a vacation week since we were out of school anyway.
     
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    Ok...question time. I recently put on my trench coat,, grabbed my trench shotgun and jumped into a 5 foot deep trench at the place i work at to take some photos, that I then posted online. If I post that picture how is it markedly different?

    Edit: pretty solid trigger control on their part
     
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    I might sit my own children down and tell them that their actions were not very good but I would not want the school to get involved with something that is none of their business.

    My right to speak as I desire should be respected until I make threats. No threats were made here. Hurting someone's tender feelings is not a crime the last time I checked.

    As far as other races are concerned, look at their "music" if you want to see much worse that does not even raise the eyebrows of snowflakes looking to be offended.
     
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    Looks like Halloween to me.

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    Yes, but there's that annoying Freedom of Speech thing. ;)
     
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    Yeah, I’d be raising holy hell with the school district and suing the ever living hell out of every person involved with any action taken against this kid.

    This is overreach at it’s finest and it shouldn’t be tolerated by anyone, period.
     
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    Not a suit you’d win IMHO, but here in America you can pic whatever fight you want and can afford.

    Not sure what the school should do, or even how they found the picture. I suppose I’d want them to send it to the parents with an email explaining how they found it and why it concerns them. If they are really concerned they can copy local law enforcement. But, it’s not cause for suspension unless there is a safety concern, which would be determined by law enforcement and not the school.
     
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    They have their freedom of speech, yes. The same way black kids that want to pretend to be "gangsta" can pretend to be practicing free speech. You know that's not what this is about though. I firmly expect that the people celebrating these kids here would be throwing them to the curb and slinging insults left and right if they were black kids with Hi Points doing the same thing, instead of white kids in front of a Confederate battle flag. If the tables were turned, these kids would *not* be receiving the same defense.

    Me? I think these kids are hoodlums and the masks reek of being up to no good. I'll applaud them for the trigger discipline, but that's only because the boy's military experience had that ingrained in his head. This photograph does not read as "two young adults embracing their right to firearms ownership." The body language is entirely "We got a gat and we gonna shoot you." The message in that photo is intimidation, whether it's genuine or not. I don't care if this is a "halloween costume." They are using their possession of firearms to suggest threats of use of those firearms against their peers, the exact same way gangbanger wannabes make those stupid videos about themselves acting hard with their guns. The parents should be ashamed of themselves for allowing their children to get this far with such a misplaced view of what a firearm is for, and I pray they talk some sense into their kids before they go and hurt someone, because that is *not* media attention we need right now. "Teens caught posting selfies with firearms charged with murdering classmates" is something we need to prevent here, and it starts with teaching children not to act a fool. Not taking away their guns. Not introducing legislation. Not limiting anyone's freedom in any way. But by actually taking the time to be a better parent.

    Should the school be the one to dole out the discipline? Absolutely not. The state has no business telling anyone how to live their lives, not the least of which through an institution that should never have been created in the first place, and has only lowered education standards since its founding. But someone *does* need to discipline these kids. I hope it's the parents. The school should have reached out to them to ask them to administer said discipline rather than making a statement of authority through their own power. For the parents to adequately explain to these children that a firearm is a defensive tool meant for maintaining liberty from tyranny, freedom from oppression and continuance of personal safety, and not for making idle threats or promoting a blustering image of ignorant machismo. But if the parents failed to adequately discipline these two, to demonstrate that you don't go acting a fool and expect to get away with it? Then the kids absolutely need to be suspended until they do learn, because they're not safe around the other children, and the parents aren't making an effort to change that.
     
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    I do not think anyone would really take much notice since it seems to be culturally acceptable for the hip hop people to celebrate such activities in their "music" and in their daily lives. There is certainly a double standard, but it is 180 degrees from what you suggest. One child can wear a BLM shirt and an X cap to school and not even be noticed, but another child can wear a stars and bars cap to school and be the center of outrage for a long time.
     
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    They were working on their new music video. ;)
     
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    So you are suggesting that the school should not dole out the discipline but should tell the parents how to discipline their children at home for something done at home that did not threaten anyone at school and should dole out the said discipline if they think the children have not adequately learned that their private behavior at home is not what they want it to be.
     
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    Can ya'll imagine their concern if they came here???
     
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    Some people just go through life looking for things to be offended by.

    White people with flags, OMG!!!!!!

    Mule Days would put them in ICU.
     
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    Yup, plenty of safe spaces to violate if the kid's going to attend higher level indoctrination!
     
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    Gnash.Hyena Hyena with a Gun! Oh no!

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    I am suggesting that these kids are being obnoxious brats and need to have their asses beat for dressing up as terrorists and somehow thinking that's socially acceptable.
     
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    Gnash.Hyena Hyena with a Gun! Oh no!

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    Indeed Billy, indeed you are.

    Oh please. I've got a few Confederate flags myself, and I firmly believe in states' rights over federal authority in all cases, just as the founders of the CSA did. I'd have been wearing grey just the same as you sound like you would be, had I been alive in that era. But do you honestly believe that the best way to honor Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis and their peers is to dress up like a couple of terrorists, hiding behind masks? Stooping down like thugs in front of one of our flags, draped on debris like some discarded piece of cloth? No. This is trash and you know it's trash. This isn't about respecting the flag, states' rights or pride in oneself or one's state. They chose the imagery they did because they knew it would stand a greater chance of fear mongering among their targets. They meant to use what symbols they could to be as potentially offensive as possible to the greatest number of people. They're besmirching the names of those men who fought with honor and dignity for Confederate values, by stooping like animals and hiding behind a terrorists' mask. If you can't see that, then you are no son of the Confederacy. You're a tool using the reactions of the misinformed to sow fear and discord rather than Southern pride, just as they are. They should be ashamed for using the flag of great men as a fearmongering tactic, and so should all of you for supporting their flippant disgrace in doing so.
     
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    How did you come to that conclusion?

    These folks threatening people, too?

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    Yeah?

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    I do not totally disagree with you on that. I do think the school should have no part in it. That is none of their business.

    I do have a question for those who have had the experience to comment. Do our military folks serving in the Middle East wear the scarves to protect their faces? I seem to have noticed that some seem to be pictured with them and have seen vets from that conflict wearing them. Are those two in the picture actually dressed as terrorists or as soldiers fighting against terrorists, foreign or domestic? It seems as if the boy in the picture is in the military and has served in the Middle East.
     
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    Stop thinking logically...we’ll have none of that.
     
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    Sorry. I will try to behave myself in the future.
     
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    200+ years ago, those kids mighta been sporting tricorn hats, muskets, powder horns and buckskin bags....

    Menaces to society.
     
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    Gnash.Hyena Hyena with a Gun! Oh no!

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    I mean, if y'all really want to equate children acting a fool for attention and to scare their peers into thinking they're gonna get ganked to revolutionaries fighting against a tyrannical state, and want to equate the American revolution to brats acting like gangbanger thugs, you go right on ahead. I hope your children will also grow up to be bright shining examples of street thuggery and provocative cyberbullying the moment they have a weapon in hand as well, just like these two. I'm glad to know you think so little of our forefathers actively taking up arms against an overreaching, oppressive monarch to found our nation, that you would compare them to children trying to act tough on the Internet.
     
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    Who are you to deem what's socially acceptable? If no laws were broken (they weren't) and no one was harmed (no one wasn't), then people ought to be minding their own damned business and not having an opinion at all.

    Who else should have their asses beat for not acting the way you think they should? SMDH.
     
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    Yeah, this is total bullshit - you sound like a lib/prog with this race baiting crap. Who else do you want to throw under the bus?

    No one here is celebrating anything,.... they just wish people would mind their own FRIGGIN business.
     
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