Cracked stock opinions wanted

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  1. Pbj ak

    Pbj ak 10-4 keep’em comin Supporting Member

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    So I was tinkering with a stock on my cz455 and found it has a small crack. The stock is the Boyd’s tacticool stock that the cz came in and it’s chambered in 22lr. The crack is located under the bottom metal between the trigger and where the mag is inserted. The only reason I found it was I had the rifle propped up on my kids playhouse and it happened to fall over. Afterward I went to check zero and it was off about 4 inches to the left at 50 yards. After we all came inside I took it apart checking to see if anything was loose and found the crack.
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    My question is, will this affect function and is there anyway to fix it with epoxy or something else? Or should I go ahead and tell the wife it’s lost and upgrade to a chassis? I’ve been wanting to try one of the krg chassis systems but didn’t plan on spending the coin just yet. I did mention it to her being were supposedly getting a “trump check” so the seed has been planned. Anyway, any thoughts on a temporary fix or other options would be much appreciated.

    Zack
     
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    Boyds gives a 90 day warranty from the date of purchase, but I would send 'em the pictures anyway.
     
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    Caveat...I barely know which end of a rifle should point where...

    If there’s no warranty help available, and if that stock is wood, I’d get some white glue down into the crack and clamp the stock (putting leather or cloth between the clamp and the stock to avoid gouging) for about 24 hours. Properly done, a white glue joint will actually be stronger than the fibers of wood.
     
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    If no warranty, I would bring it to a local luthier. They have the proper glue and expertise.
     
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    The problem that I've always had getting glue into such cracks is trying to apply just enough pressure to hold the crack open while I'm getting the glue into the crack. Open the crack too little and the glue just sits on the surface. Open the crack too much and you've worsened the problem. (I've had to replace more than a couple cracked handguards being heavy handed!).

    Either a syringe or dental floss can be used to work the glue into the crack and then clamp shut. As stated, woodworkers glue is the smart choice. It makes a solid bond, gives you plenty of working time and cleans up easily.
     
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    Pbj ak 10-4 keep’em comin Supporting Member

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    Dang, you guys are awesome. Post a problem, go to sleep, and bam, wake up with the answer.

    Good thinking with the 90 day warranty. I guess I should have mentioned I picked this up used and I’ve modified the stock so I don’t think it’s under warranty anymore☹️. But I’m pretty sure I’ve got some wood glue in a tool bag around here somewhere so I’ll get to working on this directly.

    Thanks for all the input fellas, I’ll be sure and post a follow up when it’s back in action.
     
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    Go to the drugstore and get syringes with the biggest nettle you can get.
    Drill the smallest hole that will fit the nettle, not all the way thru the stock.
    Fill the nettle with the glue of your choice and insert into the hole.
    Try to force as much glue into the crack as you can as you slowly pull the nettle out.
     
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    ^^^ this from the inside with Brownells Acra-Glas or Titebond II or III, tape or use modeling clay the bottom and both ends of the crack to keep it from ruining the finish.
     
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    The white glue I’ve used (including for assembly in furniture factories) dries clear, very slowly. Once you’re done applying the glue, you can remove any excess from the surface with a sponge or damp paper towel. ;)
     
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    Good suggestiosn for the gluing & clamping. As for the after-party...
    Another trick for finished wood is to clamp the crack together & wax the surrounding area (clamping keeps wax out of crack*). Apply glue sparingly, let it bead up out of the crack, DO NOT wipe it around, let it dry. Carefully "snap" it off with a sharp chisel when it's dried, the wipe the wax off with a rag dampened with mineral spirits.

    If you wipe wet glue off, you often smear it around in a thin layer that is almost impossible to clean when dry w/o damaging the existing finish.


    *EDIT: Use this handy tip in your other recreational pursuits, too! ;)
     
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    The Boyds stocks aren't always a perfect fit. Before you attempt a repair, fit the metal back and make sure it fits correctly...…. IE the bottom metal should drop in place or have to be gently pushed in place. If you need to tighten the action screws to force the bottom metal in place, fix it first.
    That crack..... shouldn't make a difference on how the rifle performs.

    The above suggestions sound good! I'll throw another cracker patch idea in...… if you can spread the crack enough to get an ice cream stick in...….. Open the crack and use the ice cream stick to get some epoxy in there..... Gently clamp it shut, wipe off the excess and let dry.

    They syringe idea was good.... Might need a syringe with a larger opening..... but this is a good idea.
     
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    A GREAT and inexpensive clamp is surgical tubing. Wrap it over itself, then around the stock, odd shaped piece to be repaired and tuck the end under a wrap. Bingo even clamping from all directions. Lowe’s & HD sell it in the plumbing section. I got the idea from Brownells great series of books ‘Gunsmith Kinks’.
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    Says the man with a lifetime's experience with furniture....I'd go with this if I was not sending it back.
     
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    Hit it with some super glue. It will draw into the crack by capillary action. Wrap it up with an old inner tube or a crap load of rubber bands to hold it in place. Just give it time to cure because it isn’t instant like most people think.
     
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    To expound on this... make sure you get the "thin" super glue. The medium or thick doesn't draw into cracks very well.
    https://www.rockler.com/quick-set-glue-4-5-oz
     
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    So, mrs pbj pickled up some wood glue with her food order yesterday. I ended up using a piece of sewing thread to get the glue into the crack. I tried floss but ours is too flat and wide to get in there easily compared to the thread. I’ve got it clamped together with a c clamp. After it dries I’m going to sand some of the rough edges on the inside of the stock that are bugging me and try to get the courage to paint it. Hoping to do a Krylon camo job but I guess we’ll see.

    Thanks for all the input fellas, and if you notice anything else I might have overlooked don’t hesitate to chime in. A44CF3D6-0015-4F69-B6DA-1ECFDFC77F40.jpeg
     
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    This seems to be the preferred method of repairing M-1 Garand stocks over on the CMP forum. And there's a bunch of them been repaired, trying to preserve the old stuff.

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    in the picture above it looks like there is a hairline crack going up the upper side of the crack, it may be glue or just something else either just mentioning. As far as ways to do it the wood glue works as good as anything else just make sure you've let it cure properly and you'll be set.
     
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    Good looking out @eddie0225, that little line is where the bottom metal pushed into the wood and removed a little bit of paint.

    Hopefully around lunch time it’ll be set up and ready to go. That will have been 24 hours in the clamp.
     
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    I'm late, use small amount of water on the area to be glued, then apply glue. The wood glue wicks into the wood, says Norm from Old Yankee Workshop.
     
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    A great trick for epoxy and I think fiberglass resin, use white vinegar to clean it up before it hardens. MUCH better on many surfaces than solvents.
     
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    @Pbj ak I saw the post you made the other day and decided to look at the same spot on my 455 tatcticool. This is what I found. The gun is new, unfired. Looks like the start of the same thing on yours. It's not all the way through but it's hard to tell if it's the wood or the coating.

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    @Paradigm .45

    That’s cray man. I didn’t think to look online to see if this was a wide spread problem. I ended going the wood glue route to fix mine and I can’t really tell any difference in accuracy. I have been looking at the krg bravo stocks though.

    Any thoughts on what your going to do?
     
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    @Pbj ak I think I may, start with contacting Boyd's and go from there. Just see what they say. I mean the gun is brand new just purchased so if nothing else I'll get them to replace it.
     
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    I moved mine over to one of those fancy laminate stocks, but have the factory one sitting here. Mine isn’t cracked, but I never remembered how rough looking it was inside, and bare wood in a couple spots where they had labels.
     
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    Pbj ak 10-4 keep’em comin Supporting Member

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    I’d be interested to hear what they say. Surely they would replace it.

    Mines pretty rough on the inside as well and I thought about sanding on it but figured with my luck I’d end up sanding something I shouldn’t.
     
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    I sent them an email and included the same pictures. I'll let you guys know what they say.

    Edit, they just replied. Looks Im going through cz and the dealer.

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    Apropos of nothing...

    I noticed the stock producer is located in Mitchell, SD. 100 years ago, my grandfather and his brothers built what was a then an enormous building in Mitchell’s downtown. I wonder whether it still stands.

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    Dunno...but I think the Corn Palace is still there. :D
     
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    Just shipped the rifle out to CZ for the warranty claim today. Now we wait lol
     
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    It was still there as of last year when I was in Mitchell

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    Got the 455 back today exactly three weeks from when I sent it off to CZ for repair. Has a brand new tacticool stock. This one's actually nicer than the one it originally came with as it passes the dollar bill test for the free float Barrel. The other one needed to be sanded down quite a bit so I'm pretty happy with this. Now to get out and get everything sighted it in!
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