CRB sides with family of Keith Scott in CMPD fatal shooting appeal

[noway2]

I'm sure it happens more with officers that are on their own like troopers, state police or in documented bad areas.

Absolutely. I'm sure there is a bit of fear factor involved too. The more concerned they are about confronting an armed aggressive individual, the more likely they will perceive armed aggressive individuals. It's kind of like how when you buy a car that you think I'd unique and all of a sudden everyone else is driving the same car.

 

[9outof10mms]

So, does the CRB findings carry any legal weight? Will CMPD actually re-open the investigation now?

Doesn't matter. The perception damage has been done--the dye is cast. The majority of people who're looking for ay shred of hope/reason to fry the cops will use it as an official finding. And when/f the CRB is ignored because they're just a band of concerned citizens who know better than the law, everyone will scream foul play and accuse CMPD of covering up "findings."

I'm all for having citizen involvement, review, and opinion. But they need to be trained and founded in rules/laws they are overseeing. This is as reckless as arming 3 year olds to patrol the streets.

 

[9outof10mms]

I'm not sure. But with that kind of finding they will be lucky to not be disbanded.

Never happen. Charlotte's liberal-ness is on par with Cary and other strongholds nowadays. It's always been there in the internal cloth. Only recently has it dominated in the surface politics.

 

[9outof10mms]

is this not what is happening here.

That's what the CRB (and other boards/committees like it) are intended to do, in a black and white sense (no pun intended). But the masses unfortunately cannot discern between a board's opinion and facts. They will point to the board's opinion as overriding and cause to hang people.

 

[9outof10mms]

...None of [them] carries the death penalty in NC...

Neither does me owning a bunch of items that can be used to kill...until I start to misuse those things (i.e. touch them when in the presence of a LEO who's rightfully enforcing the law upon me). It's like the components of a bomb: inert until mixed.


I think it's been objectively summarized best here in this thread already: CMPD could have done a better job in executing the warrant serving. Scott shouldn't have fondled a gun in their presence. A bunch of relatively inert chemicals mixed into a confined space and POOF!

 

[Cowboy]

Neither does me owning a bunch of items that can be used to kill...until I start to misuse those things (i.e. touch them when in the presence of a LEO who's rightfully enforcing the law upon me). It's like the components of a bomb: inert until mixed.


I think it's been objectively summarized best here in this thread already: CMPD could have done a better job in executing the warrant serving. Scott shouldn't have fondled a gun in their presence. A bunch of relatively inert chemicals mixed into a confined space and POOF!

That is to much common sense man. Heads will explode.

 

[Ikarus1]

Scott wasnt the subject of a warrant btw. He was a bonus mission for the Vinson 5

 

[SPST]

Scott was just a dumbass felon who had previously told his wife he wasn't going back to prison. Probably the reason why he did not comply with the officers orders. Especially since he was a felon carrying a gun....... I mean book.

 

[noway2]

Scott was just a dumbass felon who had previously told his wife he wasn't going back to prison.

Can't say as I blame him there. I have said that I will not go to prison and would rather die first. Fortunately, I am neither a felon nor do things felons do so I am not concerned about it.

 

[railsplitter]

I admittedly haven't devoted much time to anything relating to this case, but I did see the video. I counted about 28 seconds from the first command to drop the gun till the first sounds of gunfire, with at least 10 "drop the gun" commands in the same time frame. Scott was outside of the vehicle for the last 6 six seconds of the video before being fired upon.

I'm not going to argue whether this is a cut and dry case, but, at what point does a police officer have to wait before he decides someone with a weapon (ignoring half a minute of commands to drop it) is a deadly threat.

And his wife kept yelling "don't do it!". Sounds to me like she knew that he wasn't necessarily the type to play nice.

And this CRB group,.... what the heck?! Seems like they always come in on the back end of things after it's too late to change the outcome. Sounds to me like they should change their mission but keep the same acronym "CRB". But instead of it standing for citizen review board, it would stand for "Child Rearing Basics",.... maybe that way less people would be having less run-ins with LEO's.

 

[J R Green]

I have to wonder, how often do the cops SEE a gun when it isn't there? I'm talking about the well documented psychological mind trick where the brain fills in details and automatically makes things appear in familiar form. I mean see it to the point where they cold swear up and down and be subject to every metric and believe it because they actually saw it, even though it wasn't.

 

[J R Green]

Never happen. Charlotte's liberal-ness is on par with Cary and other strongholds nowadays. It's always been there in the internal cloth. Only recently has it dominated in the surface politics.

Problem here is when the CRB becomes more antagonist to the department rather than to smooth out public relations. The city of Charlotte won't pay to undermine themselves for very long.

 

[SPM]

Problem here is when the CRB becomes more antagonist to the department rather than to smooth out public relations. The city of Charlotte won't pay to undermine themselves for very long.

Did the CRB create the PR nightmare, or did the department?

What you're describing is a rubber stamp/janitor to clean up the mess, rather than a mechanism to encourage the behaviors that don't create messes to begin with.

 

[J R Green]

Wow. That video is your defense?

This is as low as Diane Sawyer's fraudulent video where they intentionally told the "bad guy" which good guy in the audience had the concealed weapon....

What's your answer then? How may bullets do they have to soak up before you will allow them to protect themselves?

How many would you take?

 

[J R Green]

Did the CRB create the PR nightmare, or did the department?

What you're describing is a rubber stamp/janitor to clean up the mess, rather than a mechanism to encourage the behaviors that don't create messes to begin with.

Not at all, my point all along was that they abide by the rules of evidence, the law and Department policy and not side with any one side because they don't like the outcome.

 

[SPM]

Not at all, my point all along was that they abide by the rules of evidence, the law and Department policy and not side with any one side because they don't like the outcome.

So they must abide by all the same processes that lead to the finding which the public has found so odious to begin with?

 

[The Green Heron]

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You know what that is^^^^^
That is the wheels on the big long money choo-choo that even now is being dedicated to the Scott family.
Not a one will give two $#!T$ whether anyone goes to jail, or who was in the wrong, etc ad nauseum, just as soon as the money choo-choo arrives at the station.
Here is what I'll never forget from the video Miss Scott herself made. "He bednot be daid! He bednot be daid!"
This from a woman who had taken out a restraining order on Him. She told them in the video he didn't have a gun, despite describing the gun he had on paper in the restraining order. Sorry I've got no use for these kinds of people. Judge Judy would carve this entire case up like 20 cans of cheap cranberry sauce.

 

[J R Green]

So they must abide by all the same processes that lead to the finding which the public has found so odious to begin with?

They have to adhere to the facts. Not just the "I don't like it so it's wrong" attitude. Thats what we have forums for.