DA vs Striker Fired AD and ND

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Its interesting reading how some people will never carry a striker fired gun a certain way because they are concerned about accidential discharge. However, they are comfortable carrying a DA that way.

For arguments sake, lets say the trigger pull on the striker fired is 5 lbs and 9 lbs for the DA. Are there that many instances where an object unintentionally comes into contact with a trigger where it would fire the striker fired but not the DA? In other words, does that extra 4 lbs of trigger pressure needed to fire the gun really cut down on AD/NDs?
 
Ilm said:
does that extra 4 lbs of trigger pressure needed to fire the gun really cut down on AD/NDs
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I say no. There is a point where it makes a difference, but it's outside the range of what we consider normal for carry guns. I think - and mind you I have zero data to back this up - under 3lbs and over 12lbs makes a difference. But anything between 3 and 12 falls in the same range of 'how likely is a ND?" Now how to test this...?
 
0724/1030 said:
The ability to reholster with your thumb over the hammer is not insignificant.
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Valid argument for some handguns. But not all DA handguns have external hammers.
 
I've never truly understood this argument for DA/SA honestly. How often are you reholstering a loaded pistol? Do people not normally put on their holster for daily carry while the pistol is still in it? Why are you reholstering your carry gun any way other than slowly and by taking your time?

It honestly feels to me like an extension of the "I don't carry with a round in the chamber" argument.
 
I believe there are different levels or types of holstering we need to look at and not sure your question has a straight forward answer. For example, are we talking about re-holstering under stress and chemical dumps into our blood streams. Or are we talking about range sessions we are able to mindfully re-holster paying attention the feel of the gun as we insert and push down.

To answer your question in general terms, no I don’t think that amount of weight is enough to make any significant difference in the overall scheme of things.
 
Length of trigger pull on a double action is also usually way longer. You have to “accidentally” pull the trigger a longer distance.

The trigger travel distance on striker fired is very short

Then you also have to consider the argument of how “preloaded is the striker” and how effective the drop safety mechanisms are. I’m not knowledgeable enough about the internal workings of each pistol to comment but perhaps some are
 
Catfish said:
I say no. There is a point where it makes a difference, but it's outside the range of what we consider normal for carry guns. I think - and mind you I have zero data to back this up - under 3lbs and over 12lbs makes a difference. But anything between 3 and 12 falls in the same range of 'how likely is a ND?" Now how to test this...?
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But there is also the length or trigger travel not just the poundage.
 
Average Joe said:
Valid argument for some handguns. But not all DA handguns have external hammers.
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Handguns without hammers are like a woman with no breasts. Yeah, I’ve had a few just to give it a try, but that’s no way to go through life. 😆
 
CZfool68 said:
Handguns without hammers are like a woman with no breasts. Yeah, I’ve had a few just to give it a try, but that’s no way to go through life. 😆
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Very valid argument!!!!
 
Trigger pull weight is marginally relevant. What matter is trigger travel distance. This where a TDA provides significant error margin for any user particularly under stress. I also personally prefer the design of having a firearm that cocks on slide opening rather than closing (striker guns). The only striker gun I trust is a Glock. otherwise its TDA only for me.
 
Agree that infrequently reholstering loaded guns makes this pretty unforgivable. (No need to do it that often. )

Look it in with both eyes - no distractions or multitasking.

Inspect holster opening visually for obstructions.

Trigger finger fully extended as if it’s taped to a splint.

If you can’t do all three then you really can’t do it safely.
 
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Not sure this has been posted on here before, but dayum that was ugly. I’m guessing $5 holster, but who knows?


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CZfool68 said:
Not sure this has been posted on here before, but dayum that was ugly. I’m guessing $5 holster, but who knows?


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VIDEO: Holstered Pistol Discharges... Negligent or Accident? - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ This video was submitted anonymously by a reader in Nevada. It shows a firearm that had been holstered discharging when the carrier bent over to pick something up. We’re told that the gun in question was a GLOCK 43. The holster was a GCode INCOG. The bullet...
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I’m going negligent since I just about wear out a holster making sure everything is right before I ever put it on and holster a loaded gun in it.
 
CZfool68 said:
Not sure this has been posted on here before, but dayum that was ugly. I’m guessing $5 holster, but who knows?


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VIDEO: Holstered Pistol Discharges... Negligent or Accident? - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ This video was submitted anonymously by a reader in Nevada. It shows a firearm that had been holstered discharging when the carrier bent over to pick something up. We’re told that the gun in question was a GLOCK 43. The holster was a GCode INCOG. The bullet...
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Article says G-code incog which is a pretty high quality holster…

Freaky…
 
Catfish said:
I say no. There is a point where it makes a difference, but it's outside the range of what we consider normal for carry guns. I think - and mind you I have zero data to back this up - under 3lbs and over 12lbs makes a difference. But anything between 3 and 12 falls in the same range of 'how likely is a ND?" Now how to test this...?
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With a camera videoing the results. For purely educational purposes.
 
I'm not sure how any pistol, even one with a 1/2 oz "match" trigger done correctly could ever go off while fully in a holster of good design.

Now during a reholster of anything? Well, no. Same opinion. Nothing to do with the mechanism or where it will reside. Ensuring there there isn't anything in the way of rehosltering a pistol should be a natural response. If reholstering under duress is even a possibility at all. Having a "hair trigger" and a $2 holster is ignorantly dangerous. Specific function of the tool, SA, DA, striker, etc. is irrelevant.
 
Trevillian said:
I'm not sure how any pistol, even one with a 1/2 oz "match" trigger done correctly could ever go off while fully in a holster of good design.

Now during a reholster of anything? Well, no. Same opinion. Nothing to do with the mechanism or where it will reside. Ensuring there there isn't anything in the way of rehosltering a pistol should be a natural response. If reholstering under duress is even a possibility at all. Having a "hair trigger" and a $2 holster is ignorantly dangerous. Specific function of the tool, SA, DA, striker, etc. is irrelevant.
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He’s got an undershirt and it looks like he might have tucked his other shirt in the front. Maybe a little shirt that pulled the trigger when he bent over? Either way my money is in the guy, not the gun.
 
CZfool68 said:
He’s got an undershirt and it looks like he might have tucked his other shirt in the front. Maybe a little shirt that pulled the trigger when he bent over? Either way my money is in the guy, not the gun.
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Huh??

Oh the video! I was just addressing the op's first post. I get it now😂
 
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CZfool68 said:
He’s got an undershirt and it looks like he might have tucked his other shirt in the front. Maybe a little shirt that pulled the trigger when he bent over? Either way my money is in the guy, not the gun.
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Watched your link. Yeah, looks like dude left some material in the way as he holstered.

What was interesting is how quick that lady came in gloved up to render aid.
 
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