dems introduce HR7115 to ban parts kits,80%lowers
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Shocked to see this come so fast. Check out the part about no "home gun smithing". That could mean just about anything if passed. Assembling, disassembling, cleaning or putting on a scope. Doubt it would go further then the house but we must stay vigilant cause we know this is just the start.
backwoodsshooter
there’s always a method to the madness
Meh, 79% lowers would be a better choice. You know, drill out the buffer retaining pin hole and/or the take down pin holes
IrishCannon
Fight hard.
Ain't gonna happen.
If Trump is re-elected in 2020 AND the Dems maintain control of the house and/or gain senate, then I'll start to worry.
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If Trump is re-elected in 2020 AND the Dems maintain control of the house and/or gain senate, then I'll start to worry.
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With out control of the Senate and Trump as President, the Dems can't do anything, they do not have a veto majority.
I can see this getting passed in some states, though.
I can see this getting passed in some states, though.
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This, and a couple of months ago, Dirty Dianne Feinstein. I just don't want to be a part of a system any more where we're just a few votes from having those people having that kind of power over us.
Blah, blah, blah. The Democrats are in a frenzy now, but they will have to face reality in January. Do they want to posture by passing bills that will be DOA in the Senate? Or do they want to posture during "investigations" and committee hearings? There are only so many hours in a day and only so many working days in a legislative year (I think I read that the number was recently 89).
What part of "shall not be infringed" do they wish to test in the now-Conservative majority Supreme Court?
A Supreme Court, by the way, which finally incorporated the Second Amendment against the States back in, what...2010?
A Supreme Court, by the way, which finally incorporated the Second Amendment against the States back in, what...2010?
Boys, I'm telling you. You better be picking sides now - and I am not talking about Republican or Democrat, Progressive or Conservative.
Our fathers chose and pledged lives, fortunes, and honor to see that choice secured for their children. Whether this has a snowballs chance or not, it is normalizig the idea that Our Rights are what the government says they are, and it's a belief that most people even here accept every couple of years in the voting booth.
Timid men are not Free Men, and no People has ever won or safeguarded their Liberty by meekly asking for it, but from the conviction that they Live or Die as Free Men and Free Women, that they would never draw a breath of subjugated air, and by God they meant it.
You know why Washington sucks so bad? Because they aren't scared of the consequences of violating their Oath, subverting the Constitution and prostituting We, the People for their own gain.
Until such a day as they are, the assault will continue, unrelenting, until we either submit or triumph.
There can be no retreat, for either side.
Our fathers chose and pledged lives, fortunes, and honor to see that choice secured for their children. Whether this has a snowballs chance or not, it is normalizig the idea that Our Rights are what the government says they are, and it's a belief that most people even here accept every couple of years in the voting booth.
Timid men are not Free Men, and no People has ever won or safeguarded their Liberty by meekly asking for it, but from the conviction that they Live or Die as Free Men and Free Women, that they would never draw a breath of subjugated air, and by God they meant it.
You know why Washington sucks so bad? Because they aren't scared of the consequences of violating their Oath, subverting the Constitution and prostituting We, the People for their own gain.
Until such a day as they are, the assault will continue, unrelenting, until we either submit or triumph.
There can be no retreat, for either side.
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It obvious to me that if nothing else, it's useful to them as a symbolic rhetorical instrument.
"Well, we'd love to legislate all the gun violence in the US away, but those darn assault rifle clutching Republican textualists just love seeing news stories about our children being slaughtered. We tried though!"
"Well, we'd love to legislate all the gun violence in the US away, but those darn assault rifle clutching Republican textualists just love seeing news stories about our children being slaughtered. We tried though!"
Posturing or not, hang 'em all.
IrishCannon
Fight hard.
I've seen a fair share of death in my life. Illness, vehicular, old age, mental institutions (or what the equivalent is now), OD, people drifting into sloth, suicide, etc.
After seeing that, all I can pray for is that I die honorably, fully competent, sober and with my wits about me. I simply want a good death. I want my family to know I love them, I want my wife to be proud, and I want my kids to be proud of their Old Man. - That's it. The rest I don't give a crap about.
What is your possessions, wealth, and fortune without your dignity and honor?
After seeing that, all I can pray for is that I die honorably, fully competent, sober and with my wits about me. I simply want a good death. I want my family to know I love them, I want my wife to be proud, and I want my kids to be proud of their Old Man. - That's it. The rest I don't give a crap about.
What is your possessions, wealth, and fortune without your dignity and honor?
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Keep it up, please. The last thing we want is a bunch of gun owners forgetting who to vote for in 2020. Can we get some immigration amnesty and Obamacare in the pipeline too? How about a LGBTQWERTYUIOP initiative? Or a good old fashioned impeachment... yeah! Remind The People what the progressives are all about.
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Someone will be by to kick in your door in short order, it's for the children...
Can you say stunt?
This idiotic bill was introduced in the current (Republican-majority) House. It will certainly not go to committee or be voted on during the current session of Congress. And it will die at the end of this session of Congress.
This idiotic bill was introduced in the current (Republican-majority) House. It will certainly not go to committee or be voted on during the current session of Congress. And it will die at the end of this session of Congress.
Oh, you mean the same court that has refused to pick up 2A cases to where it’s become a disfavored right?
Don’t hold out your hopes on those tyrants in black.
Meet Mr Shockwave....
I never hold my breath when it comes to the government and doing the right thing.
You were just too anxious for losing 4:5 rulings on 2A cases before Kavanaugh joined the court last month to create the first clear conservative majority in decades.
...to the persecution and tyranny of his cruel ministry, we will not tamely submit; appealing to Heaven for the justice of our cause, we determine to die, or be free.
-Dr Joseph Warren, 4/26/1775 referring to King George III
-Dr Joseph Warren, 4/26/1775 referring to King George III
9 years out now on private possession.
The right is to bear arms. The manner of bearing arms, either open or concealed, has been subject to regulation since our country was founded. Open carry was seen as virtuous and concealed carry was viewed suspiciously -or prohibited- in our country's early years. Today, society can permit one and prohibit the other, but one of the two methods of carry must be allowed.
Do you have links to that first gun rights case? What was the main claim in the case? What was the basis for the District Court ruling? What the the basis for the Appeals Court ruling?
in·fringe·ment
/inˈfrinjmənt/
noun
the action of breaking the terms of a law, agreement, etc.; violation.
"copyright infringement"
the action of limiting or undermining something.
"the infringement of the right to privacy
If you can show the caveat that supports your position in Amendment the Second, the Federalist or Antifederalist papers, etc....I would certainly like to see it.
There were also Gentlemen's pocket pistols in the 1700s to protect men of means from bandits and highwaymen.
So whereas there are some writings with the professed argument that concealed means up to no good, no such limitation or opinion is expressed or implied by the Amendment ratified that restricts government power to limit the keeping or bearing of Arms.
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“I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”
- The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Robert A. Heinlein
Heh!
Here's how I would LOVE to handle H.R. 7115:
Opening words:
To prohibit the...
STAMPED AND RETURNED IN BIG RED LETTERS: REJECTED - SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Here's how I would LOVE to handle H.R. 7115:
Opening words:
To prohibit the...
STAMPED AND RETURNED IN BIG RED LETTERS: REJECTED - SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
It is clear from various writings that the intent of the founders was for the people to freely carry arms if the so choose as they believed this to be a natural right. A natural right being one that everybody possesses inherently, not one bestowed by some "authority" of man. The intent of the 2nd-A is clear, yet tyrants and authoritarians have tried to use weasle words to declare otherwise and to attempt to deny this right. As I understand it, there was much debate about including the BOR with concern that it would be manipulated into the framework to deny rights. I believe the second has been the poster child of this concern, and it also happens to be one that was written in legalese of the 18th century which has caused much grief today (teachers used to ask, even if you could store nuclear waste for 1000+ years how would you create a sign that people that far in the future will understand, with the answer being you can't because language changes do much. Need another example, try reading middle or old English).
Some people are willing to tolerate a degree or even total denial of this right by the govt, as demonstrated by their willingness to comply with whatever "the courts" have said. Others have decided they will be free regardless and those individuals undoubtedly have also decided what they're willing to do and how far they're willing to go should govt try to deny them their right.
I, myself, wasn't always as Liberty minded / libertarian, but over the better part of the last decade my involvement in the 2A community has caused me to change my beliefs. The gun, really is a symbol of freedom, as much as is the ability to speak freely. No wonder the tyrants want to put limits on both.
Some people are willing to tolerate a degree or even total denial of this right by the govt, as demonstrated by their willingness to comply with whatever "the courts" have said. Others have decided they will be free regardless and those individuals undoubtedly have also decided what they're willing to do and how far they're willing to go should govt try to deny them their right.
I, myself, wasn't always as Liberty minded / libertarian, but over the better part of the last decade my involvement in the 2A community has caused me to change my beliefs. The gun, really is a symbol of freedom, as much as is the ability to speak freely. No wonder the tyrants want to put limits on both.
Same here. Dirty Dianne has big plans for you that she cannot fully implement as long as you have the means and the will to resist.