Disaster scenario 1: What would you do ?

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You work for the military on base, your wife stays at home with the kids off base. There is sudden terrorist activity in your AO. Roads are starting to get clogged due to people rushing home or to pickup kids from school, and you live about twenty minutes from home. The base is requesting spouses and dependants come to the base for safety. Cell service is unavailable due to high call volume, but you and your wife have had this discussion before.

Your wife is competent with firearms, the kids are safe with her and there is no immediate threat to their safety that you are aware of. You do not have access to a firearm on base, and you are being told to report to a secure location on base.

What's your plan?
 
Bide my time on base until the situation presents itself for me to leave the base. I work for the military, not in the military. By the way, I quit.

By the time I get to our planned meetup, my brother and his wife are already there with Shari, my mom, our aunt, and our boys (two legged and four legged). Fortify, hunker down, and ride it out...

Plans have been made for 12 people for a year of SHTF.

Hope we never need it...

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I don't work for the military nor am I in the military, but like Allen said above, I'd play good little employee until I saw my chance, then I'm out. Assuming I make it here in one piece, I've got stores for 8 people for a year just in stored food and seeds for long term sustainability. If I ever make it back here, I'm gonna stay here until someone burns me outta this place.
 
Not exactly the same scenario, but I have told my wife and both of my kids that if they are at home and some bad stuff goes down, stay put unless it is absolutely necessary to go.

The "mandatory evacuation" question came up, along with, "What if we're told to go?"..."What if we're ordered to report to X location?"

I said, "Screw that...you don't have to do a damned thing. If there is no immediate or imminent danger to any of you, you stay put."

I tried to explain that a large group of folks in a central location is a great, big target and that is why they should not leave the house.

As for me, I told them that I would do everthing I possibly could to get home, but it may take some time and under no circumstances would I want her or the kids to leave the safety of the house to come out looking for me.
 
Civilian works on post. I have a mountain bike in my jeep or truck for this very reason. I live 12 miles to the house, I know a lot of trails that can get home with minimal exposure.
As for leaving. Nope we have this situation planned.
windows have 3/4 in plywood cut n numbered (hurricanes but works to keep bad guys out) brick house and a few security cameras
 
Throwing a wrench in here: Let's say you are IN the military, not a contractor. What changes need to be made? How much freedom do you have to leave base and rendezvous with your family? Is this largely dependent on your CO?

Anyone that is in or has been in the military that can weigh in on SOP ?
just trying to gather intel. I know we all lile our disaster planning to fit in a nice little box, so I am trying to figure this out in uncertain terms.

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IrishCannon said:
Throwing a wrench in here: Let's say you are IN the military, not a contractor. What changes need to be made? How much freedom do you have to leave base and rendezvous with your family? Is this largely dependent on your CO?

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Probably just means a little more when I tell them to get f#*>~d ?
 
I'm surprised by the number of folks with Afghan army experience. Seems that if you can't or won't do the job when the job gets tough, you should move on now to make room for someone that will.

Also, why do you need to be at the same location at the same time? Why rush to hunker down?

Apologies if I'm reading too much into these comments.
 
JimB said:
I'm surprised by the number of folks with Afghan army experience. Seems that if you can't or won't do the job when the job gets tough, you should move on now to make room for someone that will.

Also, why do you need to be at the same location at the same time? Why rush to hunker down?

Apologies if I'm reading too much into these comments.
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Ya i think you are reading it wrong. You aren't "doing a job" on base involving prptecting lives. You are being asked to huddle with the sheep while your wife and children are twenty minutes away and need their husband and father.

What is your priority?
How do you get off base or do you?
What is the plan you made with your wife?

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So, two answers to one question: you can either disobey orders and go home (and manage the ensuing fallout), or you follow orders and stay. Your post indicated that you and your wife had the discussion, so given that, trust she can execute the plan (and subsequent PACE plan if necessary), and I would go where ordered. If she's a military wife, then she understands, and although the circumstances are shitty, a military wife doesn't "need" her husband; she can make do.

Getting off the base can be a real bear. If it is a naturally closed base like an AF or Navy base, after an event like that it will be nigh unto impossible to get on or off. A more open base like and Army base it may be easier. For all the secret squirrel stuff at Ft. Bragg, it's not particularly hard to get on.
 
Going to stick around for six months while most people starve or kill each other off and then hope the nuclear reactor across the lake doesn't go Chernobyl, radiate us and contaminate our drinking water. Wait, drinking water will then be free of brain eating amoeba.
 
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Ya i think you are reading it wrong. You aren't "doing a job" on base involving prptecting lives. You are being asked to huddle with the sheep while your wife and children are twenty minutes away and need their husband and father.
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Is this a realistic scenario?
 
IrishCannon said:
What is unrealistic about being on a military base when a disaster strikes?

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Nothing, I was thinking about the requiring nonessential contractors to huddle with the sheep.
 
JimB said:
Nothing, I was thinking about the requiring nonessential contractors to huddle with the sheep.
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That part is up in the air. - Idk SOP for those guys vs military. I would personally if the base is on lockdown it is on lockdown to everyone. I have no clue.

I am interested in both scenarios.

What is protocol in this situation?

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concepthomes1 said:
What's your fastening method for the plywood?
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I would put a toggle bolt through it and put a 2x4 across the frame on the inside. Non destructive and fast. Just open the window, set the pieces in place and bolt it down.
 
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I would put a toggle bolt through it and put a 2x4 across the frame on the inside. Non destructive and fast. Just open the window, set the pieces in place and bolt it down.
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This is how I did mine.
I put the upper window down
and the bottom window up

2 2x4 and bolts thru
 
Might consider getting the plywood coated with bedliner. ;)
 
Family found ourselves in a similar situation during 9/11' We were in Germany at the time. Bases got locked down. I was living on one and worked on the other. Loaded up the 1911 at quarters for the wife and then tried to get one other after 3 hours and having everything searched. As a service member at the time I could always go to the arms room and draw my weapon for cleaning. Did send the family home back to Kentucky after 8 months of lock down. German Police patrolling with armed GIs in base housing, Concertina wire aprons going up where there were no fences, horseback mounted patrols, German APCs at front gates and streets blocked off.


CD
 
Combat Diver said:
Family found ourselves in a similar situation during 9/11' We were in Germany at the time. Bases got locked down. I was living on one and worked on the other. Loaded up the 1911 at quarters for the wife and then tried to get one other after 3 hours and having everything searched. As a service member at the time I could always go to the arms room and draw my weapon for cleaning. Did send the family home back to Kentucky after 8 months of lock down. German Police patrolling with armed GIs in base housing, Concertina wire aprons going up where there were no fences, horseback mounted patrols, German APCs at front gates and streets blocked off.


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What was going through your mind at that point? Did you feel somewhat helpless or did you prepare for that scenario?
 
IrishCannon said:
What was going through your mind at that point? Did you feel somewhat helpless or did you prepare for that scenario?
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Here we go again, prepare for war and get my family squared away. Security was squared away on post if we went anywhere which we didn't. Go to the commisary and stock up on food. Dispensary was just couple blocks away. Fueled up the vehicle and watched TV. Double checked passports where we could get them, packed a go bag if word was given to evac out of Germany. Dogs shots were up to date and had the kennel ready if had to fly.

CD
 
I'd attempt to contact my wife (and other family) and let them know I'm OK.

My wife and family don't live near where I work, so if it's in my area I already know they're safe.

I'm no longer Active Duty, so I no longer have those obligations to worry about. It'll be me working to ensure my own safety, with those around me.
 
Actually, was thinking about the real Mythbusters where Kari, Tory and Grant paint some plywood with bed liner to see if its bombproof.

J R Green said:
On another note, it's amazing even after reading Day of Wrath how many people would still do the absolute wrong thing.
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You mean where the parents gridlock the highways in a panic to rescue their children from shooters in the schools and the B-Team snipers pick off the unsuspecting parents sitting immobile in their cars and further gridlocking the entire city?
 
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georgel said:
Actually, was thinking about the real Mythbusters where Kari, Tory and Grant paint some plywood with bed liner to see if its bombproof.



You mean where the parents gridlock the highways in a panic to rescue their children from shooters in the schools and the B-Team snipers pick off the unsuspecting parents sitting immobile in their cars and further gridlocking the entire city?
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That's the one.
 
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