Does this rifle concept make sense to you?

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Background/Statement of Purpose: I have a good bit of experience with AR pattern rifles in 5.56. While I have used them in competition out to 400y, I view them as personal defense tools most likely to be used well inside 50y. Recently, I've become interested in an alternate rifle solution that could be used effectively at what I will refer to as moderate distance, defined as 100y to 600y. This is primarily driven by the fact that I have access to some new locales where large, open areas are plentiful. I would like to have a handy rifle, with a larger projectile at my disposal in that circumstance.

Concept: I'm considering a rem700 in .308, equipped with a Magpul Hunter stock and BM to accept magazines. For the optic I am considering the new 1-8 from Trijicon. The idea is to set up a rifle that is quick for relatively close work on 1x and can still reach out a bit at the high-end of that magnification range. Essentially my take on a scout rifle. I like .308 for this role because it's a well-known quantity, plentiful, easy to reload and adequate at the ranges I'm trying to reach.

Question: Does this concept make sense? What am I not considering? What would you do differently?

Thanks,
Steve


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If the context is still personal defense why not an AR in .308?
 
Catfish;n77800 said:
If the context is still personal defense why not an AR in .308?
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That would be my question as well.

AR-10 prices being so low these days, I would go that route... You can build a pretty decent one for $750ish these days plus glass and getting cheaper everyday. Same manual of arms as your 556. Same modular flexibility.
 
Have you looked at a Ruger Scout Rifle or Mossberg MVP 7.62 series?

Also, like the other posters, what about a 16" or 14.5" w/pinned Suppressor Mount) AR10?


Would the 8x be enough for you and 600 yards? I have a 16" Remington 700 .308 in a Boyd's stock, Vortex scope...and even with the suppressor off, it's still pretty heavy for toting around all day long in the field.
 
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When I think "Concept Rifle" I think of something innovative or filling some kind of niche. What you describe is essentially "darn near every deer rifle ever made".

Because you said detachable box magazine, I'd say the Ruger Scout (I love mine!) is the perfect fit for what you're after. If detachable mag is not a deal breaker, then really pick your flavor of .308 hunting rifle and you're all set.
 
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Before I sold my Ruger Scout rifle I had an Ultimak rail instslled so I could mount a Leupold VX6 1-6. Pretty much same set up you are suggesting. And AR 10 would work well also. They make a composite stock for the Ruger now so you could even lighten it up a little. You could also do all this with 5.56 if you wanted to. Lots of choices.
 
I keep circling around the same concept. I have a built rem700 in an AICS chassis that's amazingly accurate and all but too heavy to carry around. I've toyed with swapping the stock out for the magpul and turning it into a 'handier' rifle. I just like the concept of a portable 308 bolt gun that takes detachable mags. The Ruger Scout appeals to me greatly, even though I have absolutely no use for one and don't see an advantage to it vs. the magpul equipped rem700 I could own for just the cost of the stock.

That said, I've not done the rebuild because my AR10 fills every role the bolt gun does, in addition to being able to act like a carbine in a pinch if needed. It's not quite as accurate as the bolt gun, but a lot more flexible and if I had reason to carry something larger than 556 in a non-hunting context that I would prefer the firepower of the AR10 vs. the 600-1000 yard capabilities of the bolt gun.

Still, that handy bolt gun, just something about that.

So yea, I'm of no help!
 
Jayne;n77877 said:
With his intended role for the rifle, would a shorter barrel be of any detriment? Wouldn't think you would lose all that much with a 16" barrel at the 100-600 yard intended role for this rig and it would be a lot handier with those missing 4'.
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I have a idea here.

At some point inches matter. It's normally past 20". If 4 inches screws you up in all things practical you have issues.

Think about it, the issue with the M16 is the stock not the 20" barrel.

Just a thought
 
Jayne;n77877 said:
With his intended role for the rifle, would a shorter barrel be of any detriment? Wouldn't think you would lose all that much with a 16" barrel at the 100-600 yard intended role for this rig and it would be a lot handier with those missing 4'.
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The short answer, no. A .308 with a 16" barrel is very capable to 750+ yards. So a shorter barrel would be fine for the purpose.
 
If you go Remington 700, spend the extra cash and get the 5r barrel. With a quality, factory match grade ammo mine puts 3 rounds in darn near the same hole at 100.

When I took it to butner with John it was still very stable, accurate and repeatable out to the 600 mark. After that the drop on the 308 made it not so much and I ran out of elevation on my scope at 1000 (need a 20m base to correct that) but still managed to put all 10 shots onto a man sized target at 1000 with a 7 foot hold over.

But that said, I guess it depends on what you are wanting to do with the gun. If it is simply self defense, a semi auto would be better suited so I would suggest a scout. You lose some accuracy but not really enough to matter unless you are shooting paper targets for score.
 
I can get M1A SOCOM's all day for $1700

Add it with a ADM 3" Recon turned backwards with that Burris 1-8 would be bad ass
 
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Steve Sellers;n77777 said:
Background/Statement of Purpose: I have a good bit of experience with AR pattern rifles in 5.56. While I have used them in competition out to 400y, I view them as personal defense tools most likely to be used well inside 50y. Recently, I've become interested in an alternate rifle solution that could be used effectively at what I will refer to as moderate distance, defined as 100y to 600y. This is primarily driven by the fact that I have access to some new locales where large, open areas are plentiful. I would like to have a handy rifle, with a larger projectile at my disposal in that circumstance.

Concept: I'm considering a rem700 in .308, equipped with a Magpul Hunter stock and BM to accept magazines. For the optic I am considering the new 1-8 from Trijicon. The idea is to set up a rifle that is quick for relatively close work on 1x and can still reach out a bit at the high-end of that magnification range. Essentially my take on a scout rifle. I like .308 for this role because it's a well-known quantity, plentiful, easy to reload and adequate at the ranges I'm trying to reach.

Question: Does this concept make sense? What am I not considering? What would you do differently?

Thanks,
Steve


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Now I am just a lowly rookie here with lottle to no experience in anything cool, tactical, practical or otherwise. That being said....... yeah, it sounds like it will work if the weit does not get too high. I have had all those components at one time or another but not assembled altogether at the same time. My vote is to go fo it. (If you had rather try out the semo .308 for comparison, I bet someone on here lives close enough for you to try theirs).
 
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