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I asked a 100% legitimate question in a bst add.....it's gone now.....isn't this the same crap sore and his Canadian buddies did? What gives? If I did something wrong feel free to let me know.

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Mike79 said:
I asked a 100% legitimate question in a bst add.....it's gone now.....isn't this the same shit sore and his Canadian buddies did? What gives? If I did something wrong feel free to let me know.
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If the creator of the BST ad asks a moderator to clean it up, that is the preference of the ad "owner". I cleaned one up recently at an ad creator's request.
 
11B CIB said:
If the creator of the BST ad asks a moderator to clean it up, that is the preference of the ad "owner". I cleaned one up recently at an ad creator's request.
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Would you please define what clean it up means? Knowing that you will on request delete legitimate, respectful, on topic questions, etc in a BST ad causes me pause in terms of integrity of the ad posting. I assume here CFF isn't getting a cut of the deal and wouldn't have a monetary interest at heart.
 
We've got at least one somewhat prolific ad poster here, especially in WTB, who is very specific about not wanting extraneous discussion in his threads, unless you have, or know where to find what he wants. I had to continually clean up his threads and finally just told folks to stay out of them. It was too much trouble to continue to referee.

There's just no accounting for "personalities" in this joint.
 
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Would you please define what clean it up means? Knowing that you will on request delete legitimate, respectful, on topic questions, etc in a BST ad causes me pause in terms of integrity of the ad posting. I assume here CFF isn't getting a cut of the deal and wouldn't have a monetary interest at heart.
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If the poster feels the questions, whether on topic or in their opinion in this case, same church different pew, would affect the sale in addition to the fact that it was a decently long (4-5 replies) conversation in his sale ad that didn't pertain to ANYONE wanting to buy the item....the poster asked for erroneous posts to be removed.

@toddje
https://www.carolinafirearmsforum.c...ke-harnett-springfield-range-officer-45.6779/
 
Oh, that one. Heck, I was in on that thread discussion and even apologized to the OP (who I also know) by PM days ago for babbling on, and told him to request it be cleaned up by a mod since @Mike79 's question was asked and answered in the thread, and it potentially distracted from the sale.
 
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noway2 said:
Would you please define what clean it up means? Knowing that you will on request delete legitimate, respectful, on topic questions, etc in a BST ad causes me pause in terms of integrity of the ad posting. I assume here CFF isn't getting a cut of the deal and wouldn't have a monetary interest at heart.
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I'm curious, did you intend for that to come across as offensive as it did(to me, and I don't even run this joint)? Or were you attempting to make a point that I, in my unintelligent and uneducated way, completely missed?
 
Shrek said:
I'm curious, did you intend for that to come across as offensive as it did(to me, and I don't even run this joint)? Or were you attempting to make a point that I, in my unintelligent and uneducated way, completely missed?
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Yeah he had no idea if it was really on topic, or if the OP was just the hero of his own story. Sort of like people overreacting to a breaking news story....waiting to know both sides really helps. And even bringing up monetary interest in the BST is absurd
 
Shrek said:
I'm curious, did you intend for that to come across as offensive as it did(to me, and I don't even run this joint)? Or were you attempting to make a point that I, in my unintelligent and uneducated way, completely missed?
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I was not trying to be offensive and I apologize if my question came across as such. I do appreciate your asking / letting me know that you read it in a manner that was.

Basically, I was questioning the basis for allowing BST trades to be "cleaned up", which I took to mean removal information that the seller may not wish the buying public to know, even when the responses and questions being asked, etc, were on topic and made in a respectful manner. Without having a specific incident, let me give a generic example of the sort of thing I was thinking of. Lets say person S has an item for sale and that this item commonly has a particular feature that the one for sale doesn't but S would rather not mention this in the hopes that buyer B not think of this, or assumes it does. Third party person T, inquires about whether the item is the model or not and then seller S asks that this post be removed because they would rather not disclose this information.

My secondary point was that since the site (operators) don't have a financial stake in the outcome of the transaction, but are only providing a neutral platform for buyers and sellers that they should adopt a neutral position and not play favor to either party by modifying posts to the advantage of one person over the other unless there was a reason said posts were somehow inappropriate. The notion that sellers can have their BST listings modified, presumably to conceal information, causes me to have less trust in the BST postings - which is not to the advantage of the sellers either. With "your word is your bond" being taken as seriously as it is, and as it should be, I think that honest disclosure in terms of the listings should be the rule of the day.

To Long didn't read: I think the site should be neutral and "cleaning up" BST posts seems to go against this idea.
 
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And even bringing up monetary interest in the BST is absurd
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You posted while I was in the process of replying. As I said, I meant this in the context that the site should be neutral - as in doesn't have a stake in the transaction.
 
noway2 said:
I was not trying to be offensive and I apologize if my question came across as such. I do appreciate your asking / letting me know that you read it in a manner that was.

Basically, I was questioning the basis for allowing BST trades to be "cleaned up", which I took to mean removal information that the seller may not wish the buying public to know, even when the responses and questions being asked, etc, were on topic and made in a respectful manner. Without having a specific incident, let me give a generic example of the sort of thing I was thinking of. Lets say person S has an item for sale and that this item commonly has a particular feature that the one for sale doesn't but S would rather not mention this in the hopes that buyer B not think of this, or assumes it does. Third party person T, inquires about whether the item is the model or not and then seller S asks that this post be removed because they would rather not disclose this information.

My secondary point was that since the site (operators) don't have a financial stake in the outcome of the transaction, but are only providing a neutral platform for buyers and sellers that they should adopt a neutral position and not play favor to either party by modifying posts to the advantage of one person over the other unless there was a reason said posts were somehow inappropriate. The notion that sellers can have their BST listings modified, presumably to conceal information, causes me to have less trust in the BST postings - which is not to the advantage of the sellers either. With "your word is your bond" being taken as seriously as it is, and as it should be, I think that honest disclosure in terms of the listings should be the rule of the day.

To Long didn't read: I think the site should be neutral and "cleaning up" BST posts seems to go against this idea.
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To answer the question, no I don't believe we would clean that up as you describe. We walk a fine line here between having a more user friendly and swap meet type environment and not wanting to allow people or their items to be bashed.

Will we make mistakes and clean something up that is pertinent? Sure. We're human. But we will always try our best to do our best.

Now all of that said, there are members on here that would rather have a plug in style classifieds where people can't post questions they can only PM them. We chose not to go that route, but if you had a question that you felt was pertinent deleted, simply PM the seller. If they don't respond or you don't want the item then simply move on.

And while we have no monetary stake we do have a stake in the reputation of the site. We can only make decisions that we feel are correct.
 
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Chdamn said:
To answer the question, no I don't believe we would clean that up as you describe. We walk a fine line here between having a more user friendly and swap meet type environment and not wanting to allow people or their items to be bashed.

Will we make mistakes and clean something up that is pertinent? Sure. We're human. But we will always try our best to do our best.

Now all of that said, there are members on here that would rather have a plug in style classifieds where people can't post questions they can only PM them. We chose not to go that route, but if you had a question that you felt was pertinent deleted, simply PM the seller. If they don't respond or you don't want the item then simply move on.

And while we have no monetary stake we do have a stake in the reputation of the site. We can only make decisions that we feel are correct.
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It shows you edited this post. You must of had monetary gain, and I question the integrity of the statement
 
noway2 said:
You posted while I was in the process of replying. As I said, I meant this in the context that the site should be neutral - as in doesn't have a stake in the transaction.
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The real point is that what was cleaned up at the behest of the ad creator were questions that didn't pertain to an actual purchase and were questions that should have gone through PM because they were basically saying the seller was advertising his pistol as something it wasn't. Since the seller didn't want that discussion to influence the sale, being that the seller was not falsely advertising his pistol, he asked that it be cleaned up. Does this affect the integrity of the site, the ads, and those of us who do the cleaning up?
 
Lots of times posts are cleaned up because of ad stomping, unnecessary bumps by way of useless comments. Funny the OP has been on this morning but hasn't bothered to respond to his thread
 
11B CIB said:
The real point is that what was cleaned up at the behest of the ad creator were questions that didn't pertain to an actual purchase and were questions that should have gone through PM because they were basically saying the seller was advertising his pistol as something it wasn't. Since the seller didn't want that discussion to influence the sale, being that the seller was not falsely advertising his pistol, he asked that it be cleaned up. Does this affect the integrity of the site, the ads, and those of us who do the cleaning up?
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What you're describing, no it does not. By the same token what I expressed as an example of what popped into my head wouldn't have been "cleaned up" either. Bottom line is we have the same goal: preserving the integrity and neutrality of the site which is understandable as you contribute time and effort as well as being a paid member and I donated money to this site. Clearly this is a sensitive topic, but please realize no personal slight was intended in my question.

Personally, I don't pay much attention to the BST section and find it to be an annoyance when the New Posts page is full of nothing but them and bumps to the top. I also found, at the other site, that a lot of the people that were there only for the BST to be rather obnoxious, often times acting like they had some sort of divine rights or something, so I simply stayed out of those posts. Thankfully it seems they didn't migrate here.
 
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I was not trying to be offensive and I apologize if my question came across as such. I do appreciate your asking / letting me know that you read it in a manner that was.

Basically, I was questioning the basis for allowing BST trades to be "cleaned up", which I took to mean removal information that the seller may not wish the buying public to know, even when the responses and questions being asked, etc, were on topic and made in a respectful manner. Without having a specific incident, let me give a generic example of the sort of thing I was thinking of. Lets say person S has an item for sale and that this item commonly has a particular feature that the one for sale doesn't but S would rather not mention this in the hopes that buyer B not think of this, or assumes it does. Third party person T, inquires about whether the item is the model or not and then seller S asks that this post be removed because they would rather not disclose this information.

My secondary point was that since the site (operators) don't have a financial stake in the outcome of the transaction, but are only providing a neutral platform for buyers and sellers that they should adopt a neutral position and not play favor to either party by modifying posts to the advantage of one person over the other unless there was a reason said posts were somehow inappropriate. The notion that sellers can have their BST listings modified, presumably to conceal information, causes me to have less trust in the BST postings - which is not to the advantage of the sellers either. With "your word is your bond" being taken as seriously as it is, and as it should be, I think that honest disclosure in terms of the listings should be the rule of the day.

To Long didn't read: I think the site should be neutral and "cleaning up" BST posts seems to go against this idea.
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Thank you for clarifying your response. I think the moderation in the BST forum is done with the best of intentions even if it doesn't always seem that way.

I know they do the best they can. That's good enough for me. Sometimes they may be a little... overzealous in their moderation(very rarely, in fact) but I have never seen anything that made me question their integrity.
 
Hello 5 years ago.....yes I did a lot of deleting and removing of bumps etc on the other site.....all as per the rules on that site.....I even asked the other mods how they felt about my approach.....have at it /don't change a thing was the reply.....take that back I do recall Charles /orishky did think we needed to go a little easier on it....

Now to my issue....yes it was about the RO....I simply asked if he was sure it was an RO....I was and am not saying he was trying to post something that it wasn't.....the pistol has had work done very obvious.....also obvious that amnesia bought/traded for it in that configuration. He answered my question and basically said he wasn't 100% sure.....information that should be in his listing...... I get it if I was berating him/his item.....but it appears sellers can have replies removed just because....so my question has been answered and all of you got some more digs at me for making you stay with in the rules you asked for.....now we all are laughing at each other! Beer30!
 
Mike79 said:
Hello 5 years ago.....yes I did a lot of deleting and removing of bumps etc on the other site.....all as per the rules on that site.....I even asked the other mods how they felt about my approach.....have at it /don't change a thing was the reply.....take that back I do recall Charles /orishky did think we needed to go a little easier on it....

Now to my issue....yes it was about the RO....I simply asked if he was sure it was an RO....I was and am not saying he was trying to post something that it wasn't.....the pistol has had work done very obvious.....also obvious that amnesia bought/traded for it in that configuration. He answered my question and basically said he wasn't 100% sure.....information that should be in his listing...... I get it if I was berating him/his item.....but it appears sellers can have replies removed just because....so my question has been answered and all of you got some more digs at me for making you stay with in the rules you asked for.....now we all are laughing at each other! Beer30!
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Like I said in that thread, other than that RO having a different combination of front and rear sights than is currently offered together on the same gun, what "very obvious work" are you seeing in that picture? I own one and I'm not seeing it.

It has a different trigger than current offerings, but SA doesn't offer any other 1911 that looks remotely close to that model that I am aware of.
 
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The trigger and grip safety.....not sure about the sights as every full size RO I have seen / Google images shows have adjustable sights......they can't be swapped out with out showing the rear cut for them to the top of the slide.....but replying with well the grips say RO on them doesn't give me much confidence......now calling SA with the serial # and listing the work done to it would go a long way....but that's just me and I'm an Ahole so....
 
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