Extar EP9 9mm pistol

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  1. Me.

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    https://extarusa.com/ep9.htm

    Does anyone on here have one yet?

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    $439 + transfer fee for a Glock-mag fed lightweight toy sounds like a lot of fun-per-dollar.
     
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    Pretty cool.
    Looks like an ATF honeypot for forward grip attachment.
     
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    Been out of stock for as long as I can remember. iirc it is only sold from their website. They claim to have them on Wednesday evenings I think. But I’ve not seen it ever show availability. Is a neat looking “pistol”. I’ve heard good things about the lrbho as well. Haven’t found any reviews that claim it to be of poor quality even though it’s primarily polymer.
     
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    They are in stock right now. 5pm Mountian Time, as they say on their site.

    Mine is ordered.

    EDIT... I just looked 12 hours later... out-of-stock.
     

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  5. MadMan4Ever

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    Tagged for interest. Been looking st it for a long time & just when I think I can get it, I start to have doubts about a 9mm AR pistol, vs a 5.56 AR pistol. :confused:
     
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    Gonna need a range report
     
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    An update..... I have looked on their site at 7pm Eastern and the so indeed show stock for several hours on Monday, Wed, and Fri.

    What an odd way of marketing. It’s better than being vaguely “backordered” I guess. Or some waiting list. At least when you order one, you get some confirmation.


    Doing some reading, it looks like Extar might be the same people who brought out the Carbon 15. First time I picked one of those up, I wanted it so badly. Long before they sold out to Bushmaster. The Carbon 15s did not get a good reputation though.

    I’m willing to gamble on this toy, though. 1000 rounds of Fiocchi ammo showed up from PSA today.


    Now I need some Glock mags. I guess the gun show will probably get here before the EP9, though.
     
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    It showed up 10 business-days after I placed the order. Comes with a 17 round PMAG and no sights. I added the MBUS that @Button Pusher told us about a couple weeks ago.
    And a Glock mag that I picked up at the gun show last weekend.


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    Here’s the first range-report:

    I took it apart to look it over. It does have a slight film of oil or protectant on the metal parts, even though the manual says to run it dry, no lube anywhere on it.

    I plopped the MBUS sights on it. “Sighting in” was a matter of shooting the backstop dirt, and dialing up about 3 turns on the front sight pin. “Good enough” I headed over to the steel pit.

    From there I had a blast dropping poppers, plates, and one round on the Texas Star.

    I didn’t have a bunch of time to spend, or I would have burned through hundreds of rounds. This thing is fun!


    I could only run through 50 rounds. Fiocchi cheap stuff. No failures. Slide locked back with each empty mag.



    This thing deserves decent sights. And a different grip. More on that later.
     
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    Dry? :confused:
     
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    Yup
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    Some mods:
    - Nightstrike Diamondback foregrip
    - 25+ year old Tasco ProPoint (from the Made in Japan days)
    - RITE-PULL grip adapter (moves grip back 3/4")
    - A big fat grip from Sierra Precision

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    I have large hands. Not huge. These additions help give a good reach to the trigger.

    Weight is now 4lbs 13oz.
     
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    I’d have wagered a red dot would be more appropriate for one of these... and definitely a nice suppressor. :D

    I’ve heard cutting up old bike tires and securing them to the grip works well for an improved grip...
     
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    The ProPoint is a red dot. One of the oldest mass market types, I believe.

    The dot isn’t very bright, and it’s very small, probably 1MOA. I don’t know if anyone was making different size dots back then. I had this on a bullseye pistol back in the early 90s.

    I did get to use someone else’s pistol today, he had a Trijicon MRO on it. I was very impressed with it, in brightness and dot size. I’m an old guy, I would appreciate these features.



    Still (for now) this pistol is about low-dough plinking fun. If I gussy it all up in fancy duds, it could quickly become a $1,000 gun (mags, case, new dot, etc.)


    Today’s range report:

    250 rounds, zero problems. Fiocchi round nose 115gr.


    First thing... off to the 20 yard line to sight in the dot. 15-20 rounds later, I’m zeroed.

    Another ten rounds to make me feel good....

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    Any other pistol that grouped that poorly at 20 yards, I’d be unhappy. But this is fine. I’ll have to go out and try it off the bench with a rest. I’m sure that a lot of that group problem is my fault. It’s a little over 2” at 20 yards (those squares are about 5/8”.


    Next up....it was over to the steel pits. More news to follow.
     
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    Just picked up one of these second hand (got a deal) with an AT3 red dot sight. This one has a B5 pistol grip and a Fab Defense fore grip. Came with a 33 round mag (Glock). Played around with it this afternoon, taking it apart and putting it back together. Looked like you could drop a trigger group in, so I stuck an extra Risa Armament trigger in, but had to replace the safety select for it to work. Trying to get to the range to see how much fun this can be!
     
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    Does a regular AR safety selector fit right in? I think I’d like an ambidextrous safety.
     
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    It did fit right in. The stock pin is plastic, and for now, I chose not to replace it, but I think I will if the trigger works well.
     
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    This Might be the next evolution for us with the Roni. Ima think on it and what it might offer that the Roni doesn't give us. Any help would be appreciated. Right now the Roni has a mini Bushnell red dot and no other mods. I'm new to this and am so taken with the concept I could easily be swayed to this but help me as to what it would offer me extra over Mr. Roni???
     
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    I have only seen a Roni, never handled one.

    I can’t imagine the Extar is a clear Roni-beater (especially if you already have a Roni).

    If it matters to you, the Extar has the same controls as an AR, so it can be used for training.

    It uses the same grips as an AR, so you have some options there.

    Extar has a bolt-release. Roni you have to rack the slide to drop the slide from the open position.


    Roni is the winner if you are looking for more distance from shoulder-to-grip.
    Extar wins in distance from firing hand to support-hand (more=better).
    Extar allows mag-well-grip, if you like that sort of thing.


    If I already owned a Glock and a Roni... I’d be hard pressed to find a driving need for an Extar.
     
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    Thanks! I’d be really interested in your report on a trigger swap, and the selector swap.
     
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    I can suppress the Extar today (if I had one), but I can't do that with a Roni.
     
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    Thanks Ole Pard but not a deciding factor for me.
     
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    This is what you need @BatteryOaksBilly it will take you back to the 60s. No need for evolution. Nothing smoother than a roller delayed blowback.



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    In fact I have Total access to the Real Deal. I seldom shoot it suppressed but can if I wish.
     
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    I mentioned "needing a decent grip" earlier in the thread, but didn't explain.

    My hands are man-sized. On any AR or 1911, to use the pad of my finger, my finger is pointed back at me, not perpendicular to the trigger.

    What I've always wanted is to move the grip back about 3/4". I found a product that does that.


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    The grip is fatter than standard and also flares out on the top right.

    The Rite-Pull adapter is plastic, though. I wouldn't recommend this for a tough-use gun. Since this gun is plastic, I'm OK with the adapter being plastic. I wish they made these things in aluminum. You could easily strip out the threads in this thing. It's nice to have a pistol that fits my hand for the first time in my life, though.
     
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    Shot it subsonic suppressed yet? I wonder if there is less bolt slap than an AR 9.​
     
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    I've never handled a suppressor or an AR9, so I won't be able to help you there.

    In fact, now that I think about it, I've only fired four 9mm guns in my life. This one, a Hi Point 995, a CZ 75 clone, and a Browning Hi Power.


    With mags over 10 rounds banned over 25 years ago (lived in New York), I never had any real use for the 9mm cartridge.
     
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    Hoping to get out to the range this weekend with mine. Anxious to see if the drop in trigger works well.
     
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    @Group23, thanks for letting me know about parts that fit.

    After adding my grip-extender, it made it a little difficult to reach to flip the gun back to “safe”. Plus, having fired the CZ Micro, I was a little jealous of the short-throw lever.

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    I bought one of these and installed it.

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    The fit is just fine. You can flip the center piece, and swap the levers, so you can have the long arm on either side, and you can have a short (45*) or long (normal 90*) throw. I went short-throw (shown below in "fire" position).

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    The original safety is plastic, and so is the detent pin. The new safety is aluminum, and comes with a metal detent pin. And new spring that I didn’t use.

    Even though the bolt rides in a plastic receiver (dry) I am worried about long-term maybe egging out the receiver holes, using this metal part.

    Before installing it, I put a light coat of silicone bearing “grease” on the contact surfaces. It clicks smooth, works well, I’m happy.



    And.... as long as I was ordering from Palmetto, I snagged three ETS 31-round mags for $13 each. I’ll have a range report for them next time I shoot.
     
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    Make sure the Fab defense grip is not a vertical foregrip, as that can get you into trouble, as Slacker cleverly pointed out.
     
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    It's a 3/4 foregrip, not vertical, thanks.
     
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    One of the reasons I prefer flat trigger shoes on AR's. They tend to set the trigger face further forward.
     
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    I’ve never tried one. Thanks for the tip.

    I’ve actually never used any AR aftermarket trigger. I don’t know if this gun is a good candidate for one, since part of its mission is to be cheap fun.
     
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    Thanks. That’s certainly an easy and cheap way to get flat.


    Speaking of cheap... I was at the range today for a shotgun class, and brought the Extar and ETS mag to play with after class. Turns out I was wiped out from the heat, so all I did was run one mag. I had fully loaded it a couple days ago. Ran it today, no problems. LRBHO worked. Not much of a test. I’ll keep the thread updated as I go.

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    IMG_3563_Moment.jpg IMG_3563_Moment 1.jpg IMG_3563_Moment 2.jpg Hit the range today and ran about 150 rounds through it. Rise Armament trigger did very well. AT3 red dot site that it came with was already zeroed in. Took just about every shot from 40 to 50 yards and it was a blast!
     
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    @Group23, those three frames you posted make a great gif. ;)
     
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    Time for a thread update.

    I swapped in a Romeo5 sight to get something smaller and lighter. Took the Extar to the range, sighted in at 15 yards. At 50 yards it is about 6" high. I need to work on an ideal sight-in range.

    Next up, I took it to Range 37 PSR and competed (for the first time) in their Infidel Gunfighter League training match. I used the Extar for all courses of fire where most everyone else was using a .223 AR. All targets were 35 yards or closer. EXCEPT one stage was 10 shots at 100 yards. I hadn't sighted for that range. I missed every shot.

    Other than that, the Extar had no problems . 120+ rounds for the course, all mags were either my single Glock 30 or the ETS 30s.

    Total flawless roundcount now stands at 700.
     
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