First CMP order placed, now we wait.

I’ll be totally honest…I’ve never had good luck with any of my multiple purchases of Garands from CMP. All had bores at the maximum wear indicator for their grades. It’s like they had something against me and just kept picking the worst ones to send me.
What grades did you order? If you ordered a rack grade, then much higher wear and tear should be expected. But a field grade rifle should never exceed 3 M.E. and/or 5 T.E. A service grade will usually gauge less than 3 M.E. and 4 or less on T.E. - though a 5 T.E. is still possible on a service grade if the rest of the rifle is stellar. If the T.E./M.E. numbers exceed the grade description of what you ordered, then the rifle was mis-graded and they will replace the rifle no questions asked. If you just got barrels showing numbers at the lower end of the spectrum, that may or may not mean anything.

The thing is (and you may already know), you really shouldn't judge the quality of the rifle, or even the barrel, just by the M.E./T.E. numbers alone. It is common knowledge amongst collectors and armorers that brand new (G.I.) barrels could measure up to a 3 on the throat erosion gauge. A new G.I. barrel could also gauge up to a 1.5 or even a 2 (according to some) at the muzzle. With regard to the throat erosion, for example, a "5" on the gauge is only 5 thousandth's more than zero. And given all the multitude of factors that affect Garand accuracy, that 5 thousandths at the throat means little to nothing standing alone. The condition of the entire bore and especially the condition of the crown plays a much greater role in accuracy and quality. It is true that a lower number at the muzzle will generally indicate a greater potential for accuracy, though that may not play out in practice. The thing is, anything up to a 5 T.E. and/or 5 M.E. is still "serviceable", which means that it should still be capable of meeting or exceeding military accuracy standards - which is all the rifle was intended to do to begin with. Unless you are planning to shoot the rifle in matches, that is plenty good enough. The funny thing is, I have a WW2 production SA with its original barrel that gauged a 3 T.E. and 3 M.E. from CMP that shoots just as well as my Rack Special that has a new Criterion barrel that gauged a 1/1 or less. And with the exception of my H.R.A. that I shoot in matches, that 3/3 SA easily outshoots all of my other Garands even though it has the worst numbers out of the lot. And for collector value, an original matching barrel with a higher (but serviceable) M.E./T.E. is usually much more desirable than a replacement barrel with somewhat lower numbers.
 
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What grades did you order? If you ordered a rack grade, then much higher wear and tear should be expected. But a field grade rifle should never exceed 3 M.E. and/or 5 T.E. A service grade will usually gauge less than 3 M.E. and 4 or less on T.E. - though a 5 T.E. is still possible on a service grade if the rest of the rifle is stellar. If the T.E./M.E. numbers exceed the grade description of what you ordered, then the rifle was mis-graded and they will replace the rifle no questions asked. If you just got barrels showing numbers at the lower end of the spectrum, that may or may not mean anything.

The thing is (and you may already know), you really shouldn't judge the quality of the rifle, or even the barrel, just by the M.E./T.E. numbers alone. It is common knowledge amongst collectors and armorers that brand new (G.I.) barrels could measure up to a 3 on the throat erosion gauge. A new G.I. barrel could also gauge up to a 1.5 or even a 2 (according to some) at the muzzle. With regard to the throat erosion, for example, a "5" on the gauge is only 5 thousandth's more than zero. And given all the multitude of factors that affect Garand accuracy, that 5 thousandths at the throat means little to nothing standing alone. The condition of the entire bore and especially the condition of the crown plays a much greater role in accuracy and quality. It is true that a lower number at the muzzle will generally indicate a greater potential for accuracy, though that may not play out in practice. The thing is, anything up to a 5 T.E. and/or 5 M.E. is still "serviceable", which means that it should still be capable of meeting or exceeding military accuracy standards - which is all the rifle was intended to do to begin with. Unless you are planning to shoot the rifle in matches, that is plenty good enough. The funny thing is, I have a WW2 production SA with its original barrel that gauged a 3 T.E. and 3 M.E. from CMP that shoots just as well as my Rack Special that has a new Criterion barrel that gauged a 1/1 or less. And with the exception of my H.R.A. that I shoot in matches, that 3/3 SA easily outshoots all of my other Garands even though it has the worst numbers out of the lot. And for collector value, an original matching barrel with a higher (but serviceable) M.E./T.E. is usually much more desirable than a replacement barrel with somewhat lower numbers.
Sorry about the late reply. I was on vacation.
I agree, all of my rifles were good enough at 200yds, but all were service grade and measured at the high end of me/te so I guess hearing all of the “I got the greatest deal” stories made me feel like they were worse than they really were.
 
I ordered some 22 ammo from them earlier this year and it took 4 months to get here. This was ammo they had in stock. I never got any sort of communication .
 
Well, it's been 286 days since I mailed in my packet, but my rifle finally shipped today. I was offered an upgrade from a Field Grade to a Service Grade a couple weeks ago since they oversold Field Grades. Serial number on the order looks like a postwar Springfield or H&R. My money is on Springfield.
 
Well, it's been 286 days since I mailed in my packet, but my rifle finally shipped today. I was offered an upgrade from a Field Grade to a Service Grade a couple weeks ago since they oversold Field Grades. Serial number on the order looks like a postwar Springfield or H&R. My money is on Springfield.
Hope for an H&R. They really are the best made Garands. And some of the
Service Grade H&Rs I have seen (and the one I got) were nearly correct and like new.
 
Well, it's been 286 days since I mailed in my packet, but my rifle finally shipped today. I was offered an upgrade from a Field Grade to a Service Grade a couple weeks ago since they oversold Field Grades. Serial number on the order looks like a postwar Springfield or H&R. My money is on Springfield.
Hope for an H&R. They really are the best made Garands. And some of the
Service Grade H&Rs I have seen (and the one I got) were nearly correct and like new.
The H&R service grade I got only needed a trigger group to be correct.
A friend had one and wanted a Springfield group that came in mine.
So we were both happy after swapping.
 
The H&R service grade I got only needed a trigger group to be correct.
A friend had one and wanted a Springfield group that came in mine.
So we were both happy after swapping.
Feel free to redact the last couple of digits, but what's the s/n of your Garand? I bought one in the mid-90s that's all H&R except for the trigger housing. My s/n is 5694xxx.

There was some discussion at the time on the old C&R email list about some otherwise all correct H&Rs coming out of the CMP with Springfield trigger housings. All of the internal parts were H&R, but just the housings were Springfield. I sent mine to Scott Duff for evaluation and got this letter back in return.

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I actually bought one of the new “Expert” models just because I didn’t care about authenticity. It is essentially a new rifle.
If you are going to shoot it a lot, that is the way to go. I bought a Winchester "Rack Special" a couple of years ago for just that reason. I can use it for practice for the Eastern Games without burning up the barrel in my H&R.
 
My rifle arrived yesterday, it's pretty much exactly what I was hoping for.

GI stock that shows some wear, but is in good condition.
January '54 Springfield receiver
May '54 Springfield barrel
Springfield op-rod
Winchester trigger group
Re-arsenaled at Red River Army Depot in June of '65

I'll take some pics this evening if I remember. Much nicer and cycles much smoother than the CAI Garand I had years ago.
 
My rifle arrived yesterday, it's pretty much exactly what I was hoping for.

GI stock that shows some wear, but is in good condition.
January '54 Springfield receiver
May '54 Springfield barrel
Springfield op-rod
Winchester trigger group
Re-arsenaled at Red River Army Depot in June of '65

I'll take some pics this evening if I remember. Much nicer and cycles much smoother than the CAI Garand I had years ago.


To me the Red River rebuild is a plus. Pretty good chance it's been in storage ever since. Congrats.

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Forgot to add, muzzle erosion reading of 1, throat reading of 2.
Keep a constant watch on Dupage Trading's website. They will periodically get batches of the European/Greek bayonets and sell them cheap, like $25 - $30 apiece or so. They also used to sell them for like 3 for $50, with no scabbards. They come and go in stock, and don't last long when they have them. The only bad thing is they charge $15 flat rate shipping, so I'd buy a few at a time, then sell the extras to my buddies to defray the shipping.
 
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