For the Chinese AK fanboys...

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Homie is talking smack about my Norinco’s. I can say for certain that if they broke after 1000 rounds, I would have killed some of mine 10X over.
 
Case Mouth said:
Yeah, but he is talking about post 93 "ban" guns. Pre 94 were military grade and of much higher quality.
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Weeeeell, in his defense, he was saying that pre-93, quality was already slipping when it was no longer used by their military, it just fell off the deep end after we stopped importing. :p
 
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My Mak-91 National match was one of my favorite AK's. The trigger was the best AK trigger I had ever felt, the sights were laser straight and it was a very smooth shooter. I would it was gassed like a military rifle, not overgassed but definitely in the not perfect range either. I never should have gotten rid of the thing.
Viktor is a great guy and I really really enjoy his opinion on things but we have to keep in mind, he works for Kalashnikov Concern, he will have an inherent bias. Furthermore, I've heard from people in Switzerland that the quality of Chicom AK's available now in the EU is a shadow of what it used to be. Apparently after the imports into the US stopped the quality went down the drain.
Nobody is going to seriously argue that a preban AK or even a Mak-90 isn't a great quality AK.
I'm confident that Viktor is telling the truth as he sees it but he probably wasn't encountering early import era Chinese AK's available here in the US.
 
Solidsnack. said:
My Mak-91 National match was one of my favorite AK's. The trigger was the best AK trigger I had ever felt, the sights were laser straight and it was a very smooth shooter. I would it was gassed like a military rifle, not overgassed but definitely in the not perfect range either. I never should have gotten rid of the thing.
Viktor is a great guy and I really really enjoy his opinion on things but we have to keep in mind, he works for Kalashnikov Concern, he will have an inherent bias. Furthermore, I've heard from people in Switzerland that the quality of Chicom AK's available now in the EU is a shadow of what it used to be. Apparently after the imports into the US stopped the quality went down the drain.
Nobody is going to seriously argue that a preban AK or even a Mak-90 isn't a great quality AK.
I'm confident that Viktor is telling the truth as he sees it but he probably wasn't encountering early import era Chinese AK's available here in the US.
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I agree. China still imports guns into Canada and you can watch some of the reviews on Youtube. They aren't what we got in the '90's. The Type 81's and Type 97's aren't nearly as good.
 
pinkbunny said:


We made the top 3!!!
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Pretty accurate in my amateur opinion. Would have enjoyed hearing his thoughts on PSA though. Also, I like the subtle jab at K-USA there at the end.

And I've seen heroin addicts who look less like a heroin addict than Jim Fuller. Good lord.
 
I kinda want to look up there russian youtube video and translate the comments. I bet it's hilarious.
 
pinkbunny said:
I kinda want to look up there russian youtube video and translate the comments. I bet it's hilarious.
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I want to party with Georgiy Gubich of Kalashnikov Group. Love his Gunbusters series on YouTube, and he seems to have a pretty sarcastic sense of humor.
 
He's hardly a neutral observer, since he works for Kalashnikov and does these videos for their PR dept.
 
I've built about all countries kits imported into the US into rifles besides Albanian and North Korean. Polish, Yugo, Israeli (Galil), Romanian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Russian are all solid. China made good rifles, as we discussed, but they didn't use AKM or AK-47 parts solely. They didn't use the AKM's 23mm barrel journal and kept the AK47 barrel profile for the barrel blocks on the Type 56. Odd choice. Forgotten Weapons looked at the Chinese LS2 export about a year ago and said it had "no redeemable qualities".

The sad counties are.... Egypt (Russian equipment.. blah.. blah.. they should have translated the manuals from Russian) The MISR / Maadi's weren't great and the ones I've built are covered in sloppy tool marks and the barrel journals are always out of spec, India (The INSAS is well recognized all over as garbage) and the Swiss 550 series Kidding.
 
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This is obviously biased - he is employed by KUSA. Pre ban Chinese rifles are great , post rifles have been neutered by removing some features - threaded barrel , pistol grip , bayonet lug. However the “M” in MAK90 means “modified” as in modifications made to allow import into the US market -is anybody clueless enough to believe they started making parts differently or in different factories ? They used the same parts they had on hand before the ban - just made the required mods to allow them to ship
 
digitalpaladin10 said:
I've built about all countries kits imported into the US into rifles besides Albanian and North Korean. Polish, Yugo, Israeli (Galil), Romanian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Russian are all solid. China made good rifles, as we discussed, but they didn't use AKM or AK-47 parts solely. They didn't use the AKM's 23mm barrel journal and kept the AK47 barrel profile for the barrel blocks on the Type 56. Odd choice. Forgotten Weapons looked at the Chinese LS2 export about a year ago and said it had "no redeemable qualities".

The sad counties are.... Egypt (Russian equipment.. blah.. blah.. they should have translated the manuals from Russian) The MISR / Maadi's weren't great and the ones I've built are covered in sloppy tool marks and the barrel journals are always out of spec, India (The INSAS is well recognized all over as garbage) and the Swiss 550 series Kidding.
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I had a 20" barrel Maadi AK with the awful thumbhole stock. The front sight post was canted at about a 20 degree angle and the trigger slap was very painful. I wasn't impressed in the slightest.
 
BrettB said:
This is obviously biased - he is employed by KUSA. Pre ban Chinese rifles are great , post rifles have been neutered by removing some features - threaded barrel , pistol grip , bayonet lug. However the “M” in MAK90 means “modified” as in modifications made to allow import into the US market -is anybody clueless enough to believe they started making parts differently or in different factories ? They used the same parts they had on hand before the ban - just made the required mods to allow them to ship
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Kalashnikov Group vs. Kalashnikov USA. HUGE difference and no relation between the two.

And I know very few folks who shoot their pre-ban Chinese guns at all, let alone running them like Rob Ski on a WASR. Most just sit in their boxes collecting dust, or being sold and resold as "NIB/never fired" for a small fortune. I wonder how many of these NOS guns would run into issues if they actually got shot 500, 1,000, 2,500 times.
 
IUHoosier429 said:
Kalashnikov Group vs. Kalashnikov USA. HUGE difference and no relation between the two.

And I know very few folks who shoot their pre-ban Chinese guns at all, let alone running them like Rob Ski on a WASR. Most just sit in their boxes collecting dust, or being sold and resold as "NIB/never fired" for a small fortune. I wonder how many of these NOS guns would run into issues if they actually got shot 500, 1,000, 2,500 times.
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Yes I had the groups wrong between Kalashnikov group vs USA - but fact remains he has a vested interest.
It’s pretty simple really - the Chinese weren’t producing “newly” built parts and components to assemble rifles - rather they were using stockpiled parts they had on hand. The didn’t build anything specific for export other than the god forsaken thumb hole butt stock. It would have cost more money to set up new different production.
There is a lot of information perpetuating through the firearms industry about what’s better - and its often based on collector value not any appreciable difference in performance - rather driven off of how rare , or cosmetic differences. The Norinco SKS and AKs are some of the best combloc rifles available - i wish I could go back and buy a bunch of the junk SKS and Mak90s at mid 90s prices. At that time everything that wasn’t an AR was “commie junk”
 
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