Game of Thrones creator's new show: Confederacy
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except there would be no north cause they would starve without southern crops and be naked as a jay bird til they figured out how to use paskistani and Chinese slave labor.
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Well, then maybe the show will be full of gratuitously naked women?
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crossing my fingers
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wonder if there be a lot of boobies/soft core porn in this one too
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sounds exactly like man in the high castle - different war though.
The Man in the High Castle is an American dystopian alternative history television series produced by Amazon Studios, Scott Free Productions, Headline Pictures, Electric Shepherd Productions and Big Light Productions.[1] The series is loosely based on the 1962 novel of the same name by science fiction author Philip K. Dick.[2] In the series' alternate version of 1962 America, the Axis powers have won World War II and divided the United States into the Greater Nazi Reich and the Japanese Pacific States. The series follows characters whose destinies intertwine after coming into contact with a series of propaganda films that show a vastly different history from that of their own.
The Man in the High Castle is an American dystopian alternative history television series produced by Amazon Studios, Scott Free Productions, Headline Pictures, Electric Shepherd Productions and Big Light Productions.[1] The series is loosely based on the 1962 novel of the same name by science fiction author Philip K. Dick.[2] In the series' alternate version of 1962 America, the Axis powers have won World War II and divided the United States into the Greater Nazi Reich and the Japanese Pacific States. The series follows characters whose destinies intertwine after coming into contact with a series of propaganda films that show a vastly different history from that of their own.
The comments are interesting to say the least.
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The show is faulty from the start. It's basing the civil war on slavery and making it appear that all the south wanted was to keep slavery as an institution.
It also completely ignores all historical indicators that slavery was only 20-30 years from failing on its own as a viable business practice.
For every slave it took to plant, tend and pick cotton it took 3 to 5 to gin it. Eli Whitney's invention would have seen a reduction in slavery by a third in 5-10 years.
Once the mechanical pickers came on line it would have reduced to 1/8th of that remaining number.
I actually met and had a discussion with a yankee historian with no agricultural background or knowledge who claimed the gin would have increased slavery because the south would have planted 10 times as much cotton.
I deflated his ego and his entire thesis by simply asking if he knew that cotton had to be rotated out at least every 3 years and replaced with something else for 5-10 years so the soil could recover. It's one of the most damaging crops to soil viability.
It also completely ignores all historical indicators that slavery was only 20-30 years from failing on its own as a viable business practice.
For every slave it took to plant, tend and pick cotton it took 3 to 5 to gin it. Eli Whitney's invention would have seen a reduction in slavery by a third in 5-10 years.
Once the mechanical pickers came on line it would have reduced to 1/8th of that remaining number.
I actually met and had a discussion with a yankee historian with no agricultural background or knowledge who claimed the gin would have increased slavery because the south would have planted 10 times as much cotton.
I deflated his ego and his entire thesis by simply asking if he knew that cotton had to be rotated out at least every 3 years and replaced with something else for 5-10 years so the soil could recover. It's one of the most damaging crops to soil viability.
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I liked the man in the high castle
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@Chdamn you reminded me that last weekend, I got tired of playing fallout 4 and switched to Wolfenstein, New World Order, in which the main character "wakes up" in 1960 after the Reich won the war.
Edit to add, the thought occurred to me that shows like this project a dystopian view of the world via an alternate time line. The fact that we're seeing such shows tells me that at some level there is a general understanding that were approaching one of those points where our society will experience upheaval and have to redifine itself. When that happens, the outcome isn't guaranteed to be positive. Still it is interesting to see art imitate what is possibly going through the collective psyche.
Edit to add, the thought occurred to me that shows like this project a dystopian view of the world via an alternate time line. The fact that we're seeing such shows tells me that at some level there is a general understanding that were approaching one of those points where our society will experience upheaval and have to redifine itself. When that happens, the outcome isn't guaranteed to be positive. Still it is interesting to see art imitate what is possibly going through the collective psyche.
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This is from Dan Weiss and Dave Benioff, creators of the show.
Whatever they do after GoT will be a massive letdown. This has been done already, they just called it "Confederate States of America" and it was a two hour mockumentary.
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Totally unrealistic as slavery is uneconomic in an industrialized country. Why pay for food, housing, healthcare, oversight, discipline of slaves when you can pay an hourly wage for low skill labor and fire low productivity workers at will?
But great to play into the left's views of the South and conservatives, and of American history and further erode American pride. Nevermind that America practiced slavery for a relatively short period of time compared to many other populations (including Africans and Muslims) and ended it before most. Nevermind also that the standard of living of American blacks is among the highest, if not the highest, of blacks anywhere on the planet. How many American blacks do you see moving to Africa (apart from the Liberia fiasco - one of the poorest countries in the world). Or how about Haiti - proudly black ruled for over 200 years and a complete disaster.
But great to play into the left's views of the South and conservatives, and of American history and further erode American pride. Nevermind that America practiced slavery for a relatively short period of time compared to many other populations (including Africans and Muslims) and ended it before most. Nevermind also that the standard of living of American blacks is among the highest, if not the highest, of blacks anywhere on the planet. How many American blacks do you see moving to Africa (apart from the Liberia fiasco - one of the poorest countries in the world). Or how about Haiti - proudly black ruled for over 200 years and a complete disaster.
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Yeah, I don't know his politics, nor do I care. This sounds like it will be full of a big pile of propaganda. HBO gets more and more liberal in their programming lineup every month. It's to the point now that I only watch a few shows and the occasional movie. It will be gone soon...
I got excited when I first heard about it, but of course they went with the retard-o version where slavery still exists. It would be much more compelling if they had the North going the way of a totalitarian regime (seems eerily familiar...) and the South maintaining it's status as a constitutional republic more in line with what the founders envisioned. But that would be truly ground breaking and require deep thinking. Wish in one hand, crap in the other...
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All I can think of is this Hank jr song...
Sounds like he's recreating Harry Turtledove's 'Guns of the South' books.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guns_of_the_South
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guns_of_the_South
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I doubt I'll watch it.
I am curious, though, if they'll depict abolition of slavery only in those states which seceeded, while the practice continues in states above the Mason-Dixon.
Wonder if they'll show how even after losing almost 300,000 of her sons, the south being punished even further during a 'reconstruction' period, with plundering by Treasury agents and opportunistic, soulless, carpetbagging vultures...or destitute Confederate widows and children who not only lost husbands/fathers, but personal property as well via seizure due to exponentially high taxes that are imposed. Maybe they'll show them having to beg for food and/or many of them starving to death.
Perhaps they'll show how an almost decimated South is impacted economically even 150 years after the war ended.
I f*cking seriously doubt it.
I am curious, though, if they'll depict abolition of slavery only in those states which seceeded, while the practice continues in states above the Mason-Dixon.
Wonder if they'll show how even after losing almost 300,000 of her sons, the south being punished even further during a 'reconstruction' period, with plundering by Treasury agents and opportunistic, soulless, carpetbagging vultures...or destitute Confederate widows and children who not only lost husbands/fathers, but personal property as well via seizure due to exponentially high taxes that are imposed. Maybe they'll show them having to beg for food and/or many of them starving to death.
Perhaps they'll show how an almost decimated South is impacted economically even 150 years after the war ended.
I f*cking seriously doubt it.
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I fired my TV a few years ago, disgusted with the perversions (literal and figurative) pumped into the viewing lounge. Now, there's naturally more time for reading. I wouldn't ever trust some Hollywood folks to get anything right about the Confederacy. But I do trust Dr. Clyde Wilson. Quoting Austrian Count Hermann Keyserling:
When the American nation finds itself culturally, the hegemony will inevitably pass over to the South. There alone can there be a question of enduring culture. The region below the Potomac possesses the type that was truly responsible for America’s greatness in the past. This is the type of the Southern gentleman, with the corresponding type of woman. For these are the only types of complete souls that the United States has yet produced.
Linky.
When the American nation finds itself culturally, the hegemony will inevitably pass over to the South. There alone can there be a question of enduring culture. The region below the Potomac possesses the type that was truly responsible for America’s greatness in the past. This is the type of the Southern gentleman, with the corresponding type of woman. For these are the only types of complete souls that the United States has yet produced.
Linky.
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Great read.
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Oh for fπ¢k$ sake, not this "we'd still have slavery" $#!T again?!
How bout let's make a movie based on the book; The Probability Broach by L. Neil Smith.
Look it up, it's a good read without revisionist bs.
How bout let's make a movie based on the book; The Probability Broach by L. Neil Smith.
Look it up, it's a good read without revisionist bs.
drypowder
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We still do have slavery. It's practiced by Muslims, as they have practiced it since the time of Muhammad. But nobody on the left wants to talk about that slavery.
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It is also practiced by the government of the United States...
They have sowed the seeds of 'dependency', fertilized them by encouraging it / discouraging self-sufficiency and reaped by getting folks hooked/addicted to dependency as a way of life.
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It's not just the government. Think about how many are "enslaved" via the debt trap which is just as highly encouraged and the sown seeds are such that it's nigh on impossible for most people to bad it.
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So now Amazon's going to counter with their own show about a black-run country comprised of three states given to blacks as reparations that becomes a global superpower while the rest of America falls.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...-program-confederate-black-america/529682001/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...-program-confederate-black-america/529682001/
I guess they never heard of Liberia?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...-program-confederate-black-america/529682001/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...-program-confederate-black-america/529682001/
I guess they never heard of Liberia?
Brings back shades of Dave Chappelle's reparations skit:
KFC and GM have merged to become the largest company in the world!
The world's richest man is simply known as "Tron".
heh...
drypowder
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LMAO. Liberia, Haiti, or any black ruled country on the planet.
But hey, it's fiction, so they are not constrained by reality. Just like Marvel Universe's Wakanda.
That said, I am in favor of balkanization, so if enough blacks buy into this fiction and want their own states, I say give it to them. Same for the liberals, same for any racial, ethnic, or religious group (that includes atheists for whom government is their god) that thinks they can create a better civilization than the one the Founding Fathers created.
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If you could go back and ask this man and his son how "independence" was working out for them...
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Not only are the Boers routinely robbed, raped, and murdered, but the life expectancy of even black South Africans has dropped since the end of apartheid. And it will drop a lot lower if the impending genocide of Afrikaners that western media studiously ignores comes to fruition.