Georgia shooting of a black man

Is wager because the dead guy isn’t going to be on trial.


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From another news story....

On Friday, an attorney for the owner of the house under construction released three security camera videos taken Dec. 17, more than two months before the shooting. They show a black man in a T-shirt and shorts at the site. In the final clip, he walks a few steps toward the road, then starts running at a jogger's pace.

“It now appears that this young man may have been coming onto the property for water,” J. Elizabeth Graddy, the attorney for homeowner Larry English, said in a statement. “There is a water source at the dock behind the house as well as a source near the front of the structure. Although these water sources do not appear within any of the cameras’ frames, the young man moves to and from their locations.”
Next they will be saying he stopped by to drop off some food for the needy.
 
Since the two of them are not very smart, they should ask for a manslaughter plea and avoid a trial. They will have to deal with other inmates who may have a problem with what they did on that day, otherwise hope they have $50K in the savings and loan for lawyer retainers for each of them.
 
Nah, they had ropes in the truck. I was a lynching party. Didn't you see the invitations?

No, didn't see that. I was too busy blocking my neighborhood street with my truck and standing in the road with my shotgun. Doesn't everybody do that at least a couple of times a week?
 
Don't know about you but I've questioned people before with a gun in my hand.

Did it once when I was about 15 and there were two of them.
 
I thought it wasn't supposed to matter for either? How is there equal protection under the law if we ignore the criminal's history but then use the actions of this guys employer 5-15 years ago against him in a situation completely irrelevant to his employment?
The prior bad acts of the deceased would only be relevant in the father/son defense if they could prove they had knowledge of them prior to the actions they took. Still may not be admitted, by the judge at trial, but there is an exception in the rules of evidence.
 
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Thanks! When would the past employment history of the father be relevant?
If my memory serves, the prosecution can use any of it to discredit the defendant. He will use employment records, former employers, supervisors and coworkers. The defendant is free to take the stand and attempt to rehabilitate his reputation, but then would be subject to cross examination. He probably won't.
 
I thought it wasn't supposed to matter for either? How is there equal protection under the law if we ignore the criminal's history but then use the actions of this guys employer 5-15 years ago against him in a situation completely irrelevant to his employment?
It's not supposed to be an issue for either. Only thing that should matter is what happened at that moment. Problem is whenever we have these incidents there are those who's first response is to dig up everything on the dead guy to make him look like he deserved it.

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What will they say next about the father and son blocking the road with a shotgun? They were just setting up to shoot doves?
Nah, folks here say they were just minding their business as they stopped in the traffic lane to confront the man while armed.

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No, some still believe his walking into the vacant house was worthy of armed confrontation.

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Prosecution can show video from property owner of other folks on property and looking around, young kids included.
 
I'm not buying that story. Early reports his mom said he was studying to be an electrician and liked to check out construction sites to see the work.

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I knew it but I thought sheet rocker looking for dead wood.
 
Agreed but it looks like we also have the problem of people digging up everything on the supposed bad guy beyond what happened in that moment. I can't see how his lack of keeping up with required job training has anything to do with a citizen's arrest 10 years later.
Means he was operating outside the rules which says some things about his character considering the position

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It's not supposed to be an issue for either. Only thing that should matter is what happened at that moment. Problem is whenever we have these incidents there are those who's first response is to dig up everything on the dead guy to make him look like he deserved it.

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Nobody needs to dig to find something that prompted the shooting, it's on the video.
 
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Yeah like that black guy in the middle of the night. He too was an electrician.
Given the career of Gregory McMichael, he should have known better. One man dead, two others now have to account for their actions.

Reminds me of the Henry Fonda movie, The Wrong Man.

 
No, I saw citizens making a detention...why would citizens who have the right to keep and bear arms have to disarm to detain a suspect?

So, if I see you walking down the street in front of my house and think you look shady, it would be ok with you if I came out and detained you at gunpoint? And why would a citizen who has the right to freely travel on a public roadway have to do what some Bubba tells him to do? Also, what was he a suspect of? They didn't see him do anything.
 
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So, if I see you walking down the street in front of my house and think you look shady, it would be ok with you if I came out and detained you at gunpoint? And why would a citizen who has the right to freely travel on a public roadway have to do what some Bubba tells him to do? Also, what was he a suspect of? They didn't see him do anything.
You seemed to conveniently leave out the illegal trespassing part.

So yes, if you see me inside your house under construction, you have that right.

And I probably won't even aggressively charge, punch you in the head and try and take the gun from you forcing you to shoot.

But hey, I'm an electrician and I was just making sure you were up to code.
 
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No, I saw citizens making a detention...why would citizens who have the right to keep and bear arms have to disarm to detain a suspect? Do we force the police, who we hire to generally handle these duties for us to disarm themselves before detaining a suspect?
Would a uniformed officer have stopped him at gunpoint?

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You seemed to conveniently leave out the illegal trespassing part.

So yes, if you see me inside your house under construction, you have that right.

And I probably won't even aggressively charge, punch you in the head and try and take the gun from you forcing you to shoot.
And you conveniently left out the part about what they actually witnessed....or didnt witness.

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You seemed to conveniently leave out the illegal trespassing part.

So yes, if you see me inside your house under construction, you have that right.

And I probably won't even aggressively charge, punch you in the head and try and take the gun from you forcing you to shoot.

But hey, I'm an electrician and I was just making sure you were up to code.
But they did not see him in the house.
 
What I am ok with is separate from the law. Is there any law that says a citizen has to disarm before performing a citizens arrest?

Does the public roadway run through that house?
We're they performing a legal citizens arrest since they didn't witness him in the house?
 
Have you ever seen the cops put their guns down before detaining anyone?

Yes, with quite a bit of regularity, and not only that, I've seen cops detain people without drawing a gun to begin with.

No, I saw citizens making a detention...why would citizens who have the right to keep and bear arms have to disarm to detain a suspect? Do we force the police, who we hire to generally handle these duties for us to disarm themselves before detaining a suspect?

They were conducting a false arrest, but nice try. Also, the police you keep referring to are also held accountable for using deadly force, and are also prosecuted when that force isn't justifiable, or when they're found to have attempted a false arrest.
 
So the cops disarm, as in bring no guns with them to detain and investigate?

Have you ever seen the cops put their guns down before detaining anyone?

Which is it, disarming, or putting guns down? As in the difference between being armed and brandishing said arms, or having said arms on your person but not brandishing them in a threatening manner, or not having them at all?

I agree with anyone's right to be armed at all times, including the two bubbas in question. I don't agree that that right encompasses their decision to brandish them in an attempt to force their will on their victim, nor to utilize unjustifiable deadly force.
 
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What I am ok with is separate from the law. Is there any law that says a citizen has to disarm before performing a citizens arrest?

Does the public roadway run through that house?
Dont confuse being armed with an armed confrontation. Nobody said they cant or shouldn't be armed
Again, you're trying to hard to make the square peg fit and it weakens your point.

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“I was leaving the neighborhood and I just caught a guy running into a house being built,” McMichael said during the 911 call, according to the newspaper. “When I turned around, he took off running into the house.”
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ahmaud-arbery-probable-cause-murder-case-georgia-bureau-investigations/
"According to the only witness in the police report, McMichael told investigators he thought Arbery was a burglary suspect and ordered him to stop."
 
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