Georgia shooting of a black man

Discussion in 'Firearms News and Views' started by Variable, May 7, 2020.

  1. James

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    If people were to actually read what others typed instead of trying to twist their words into something to be offended and outraged about, i think they'd find that there were very few, if any, all or nothing people here.
     
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    Tarowah Everybody’s Honey....

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    My take away from the whole situation is the 3 people made extremely poor decisions that lead to this guy getting shot.

    1. The guys in the truck really had zero business interacting with the guy imo, sure they were looking out for the neighborhood, but they should have just kept tabs on him until the cops arrived, if he got into a vehicle, get the tag number for the cops, and be a good a witness, grabbing a firearm and chasing someone down for trespassing isn’t that bright and probably isn’t legal, sure Texas allows you to shoot people caught in the act of B&E but you’re probably in deep dodo if you go pointing weapons at people for trespassing or petty theft UNLESS you’re on your own property, in that case “most” states would deem that a reasonable action while investigating a stranger on your property, but legally you can’t hold them at gunpoint and you dang sure can’t shoot them.

    2. I could very well be off base here as well, but I’m willing to bet that if the “jogger” hadn’t attacked the guy with the shotgun, he probably wouldn’t have been shot let alone killed, even if the father & son did everything wrong through the whole ordeal, I highly doubt they intended to gun the guy down.


    EDIT: I also just thought about something, if a couple of guys (regardless of race) pull up next to me and jump out of their vehicle brandishing a firearm the chances are extremely high I’d do my best to shoot the one with the gun, had those guys did the exact same thing to any number of us, both of those men would probably be dead.
     
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  3. HMP

    HMP Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    Wait, is it a fact or an assumption?
     
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    I believe I read that in one of the early reports. I make the statement in reference to what I believe to be an honest recollection.
     
  5. gc70

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    While not definitive about his religion, his funeral was at the New Springfield Baptist Church in Alexander, Georgia, with interment in the church cemetery.
     
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  6. IrishCannon

    IrishCannon Fight hard.

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    That's how you get nice public parks looking like crap and become a place nobody wants to go.

    What a decent human being would do is not drive onto a clean public field to tear up the landscape, and stand out there with a winter coat on and no shirt like a weirdo. - Some of you make this way too difficult. Grow up and stop making excuses for people that act like turdbags.
     
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    We already have enough of the going around and blasting that (c)rap at 120+dB . Oftentimes, they go to a public place, leave their vehicles while basting that ghetto noise just to piss everyone else off. Right or wrong, that sort of behavior does impact how people will judge others like the guy that got shot in this thread.
     
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  8. Cowboy

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    https://www.foxnews.com/us/ahmaud-a...g-arrested-on-charges-including-felony-murder

    William "Roddie" Bryan Jr., the man who recorded the deadly February shooting of Georgia jogger Ahmaud Arbery, has been arrested on charges of felony murder and criminal attempt to commit false imprisonment, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced Thursday night.
    Bryan will be booked into the Glynn County Jail.

    The death of Arbery, an unarmed black man, was thrust into the national spotlight after cellphone video recorded by Bryan surfaced on social media, prompting outrage against local law enforcement.

    For over 10 weeks after the Feb. 23 shooting, the investigation idled as the Glynn County Police Department largely looked the other way, critics said. Calls for justice grew after the video was leaked.
    Bryan, the 50-year-old neighbor of Gregory and Travis McMichael, a white father and son accused of murdering Arbery, has changed his story multiple times since the video of the shooting came out.

    Bryan initially claimed he was being a good Samaritan by recording Arbery's death, though that description quickly came under heavy scrutiny.

    "He is a liar," Lee Merritt, an attorney hired by Arbery's mother, told Fox News, adding that Bryan's story had changed from saying he was trying to trap Arbery to now "launching a campaign to clear his name."
    If he was a good Samaritan, he would have honked his horn. It's worth noting that on the video, he doesn't even flinch. He doesn't gasp. Shot after shot. He simply takes it all in," Merritt said.

    Arbery's mother, Wanda Cooper-Jones, also told Fox News she wasn't buying the "good neighbor" defense.

    "Why would you videotape it? Why didn't he do anything to help? Why didn't he reach out right after the shooting? Why did he only come forward after the video was leaked?" she said during a telephone interview.
     
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  9. Tailhunter

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    Now taking a video is subject to a murder charge?

    If that was true half the people in NYC would be in jail.
     
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    Probably saying he followed in the attempt to detain which resulted in the killing.
     
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  11. Wahoo95

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    He was part of the group......hence the box in. I'm sure you believe he was just randomly riding down the road minding his business while recoding everything huh?

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    One news article reported Bryan failed to box the man in during the pursuit.
     
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    HMP Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    No, taking video (alone) is not subject to a murder charge. Being involved with a murder is though.
    But you just leave out details if it doesnt match your ideals
     
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    I'm not taking up for the guy but I'm sure if they would apply that standard to them all you would charge half the Internet. Just like this guy 90% of these videos are people waiting for the crime.
     
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    Yes he was part of the group, no way he calmly recorded the murder, waited how long to release video, did nothing at the scene of the murder, tries to paint himself as the good guy, concerned citizen. I’m calling bs. Yup charge him along with his partners in crime.
     
  16. HMP

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    Let us also add the fact that he was recording before the incident. He was recording as he came up on the truck and AA running, he knew something was going down
     
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  17. Wahoo95

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    And the Mcmichaels actually referenced Roddy being with them as they pursued the man.

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  18. Tailhunter

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    Nah, he was just out huntin' and wanted in on the action.

    Is that what you believe?
     
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  19. Wahoo95

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    Nah, I believe he was part of the group since the Mcmichaels said he was with them and responsible for blocking the guy in.

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    "Felony murder" can be an odd one, and I've never seen it appplied to this...what it means is if someone dies as a result of you committing certain felony-level crimes, you can be charged with murder. Typically the example used would be: let's say you attempt to rob someone in their home, and the victim suffers a massive heart attack and dies as a result of you scaring the hell out of them while you were in the process of committing robbery...you didn't kill them, but it wouldn't have happened would you not have been robbing them in the first place.

    I've also see where a group may attempt to rob someone at their home, then the homeowner kills one of the robbers, the others get away...they get slapped with felony murder for their buddy getting killed.

    Here it looks like they're attemping to say "if you didn't box him in he could have gotten away and survived." - pretty shaky, and it ain't gonna stick, imo. Didn't look like his movement was impeded that much if at all by this dude.
     
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    Not going to disagree with the second statement, dude was acting like a douchebag. But if he had done anything actually illegal the cops wouldn’t be fishing for reasons to arrest him like “drugs” or “paraphernalia”. So if you have a problem with people parking on the grass post a sign then have them towed, if there is nothing saying you can’t don’t give people crap when they do. Otherwise your just saying you believe in freedom, unless it is something you find distasteful.
     
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    It can also be applied in instances where you are part of a group in which a felony takes place...for example, you drive some friends over to a guys house, they go in and rob him and kill the home owner, and then you drive the getaway car. You werent a part of the actual murder, but you were an accomplice to the crime at large. It's a very controversial law, even in NC, so no telling how/if its translated in GA.
     
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    Who amongst us believed That bull shit?
     
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    Yes I know he wasn't in S.C. BUT in S.C. the law is "The Hand Of One Is The Hand Of All."
     
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    This thread is somewhat entertaining, but at that same time it is not.

    Stop eating each other. Wait for facts.
     
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    post those instead of theories
     
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    What fun would that be? It's FNF anyway.
     
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    True, everyone likes arguing with someone!
     
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    FNF? I would like to see that acronym spelled out on here myself. Maybe I'm not seeing something that should be obvious or I'm totally clueless by assuming what I think it means. If I'm correct in my thinking, then my thoughts are that there is no place on our forum for those kind of thoughts about our forum. If I'm wrong, then my apologies are offered to everyone.
     
  30. premise

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    Fight Night Friday
     
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    If I had to speculate based on that video, they probably confronted him about going in the house/"dwelling" to which he started screaming "I work MFer!!! It's my day off, MFer!!!" about 18 dozen times and things probably went downhill from there. What a mewling little hothead.
     
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    Ahhh. Gotcha. My apologies. My imagination got the best of me.
     
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    GA State Prosecutor said today that if the man was a witness he would not have been arrested.
    I wonder if they planned this out in advance, given the time between him looking at the house and his jogging routine.
     
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    I wonder about the fellow with the hispanic name who was watching the house for the owner. He made the first call to 911, followed the running guy (on foot rather than in a vehicle), and arrived at the scene immediately after the shooting.
     
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    Did you....reply to yourself?:confused:
     
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    Wrong. Not even close.

    Friday Night Fights.

    :p
     
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    Wrong again. The fights don't only happen at night. Come to think of it they don't only happen on Friday. :eek::oops::confused:;)
     
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    Yes, basically what I said. - There are specific felony crimes that fall under the umbrella to charge felony murder; "accomplice to" felonies are usually all part of it as well. - I'm not sure about Conspiracy charges though, I think you actually have to be involved in the act directly in some way, I could be wrong though.

    I don't typically have a problem with Felony Murder charges.
     
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  39. BatteryOaksBilly

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    Is there a possibility that those in charge "over charged" knowing they wouldn't get a conviction on those charges?
    Depending on how far out the trial is the general public attitude might get a guilty on murder. Other than that I don't think they'll get a guilty on anything other than Voluntary Manslaughter. But really.....not my bailiwick.
     
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    It's very possible, or maybe they have some information we don't, like if prior to this incident the guy filming cut him off while he was running to impede his movement. ??