Georgia shooting of a black man

HMP said:
I saw stuff yesterday or today, I forget
Some are upset only one black man on the jury, I hope that really doesnt make a difference, it shouldnt
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It should not make a difference, but some potential black jurors were apparently dismissed after they said they had heard about the case and the white guys were guilty.
 
At this point I know how I feel about this case, Ive mentioned it throughout this thread.
Im curious what the defense team pulls out to show these three were rightfully acting. As of now, what we, the normies, have seen doesnt look good for these three, in my opinion. Also, if memory serves, looks bad for local LEO for doing nothing with this for months.
Some footage of a man looking in a house being built (done it), some video of a man being chased and sort of trapped (one vehicle front, one rear) by men with a gun. But, again, there might be much more that we havent seen yet.
 
I remember the video and remember thinking the deceased actually caused the shot to go off by yanking the barrel towards himself when it was in the hands of the trigger holder. Met a man a long time ago that had a destroyed right bicep and when asked how that happened? He tells me he pulled his loaded shotgun out of the back of his truck by the barrel and the trigger snagged on something on the way out.
 
Is anybody watching this trial? Or is everybody locked into Rittenhouse?
 
BigWaylon said:
Is anybody watching this trial? Or is everybody locked into Rittenhouse?
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This trial is a mess. I dont want to watch it. I think Kyle’s trial is actually a legit trial that could impact all of us, and deserves keeping up with.
 
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Wahoo95 said:
Not watching but heard the defense is pushing for a mistrial because there were black preachers in the court room.

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In what role? Just sitting in the audience? (Wasn’t sure if it was closed or not)
 
Wahoo95 said:
Not watching but heard the defense is pushing for a mistrial because there were black preachers in the court room.

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I’m sure that piece of dung Jessie Jackson is close somewhere. He’s back out again from hiding.
 
BigWaylon said:
Is anybody watching this trial? Or is everybody locked into Rittenhouse?
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Watched some of the prosecutor cross examining the son. Those clowns had no business going after the guy. Just my opinion. I know what it's like to get your construction site ripped off, My father did build a couple houses back in the day, but in the end, they had no proof and acted irresponsibly. Just the kind of asshats that make gun owners look bad.

Just a side note. While my Happyboard neighborhood was being built, mine was actually the first house, I toured a few of the ones that are the same model as mine while they were being built to get some insight in to where stuff was inside the walls, etc. I got questioned by a passing cop patrolling because HVAC stuff was disappearing. I explained to him what I was doing and why, and he was cool with it and we both got on with our lives.
 
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I watched this. A very good example of (1) Why you never, ever talk to Law enforcement until you have calmed down AND retained an attorney present and (2) Never brandish a gun until you are accepting all potential consequences, especially a trial.

There is reasonable doubt, but there is doubt about Arbrey. Did he think he was being pursued and then had a gun pulled on him for just jogging and reviewing construction? If he felt in danger and cornered, wouldn't he try to neutralize the shotgun by grabbing it away? Stupid, but think about it. People do stupid stuff all the time... .not to mention when you are full of Fight or Flight.

Too much "what-if's". Next time, call the cops and let them handle someone walking through a job site.

But, after watching what little bit I saw, only the man who pulled the trigger should be on trial.

I do not like Prosecutors (Rittenhouse and this trial) asking the question of a citizen as to why they are all worried about something going on in THEIR neighborhood or THEIR city. Both cases they are taking that tact. Which is stupid, shouldn't we all be concerned about our neighborhoods, and our cities? Because if you defund the police this is exactly what you are going to have.
 
VA_GENTLEMAN said:
Too much "what-if's". Next time, call the cops and let them handle someone walking through a job site.

But, after watching what little bit I saw, only the man who pulled the trigger should be on trial.
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I agree with most of what you wrote. I was walking around way early in the morning before the crews showed up, so I wouldn't get in the way or told to leave by the Jefe'. Someone may have called or maybe the cop was doing extra patrolling. Don't know, don't care. He had a legit reason to talk to me about what I was doing.

The guy who pulled the trigger had helpers. Aren't they just as culpable according to the law in most cases?
 
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TripleO7 said:
Those clowns had no business going after the guy.
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This is why that situation doesn't matter. There was no reason to stop the person in the 1st place. So what if one of the cowboys was a CPO in the Coast Guard. It wasn't on a boat, port, dock, or anyplace under Maritime Authority.

Totally different than KR.
 
noway2 said:
Shouldn't the community be looking out for each other? Why should it be to each their own, only?
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Call the police. That's what the cops are for, and last I heard the cops in that town weren't "standing down". I didn't say to each their own.

The tough guys like some here claim to be are on trial for murder now. I guess the possibility of some copper wire getting ripped off is worth it. Right?
 
VA_GENTLEMAN said:
Next time, call the cops and let them handle someone walking through a job site.
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TripleO7 said:
Call the police. That's what the cops are for, and last I heard the cops in that town weren't "standing down".
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As in Asheville and many other towns big and small..the cops are not going to answer a call about trespassing thieves on a construction site.
How am I sure of this? The cops said so.
Oh sorry..3 days later, yeah. "Yep. Looks like everything got stolen. Shame. Fill out this report."
'Call the cops' is a weak position with which to go all in. How am I sure of this?

The cops said so.
 
Friday said:
As in Asheville and many other towns big and small..the cops are not going to answer a call about trespassing thieves on a construction site.
How am I sure of this? The cops said so.
Oh sorry..3 days later, yeah. "Yep. Looks like everything got stolen. Shame. Fill out this report."
'Call the cops' is a weak position with which to go all in. How am I sure of this?

The cops said so.
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I agree.... I should have prefaced with, "During the testimony of the Shooter"... his description of events and once he called the police and there was no threat..... Lay back.
 
VA_GENTLEMAN said:
f he felt in danger and cornered, wouldn't he try to neutralize the shotgun by grabbing it away?
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Now, maybe I misread, but one of the guys/defendants said this is what happened, that he went for the gun. I THINK that's what I read earlier, I dont mean to mislead so I apologize. I was eating lunch and talking to kids while reading
 
Friday said:
As in Asheville and many other towns big and small..the cops are not going to answer a call about trespassing thieves on a construction site.
How am I sure of this? The cops said so.
Oh sorry..3 days later, yeah. "Yep. Looks like everything got stolen. Shame. Fill out this report."
'Call the cops' is a weak position with which to go all in. How am I sure of this?

The cops said so.
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Thusly kill a man. Got it.
 
A black man I ... well, i know him too well to respect him... but i know he'd have my back and i'd have his if needed... he's a conspiracy nut. It is his opinion that the news ONLY publishes stories about questionable situations. All the clear cut ones people should be mad about (e.g. white cop shoots black man 6 times in the back while he was trying to get into his own home with hands full of sub sandwiches and is not alleged to have committed any crime, or white swat cop shoots unarmed black man while he's laying on the ground with his hands in the air.) tend to get glossed over. The news says "yes yes, this is a tragedy, we must do better" but then moves on.
But... Anything questionable that can be used to whip people up into a frenzy IS used. It doesn't matter what the facts say, the rabble must be roused. lie if you have to, just so long as you're driving a wedge into race relations.

The georgia boys did some stupid stuff and they'll probably go down for it. some of the cops that tried to let them off will probably also face some repercussions. We should be mad about a lot of that... but justice seems to be working as intended there. Nothing to see, move along.
Meanwhile, a white boy who shot 3 white criminals, and is being prosecuted by white men in a trial presided over by a white judge.... well that just screams racism, doesn't it? clearly he's a white supremist because biden told me so when he campaigned on it.
 
HMP said:
Now, maybe I misread, but one of the guys/defendants said this is what happened, that he went for the gun. I THINK that's what I read earlier, I dont mean to mislead so I apologize. I was eating lunch and talking to kids while reading
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Yeah.. I get mixed up too... I'm working while both are in the background so I could mis-hear easily.
 
TripleO7 said:
Thusly kill a man. Got it.
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Not gonna lie, I don't have a huge problem with it.
Stuff was stolen from your job site, right? how much does that cost you? let's just say $1,000, which would be a minor loss in terms of how much you could have lost... google tells me the average pay for a union carpenter is $24/hr
So that's over 41 hours of work you have to do to make that money... but you're not going to make it because you already have to work 40 hours a week. That money and time is gone. You worked so that somebody else could make money off of you, without your consent. There's a word for that.
 
Being indignant about a documented prevalence of thieves in the neighborhood was not a good reason to chase down Mr Arbery.

Mr Arbery being indignant about being chased down by a couple bubbas is a dumb reason for Mr Arbery to charge and apparently attempt to disarm one of the defendants. You attempt to grapple an armed man YOU have just initiated a gun-fight, IMO. Regardless, these defendants will likely go down on some serious charges, especially after today's testimony.

Regarding "call the cops", I don't think anyone can base their expectations on logic, reason, or preconceptions of what the response may be from the justice system anymore. Sad as it is, there is not an institution in American life that has not been politicized, no one on "either side" is going to end up liking it, and nobody's high horse will save them from it.
 
Aardvark said:
Being indignant about a documented prevalence of thieves in the neighborhood was not a good reason to chase down Mr Arbery.

Mr Arbery being indignant about being chased down by a couple bubbas is a dumb reason for Mr Arbery to charge and apparently attempt to disarm one of the defendants. You attempt to grapple an armed man YOU have just initiated a gun-fight, IMO. Regardless, these defendants will likely go down on some serious charges, especially after today's testimony.

Regarding "call the cops", I don't think anyone can base their expectations on logic, reason, or preconceptions of what the response may be from the justice system anymore. Sad as it is, there is not an institution in American life that has not been politicized, no one on "either side" is going to end up liking it, and nobody's high horse will save them from it.
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Keep in mind the video, 3 ish minutes IIRC, is not the entirety of the situation. I thought they were going around the neighborhood looking for him. GBI is saying there were chasing him through the neighborhood and blocking his ability to leave. Which is where the kidnapping related charges come from. Multiple times they apparently bumped him with their truck as well. So, how long do you get chased around by a group of armed men that you can't escape before you attempt to go through them?
 
Aardvark said:
Being indignant about a documented prevalence of thieves in the neighborhood was not a good reason to chase down Mr Arbery.

Mr Arbery being indignant about being chased down by a couple bubbas is a dumb reason for Mr Arbery to charge and apparently attempt to disarm one of the defendants. You attempt to grapple an armed man YOU have just initiated a gun-fight, IMO. Regardless, these defendants will likely go down on some serious charges, especially after today's testimony.

Regarding "call the cops", I don't think anyone can base their expectations on logic, reason, or preconceptions of what the response may be from the justice system anymore. Sad as it is, there is not an institution in American life that has not been politicized, no one on "either side" is going to end up liking it, and nobody's high horse will save them from it.
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In the video they have him sort of blocked with the first truck. To state that it's dumb to go after a person with a gun...I dontknow, Ive not been in teh situation. But while no contact had happened before, if guys are threatening and pull out a shotgun then I can understand why he felt threatened and would try to disarm.
 
TripleO7 said:
Call the police. That's what the cops are for, and last I heard the cops in that town weren't "standing down". I didn't say to each their own.

The tough guys like some here claim to be are on trial for murder now. I guess the possibility of some copper wire getting ripped off is worth it. Right?
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That’s all well & good but, at some point citizens gotta take up the slack. We need to get back to “well he needed killin anyway. A thief needs killin whether it a skilsaw or a $1000. Who should do that killin? Why the property owner of course, that’s how this shit stops. There life is of no consequence. Rioters, looters, worthless POS blocking roads with their racist protests keeping Taxpayers from their travels. Put em down like mad dogs. No one really cares. This Ashbury dude was a thief looking to steal something, he needed killin. Ask George Floyd’s parents if they’d rather have old George back or all those $$$. We all know the answer to that question.
 
Gunbelt said:
That’s all well & good but, at some point citizens gotta take up the slack. We need to get back to “well he needed killin anyway. A thief needs killin whether it a skilsaw or a $1000. Who should do that killin? Why the property owner of course, that’s how this shit stops. There life is of no consequence. Rioters, looters, worthless POS blocking roads with their racist protests keeping Taxpayers from their travels. Put em down like mad dogs. No one really cares. This Ashbury dude was a thief looking to steal something, he needed killin. Ask George Floyd’s parents if they’d rather have old George back or all those $$$. We all know the answer to that question.
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Feelin’ better, are we? 😂
 
HMP said:
In the video they have him sort of blocked with the first truck. To state that it's dumb to go after a person with a gun...I dontknow, Ive not been in teh situation. But while no contact had happened before, if guys are threatening and pull out a shotgun then I can understand why he felt threatened and would try to disarm.
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IIRC, You've indicated before in this thread that you, unarmed, if confronted on a public street by someone who exited their vehicle wielding a shotgun, you thought that putting the distance of their vehicle between you then bolting 25 feet or so toward them to try to disarm them might be a reasonable way to produce a good outcome. I'm not seeing that as taically prudent. I'm not seeing it. Especially if the person with the shotgun had already stated they "just wanted to talk to me", or even if they didn't, I'd assume talking was at that point my best option. I'd not think I was about to be kidnapped or executed on the spot.

Whether the attempt to disarm excuses the shooting is a separate question. I'm just questioning why you'd see Arbery's move as well-reasoned tactics.
 
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