Glock shooting left, help!

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So first off, I’ve always shot my 19s that I have had to the left. Maybe 3 inches left from poa from 7-10 yards. I don’t shoot pistol great anyways but my groupings aren’t outrageous.
So, last time out I tried to adjust my grip slightly and still shooting left. I switch to my left hand to shoot and then I shoot right of poa.
Thanks for any hints or tips, things I can try.
 
It’s endemic to Glocks. Ken Hackathorn and Larry Vikers even talked about it today. Just adjust your rear sight right.

EDIT: My "answer" above is a little too brief. Perhaps I should say that it was discussed as endemic to Glock shooters with Glock pistols due to the mechanics of the human trigger finger and Glock triggers.
 
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So first off, I’ve always shot my 19s that I have had to the left. Maybe 3 inches left from poa from 7-10 yards. I don’t shoot pistol great anyways but my groupings aren’t outrageous.
So, last time out I tried to adjust my grip slightly and still shooting left. I switch to my left hand to shoot and then I shoot right of poa.
Thanks for any hints or tips, things I can try.

Concentrate on not anticipating (mix in some dummy rounds) and also consciously keep the sights lined up on the target even when the gun is going off (follow through).

Adopting weird grips and jacking your sights all the way to the right aren't real solutions.
 
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Every single Glock shoots left? :confused: Please don’t tell mine, they didn’t get the memo.
The guy who makes Heine sites even used to manufacture his rear sights for Glocks with the notch adjusted slightly right. I don't think he does that anymore. Lefty shooters and all that.
Both Ken and Larry discussed drifting their Glock rear sights right almost by default.

Perhaps the way I should have put it is that it is often endemic to Glock shooters and is often problematic, but clearly not for all. As I edited above, a combination of the mechanics of the human trigger finger and Glock triggers.

I had to drift the rear sight to the right on my G17, but not my other two Glock 9mms.

Disclaimer, I'm just sharing what was told to me by Ken and Larry who were both shooting Glocks and acknowledged that wherever you go in the world, you are more likely to see a Glock, by far, than any other handgun.
 
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Get a .22 conversion and shoot about 5K rounds through it, correcting as you go, grip, sight picture and MOST of all trigger press.
It sure worked for our buddy. That Advantage Arms conversion did wonders for him.
 
I would say drift the sight if POI was consistent but since you mention pushing the shots right with your weak hand that will get even worse.

Could try more trigger finger, reach way in, like at the knuckle instead of the pad, Pat Mac does this, and I have seen it work for many people. I find this option MAY be a problem when you pick up a gun that doesn't have a mile long trigger, heavy break, and goofy grip angle.

A little dry fire sometimes helps me when I have trigger press issues. Shooting rimfires never translated.
 
Dry fire I have no jerking issues at all. I didnt radically change my grip. Basically I was gripping the gun deep into the groove between my thumb and trigger finger and this was causing me to have to bring the muzzle back to the right by twisting my wrist a little to line up the sights without moving my head too much. Now I am gripping it more naturally as if i just pulled it from the holster and not trying to get it in that deep groove. It now points more naturally and the sights line up without moving my wrist at all.
Im thinking trigger control but Im not positive. Like I said, dry firing I dont have any issue with yanking the gun to the left.
 
Maybe because I have shot Glocks a lot since 1991, I don't have this problem. Unless I'm shooting faster than my ability, I can stay pretty well on line with my Glocks, revolvers, or other semi auto pistols. If there are more Glocks than any other handgun, you're going to see more good and bad things out of them. Same thing is that you'll find more issues with a Toyota Camry than with a Bentley Mulsanne.
 
Dry fire I have no jerking issues at all. I didnt radically change my grip. Basically I was gripping the gun deep into the groove between my thumb and trigger finger and this was causing me to have to bring the muzzle back to the right by twisting my wrist a little to line up the sights without moving my head too much. Now I am gripping it more naturally as if i just pulled it from the holster and not trying to get it in that deep groove. It now points more naturally and the sights line up without moving my wrist at all.
Im thinking trigger control but Im not positive. Like I said, dry firing I dont have any issue with yanking the gun to the left.

You aren't anticipating recoil when dry firing but you are when actually shooting. If you randomly load some dummy rounds and have somebody watch you jerk the gun when you get the misfires this will prove it to you.
 
imo...step one, which I think has been totally overlooked here..is to bench shoot that gun in some fashion that's reliable. Use a solid surface and a solid rest. Only then will you be able to confirm or deny the gun is the problem or you are the problem.
What happens if you firmly support the gun using a solid rest, and it shoots the x-ring every time? Or it groups all of them 3" left of center?
Until you establish the guns base-line, you'll be chasing shadows.
 
Dry fire I have no jerking issues at all. I didnt radically change my grip. Basically I was gripping the gun deep into the groove between my thumb and trigger finger and this was causing me to have to bring the muzzle back to the right by twisting my wrist a little to line up the sights without moving my head too much. Now I am gripping it more naturally as if i just pulled it from the holster and not trying to get it in that deep groove. It now points more naturally and the sights line up without moving my wrist at all.
Im thinking trigger control but Im not positive. Like I said, dry firing I dont have any issue with yanking the gun to the left.

What seemed telling is that you don’t mention your left hand.
I think you are going to find that the left hand is most important part of your grip.
You should be crushing pretty hard. This will allow you to relax your right hand and trigger finger quite a lot.
Imagine holding gun entirely with your left hand and just sticking your trigger finger in trigger and pulling it.
 
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Maybe because I have shot Glocks a lot since 1991, I don't have this problem. Unless I'm shooting faster than my ability, I can stay pretty well on line with my Glocks, revolvers, or other semi auto pistols. If there are more Glocks than any other handgun, you're going to see more good and bad things out of them. Same thing is that you'll find more issues with a Toyota Camry than with a Bentley Mulsanne.

I am guessing you shot a lot of revolvers, actually using the double action, before you ever shot a Glock. That usually makes Glocks easier to master.
 
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Does it have the frame with the finger grooves? I found those pesky grooves wouldn't allow me to hold my pistol the way I wanted. I had to adapt to the firearm. I shoot my 2nd gen better than my 3rd and 4th gens. Still shoot them proficiently just took lots of practice and training when I found what works for me.
 
An option,

Unless you have access to a shooting vise, shoot from a bench with a rest/brace/sand bags to help figure out if its the sights or your grip/trigger finger placement. Then have someone else shoot it from the same setup. It wont 100% rule out the shooter but it helps.
 
I need to get out with my other pistols too but I do know that my cz p07 I shoot centered. Had my friends G23 there to tell me that.
I don’t have any mods to the gun but a lone wolf connector and spring kit.
 
I need to get out with my other pistols too but I do know that my cz p07 I shoot centered. Had my friends G23 there to tell me that.
I don’t have any mods to the gun but a lone wolf connector and spring kit.

Just sell the Glock and butt another CZ then. Simple solution.
 
Before I learned how to shoot I could make consistent groups low, left of center. This is because I was consistently utilizing a terrible trigger pull and grip.

Heavy support hand grip, press straight back on the trigger.

Or drift your rear sight...
 
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Then have someone else shoot it from the same setup. It wont 100% rule out the shooter but it helps.
I do this all the time. I'll get @Muddy or Festus over here and in a fit of frustration..."shoot this damn thing!" If they end up with the same lousy-ness I figure it ain't all me.
Do it with good shooting guns as well. "See what you can do with this." If they pepper the salt with it too I reckon the gun is good to go.

Not just anyone will do. You need someone who has considerable trigger time and is a known quantity.
 
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It's pretty easy to tell if it's you or the gun without wasting any ammo.
What happens when you dry fire? Can you see the sight moving when the trigger breaks? If so, keep adjusting your grip and working with dry fire until you don't do that.
 
I would say drift the sight if POI was consistent but since you mention pushing the shots right with your weak hand that will get even worse.

Could try more trigger finger, reach way in, like at the knuckle instead of the pad, Pat Mac does this, and I have seen it work for many people. I find this option MAY be a problem when you pick up a gun that doesn't have a mile long trigger, heavy break, and goofy grip angle.

A little dry fire sometimes helps me when I have trigger press issues. Shooting rimfires never translated.
Our experience in relation to the rim fire, is, the platform has to be the same. A Glock shooting RFs will give the same sight picture and most important the same trigger press. I don't think shooting a Ruger Target gun will help beat a Glock problem. The help comes from having the same gun, with less blast and recoil. Allows people having trouble to correct it. We have seen it work wonders here on more than one occasion. Your experience may differ. I dry fire and live fire every day. I always tell folks who come here to work a half hour a day on dry fire. Live fire ONLY verifies your dry practice. Draw, present, press, and recover every day. It'll do wonders.
 
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So first off, I’ve always shot my 19s that I have had to the left. Maybe 3 inches left from poa from 7-10 yards. I don’t shoot pistol great anyways but my groupings aren’t outrageous.
So, last time out I tried to adjust my grip slightly and still shooting left. I switch to my left hand to shoot and then I shoot right of poa.
Thanks for any hints or tips, things I can try.

While getting someone else to confirm a pistol's accuracy is a sound idea, you have provided strong testimony that your pistol's sights are not misaligned. Mechanically misaligned sights would cause the pistol to shoot off in one direction without regard to which hand you used to shoot. What you have described involves consistently pushing or twisting the pistol's point of aim away from the hand (right or left) you are using to shoot.

Your trigger finger can push the pistol to the side if you apply lateral pressure to the trigger rather than pulling straight back. You can also twist the pistol if you substantially tighten the grip of the support fingers of your shooting hand while you are pulling the trigger.

Placement and movement of the trigger finger is something you can check -and should practice extensively- by dry firing. Tightening the support fingers while pulling the trigger tends to be done in anticipation of recoil and can be a difficult habit to break.
 
Great. Is there something relevant?

This one is better, put together bu some guy names Louis, but still not a substitute for training or practice with someone who can actually watch you shoot. Diagnosing what you are doing right or wrong over the Internet without seeing someone actually shooting is just a WAG.

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One thing is for sure:
If I had a nickle for every Glock I saw at the range shooting low left, I would be a brazillionaire!!


However, for some reason, I wouldn't make a dime at a USPSA match. Those Glocks all seem to shoot very straight.
 
Glocks are highly inaccurate guns so it's pretty normal not to be able to hit much with them.
I've shot my G17 beside my SA Range Officer and Colt Government, both 5", and at 20 yards as much as I like those two 1911's, there's nothing they can do the G17 won't do, except make bigger holes.
 
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OK, so I shot today. Concentrated more of trigger movement and control. Didnt hold my strong hand so tightly. When I did these things, it vastly improved POI for me. Im between 0-1'' left now and I think that some of that is me putting too much of the front sight into the left side of the rear sight. Theyre stock Glock sights and no I dont really want to upgrade till I get some more trigger time and get this thing more in line with where my POI is good with my POA.
 
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OK, so I shot today. Concentrated more of trigger movement and control. Didnt hold my strong hand so tightly. When I did these things, it vastly improved POI for me. Im between 0-1'' left now and I think that some of that is me putting too much of the front sight into the left side of the rear sight. Theyre stock Glock sights and no I dont really want to upgrade till I get some more trigger time and get this thing more in line with where my POI is good with my POA.

Excellent!!

I think your attitude is really good. But, I'd ditch those sights in a New York minute!
 
Have you considered aiming to the right? Or, perhaps, yelling and insulting your Glock for being plastic and fake? I know that I like being degraded and it "straightens me right out." (if u no wut Mu means)
 
I always shoot the crappy stock Glock sights to the left. If I need to drift one to the right, I drift it all the way right into the trashcan :D
 
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