Discussion in 'Handguns' started by Millie, May 14, 2019.
What can you say to that but WOW!
Well, it did seem like a great idea....but now I can't get the slide off the gun, and it's not like I haven't done it before! LoL. Those little things you have to pull down are really tight, and I can't hold them down to slide the slide off....dang!!!
(Not quitting, though, just taking a cursing break.)
Getting that spring in and out of the magazine release is much harder than taking the slide off. Your magazine release is on the correct side...it really isn't a good idea to swap it to the other side. Speed and smoothness will come with practicing good technique...not gimmicks or unnecessary aftermarket parts. People make USPSA and IDPA master every year using stock Glock mag releases and the stock setup is best since it is also your carry gun.
What problems can come from bigger/backwards magazine buttons? Now you got me curious.
The most likely one is hitting the button when you don't intend to and dropping the magazine at a bad time. It isn't a bad thing that you have to reach a little bit to hit it.
I'll think about it, but moving that thing to the other side does seem like a great solution. I'll keep working on it where it is for now, but it may have to go!
Next time you're down this way I can change it in about 90 seconds. If you don't like it, I can change it back.
I hope to be down that way soon. If I can't do it, then you can have at it, and thanks! It looks simple enough in the video, but I'm not real handy about stuff like that.
Nothing to it. I'll learn ya how to take it apart and put it back together.
By the way, when I had it on the non-dominant side, I could cover it easily with my dominant side thumb, but there was still a subtle shift in grip 'emphasis' such that I would have to re-acquire a proper grip. Plus, my non-dominant hand was already off the pistol, so I was going to re-acquire a two-handed grip anyway. I guess my roundabout way of explaining is trying to make the point that a grip shift at mag change is going to happen unless you figure out a way to reload using some part of your body other than your hand.
I think maybe sometimes we get ourselves all wound around the training axle and manage to lose sight of the real world goal of deploying the weapon?
My nose, maybe? Nope, the gun is way too close to my face then....not liking that.
I've been messing around with the magazine button off and on all afternoon, and trying various ways to grip the gun and still be able to press it without doing my usual inefficient style/using left hand to help push the button.
Some ways of changing my grip cause me to cover the opposite end of the button (the part on the right side of the grip) so I can't push it in. Unless I put all my finger-tips along the front right edge of the the grip (near grooves) I can't hit the button hard enough for the magazine to drop out. So annoying.
I've also tried pushing in on the right side of the button, just to see if I can push it if I reversed it...nope, not really, but it's hard to tell without actually changing it. I'm giving my hands a rest now and will take this up in the morning.
I'm done for real this time: I've got it so I can work the button with my right thumb, but it involves a weird little move where I kind of toss the gun in my hand a bit to get it positioned right to hit the button! LOL. It's not pretty, but I need to let a gun person see it and give me advice on whether I should keep it up or try another way...but I think this might be the way, unless I start moving parts around on the gun. Someone's going to get a laugh out of this, I'm pretty sure!
If you are able to drop the magazine without the help of your left hand and still securely hold the gun with this amount of turn, and not break the 180, you are probably fine. Theoretically your thumb is your strongest digit. Injury, genetics, and/or too much playstation can affect this so it may not be true for you...but your thumb will probably get stronger/used to this just like you were able to increase your hand strength enough to shoot the Glock after some practice/experience.
To get an idea of how it will look/feel with the button reversed, switch the gun to your left hand. Your left hand is most likely weaker than your right so it won't be exactly the same but a good representation.
Don't let this frustrate you...it will get better with practice.
I think the 180 might be an issue, I'll need someone to look. Probably my hand/thumb will get stronger, like you said, because I wasn't even able to shoot a g19 7 months ago and I can now, so.....
Trying it with my left hand was no good, my left index finger is pretty weak. But I can get the button reversed and give it a go at Billy's, and see what happens.
Every time I think I have my gun problems "solved" a new one pops up! Is that "normal", or am I unusually weird??? Lol. It's a little annoying to keep running into issues all the time, or is that how it goes for most new shooters?
I think all of this is just part of it and none of it seems abnormal.
Competitions and fast reloads are learning processes (not problems) that most gun owners never attempt, guns (your Sig) break if you shoot them a lot...some sooner than others, and your RIA did have an issue but issues have always been common with 1911s in my experience.
Some are luckier than others but if you stick with it you should expect that you will never feel fast enough, more stuff is gonna break, and you will get a lemon every now and then. I think the challenge is good and the mechanical stuff is interesting to me but unfortunately very expensive at times.
Thanks for the encouragement. I'm sure I'll get things sorted out with this button issue, and I expect other things will pop up along the way, but I'll deal with them with advice/help from y'all, as I have in the past. Lol.
Why did we choose such an expensive "hobby" anyway?
'Cause it was cheaper than cars.
Here's the latest thrilling installment:
This is how I've worked out my grip for getting to the button one-handed.
Trigger finger ends up way behind the others, and away from the "back" side of the button, and most importantly, away from the trigger/trigger guard! Just have to be aware of the 180* while everything else is happening around me....lol.
Thanks for all the advice/videos/input, it's all been helpful, as always!
And you need less room to have 50+.
Imagine the safe.
I did a long consulting job that had me living on the estate of a very wealthy entrepreneur in Italy. When he built, he excavated for a huge subterranean garage. Down there, he housed millions of dollars in rare Ferrari’s. I could never understand why he ruined extremely expensive tires by allowing them to leak until flat (at least on the cars he didn’t actually drive). On reflection, flat tires were obviously an additional anti theft measure.
Millie I'd like to suggest maybe you need a second opinion on your grip? When you hold your pistol is the slide making an angle with your arm or is it lined up with your arm?
If the gun is rotated too far right, your thumb wont reach the release, your finger grabs too much trigger and recoil will be less controllable because its pushing on the meat of your hand instead of pushing straight back into your arm
I'll get someone (no idea who, at the moment) to look at my grip, but I'm pretty sure it's all good. Maybe Billy can have a look if I ever get back to B.Oaks.
My arms are straight out, the slide is in line with my arm. The gun(s) push back into the "V" between thumb and trigger finger. I think that's the way it's supposed to go, right? My instructor looked at my grip over many months, so I'm pretty sure it's ok. I think I just like guns with beefy grips, and am going to have to work around my hands being smaller than a guy's...lol...
That sounds right.
Check out this video from Warrior Poet on YouTube. Fast forward to the 2:00 mark to get past the goofing around part. It’s certainly something that could be helpful with a lot of practice.
Sissy Hankshaw thumbs and you'd be set.
I have the same issue with most double stacked frames. We have small hands. It’s us, not the gun. No matter the size of the release I still have to often adjust my grip to reach it by letting the pistol rotate a bit, then re-grip. My EDC is a G19 Gen 5, and I don’t have as much issue with it as I did the Gen3’s, the grip is slimmer.
You’ll want to put the smallest backstrap you have on the grip in order the get the thumb as close to it as possible. Might want to look into European style paddle mag release you hit with the index finger if it becomes a huge issue for you. Like on the HK VP9 and some of the Walthers.
I don't think it's going to be a huge issue, I've been working on my grip, and will just have to make adjustments to get that little flip of the gun going, then get my grip back to shoot. It's been interesting trying to work that out, and as we all know, I like a challenge. I'll keep working at it and see if I can find a way over the summer, so that I can be ready for some matches in the fall.
I did plan to put one of the beavertails that came in the box with the gun, but after I saw a video of a guy doing that, I said, nope not gonna open that bag of worms!! I may reconsider changing some stuff back there after a few months if I really just can't get it to work for me as is. But I've barely had this gun for a month (?), and I'll keep at it over the next few months, then see where I am.
Thanks for the input!
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