Forum politics aside, i thought this was good info from trace armory group. Mods please help me keep this up, i think it is ok since there is no direct link?. I am in no way affiliated with this company.
text below is talking about this video.
"My point is this, in a group of people enjoying a concert, not enough people know what to do. Why would they? You are only taught cover and concealment from military, law enforcement or quality self-defense training companies. As time goes on the masses are less and less educated. I would like to help change this. This is not to point a finger at people’s reactions of this or other events. They simply do not know what the proper technique and course of action is. It’s my job to correct that.
Lets get started.
When you watch the attached Youtube video I want you to hear the shots being fired. Let the video play for 17 seconds and just hear the report of the shots and pause after 17 seconds
5 seconds till 12 seconds: That is the sound of near to full auto rifle fire that is not aimed at your location.
12 seconds till 48 seconds is a lull in the shooting. Time to move, take care of others, do as you can.
49 seconds till 1 minute is a DIRECT THREAT to the camera man!!!!
1min till 1:17: lull in the fire, time to move, take care of others, do as you can.
1:17 to 1:26: shooting starts back, BUT ITS NOT AIMED AT YOU, no SNAP of the bullet, you can still run, you can still take care of others.
1:26 till 2:02: Lull in firing help others, get out
2:02 till 2:14: DIRECT THREAT!!! Bullets flying all around you!!! find behind cover or concealment, find a solid object to get behind and try to help others!!!
2:15 till 2:30: Lull in the fire, you can MOVE!
2:30 till 2:41: DIRECT THREAT!!! First part of the video we hear ricochet off objects and the ground THIS IS VERY CLOSE DANGER
The question becomes what clues make me post what is a direct threat at the camera man, and what is shooting but not a threat?
Go back to the video and set it at 48 seconds and start it again.
49 seconds till 1 min: you can hear two sounds. The first is a snap, the second is the same sound from the 0-17 second mark.
The snapping sound is a bullet within 100 feet of your ears. It could be closer, it could be beside you, over you, under you, no way of telling the direction of flight path in relation to you hearing the snap.
The report of the shot is the gunpower going off at the firing location. This sound is unique to the situation and the location of the shooter. But you will always get both reports even if the shooter has a suppressor on the firearm.
Go ahead and restart the linked video and go from the start to the 1 min mark and listen so the shots being made, and the sounds of them.
start till 13 seconds firing starts, none directed at this cameraman’s location. a stop in fire from 13 seconds till 49 seconds.
That a window of 36 seconds to run like hell towards hard solid objects. Do not run without a plan. The plan is to move towards one hard object to the next hard object. If you have a break in the fire and can run non-stop it should be directed towards hard objects and then the next object. Why you ask? When the gunman start up again, you have some place to go or you just past the safe location. You are not caught in the open. Movement is LIFE, but only when not under suppressive fire.
Once the shooting starts back up, you hear the snap GET low and MOVE to the nearest covered position you identified in your run. You might of just past it. Keep in mind, you life, the life of your loved ones depends on your ability to protect yourself and them. Having a simple cover and move plan will save your life and theirs. Know when to move, know when to hunker down.
Based on this one video, and the above timelines this is the breakdown.
Again I am not judging anyone or actions taken. I feel horrible that my fellow Americans were placed in such a position by a mad man. I want to better educate you all on what incoming bullets sound like, and how you can be as safe as possible in a tragic event like this.
John Boyette"
text below is talking about this video.
"My point is this, in a group of people enjoying a concert, not enough people know what to do. Why would they? You are only taught cover and concealment from military, law enforcement or quality self-defense training companies. As time goes on the masses are less and less educated. I would like to help change this. This is not to point a finger at people’s reactions of this or other events. They simply do not know what the proper technique and course of action is. It’s my job to correct that.
Lets get started.
When you watch the attached Youtube video I want you to hear the shots being fired. Let the video play for 17 seconds and just hear the report of the shots and pause after 17 seconds
5 seconds till 12 seconds: That is the sound of near to full auto rifle fire that is not aimed at your location.
12 seconds till 48 seconds is a lull in the shooting. Time to move, take care of others, do as you can.
49 seconds till 1 minute is a DIRECT THREAT to the camera man!!!!
1min till 1:17: lull in the fire, time to move, take care of others, do as you can.
1:17 to 1:26: shooting starts back, BUT ITS NOT AIMED AT YOU, no SNAP of the bullet, you can still run, you can still take care of others.
1:26 till 2:02: Lull in firing help others, get out
2:02 till 2:14: DIRECT THREAT!!! Bullets flying all around you!!! find behind cover or concealment, find a solid object to get behind and try to help others!!!
2:15 till 2:30: Lull in the fire, you can MOVE!
2:30 till 2:41: DIRECT THREAT!!! First part of the video we hear ricochet off objects and the ground THIS IS VERY CLOSE DANGER
The question becomes what clues make me post what is a direct threat at the camera man, and what is shooting but not a threat?
Go back to the video and set it at 48 seconds and start it again.
49 seconds till 1 min: you can hear two sounds. The first is a snap, the second is the same sound from the 0-17 second mark.
The snapping sound is a bullet within 100 feet of your ears. It could be closer, it could be beside you, over you, under you, no way of telling the direction of flight path in relation to you hearing the snap.
The report of the shot is the gunpower going off at the firing location. This sound is unique to the situation and the location of the shooter. But you will always get both reports even if the shooter has a suppressor on the firearm.
Go ahead and restart the linked video and go from the start to the 1 min mark and listen so the shots being made, and the sounds of them.
start till 13 seconds firing starts, none directed at this cameraman’s location. a stop in fire from 13 seconds till 49 seconds.
That a window of 36 seconds to run like hell towards hard solid objects. Do not run without a plan. The plan is to move towards one hard object to the next hard object. If you have a break in the fire and can run non-stop it should be directed towards hard objects and then the next object. Why you ask? When the gunman start up again, you have some place to go or you just past the safe location. You are not caught in the open. Movement is LIFE, but only when not under suppressive fire.
Once the shooting starts back up, you hear the snap GET low and MOVE to the nearest covered position you identified in your run. You might of just past it. Keep in mind, you life, the life of your loved ones depends on your ability to protect yourself and them. Having a simple cover and move plan will save your life and theirs. Know when to move, know when to hunker down.
Based on this one video, and the above timelines this is the breakdown.
- Total review time: 2 minutes 41 seconds.
- Direct exposer to danger the camera man: 34 seconds.
- Total time under fire direct danger or not: 1 min 36 seconds.
- Total time to move away or help others in this video is 2 min’s 7 seconds.
Again I am not judging anyone or actions taken. I feel horrible that my fellow Americans were placed in such a position by a mad man. I want to better educate you all on what incoming bullets sound like, and how you can be as safe as possible in a tragic event like this.
John Boyette"
