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I'm really looking forward to this forum. Outstanding!
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BEING ? Gaaaa...I joined two days before ya and yer just learning that? I suggest more participation!
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An entertaining one though
I've reached out to people in other places/forums, and never got the feedback I have received from this one. I think I'll hang here for a bit.I'll say one thing ...This is one hum dinger of a thread...I love it ! MORE MORE MORE!
Here's the real dealio...Drink lots of water on the bus ride to DC. Stand anywhere near the capitol building and pee in a circle and for sure you'll wet the pant legs of much worse felons than you. We, for the sake of identification, will call them law makers. They commit atrocities daily, yet go unpunished. Who is worse? Who cares a rat's patoot about you having a weapon in your home? The truth is...unless you use it in a crime ( or go to some gun forum and let it out) who the heck is going to know you're a felon? BOOM < that was my mic drop.
Nope he's being honest. If you want to hear the truth this is the place. @MuzzerFuzzer is one of the best dudes on this board. I've been lucky enough to meet him even if briefly he's ok by me. Even if it comes off rough the truth is usually a jagged little pill.
You know there are millions of people in this country who have never owned a gun and they are doing fine. Why do you feel you can't live without one? Like was said you can live your life avoiding the things that would precipitate you needing one too.
I do have a question though. You alluded to all those people in prison for minor drug offenses, what charges do you consider minor? Maybe the pedophiles in there like to tell you they are there for drugs but it's rare for a user to go to prison.
I'd also like to know how many convictions you had before you had to do real time.
I do have a question though. You alluded to all those people in prison for minor drug offenses, what charges do you consider minor? Maybe the pedophiles in there like to tell you they are there for drugs but it's rare for a user to go to prison.
I'd also like to know how many convictions you had before you had to do real time.
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I had none. A clean record.
You're telling us that you went to prison for your first offense?
Think about your answer here, you won't win any sympathy points by lying to us.
My opinion is we have communists taking over the government and facilitating the invasion of our country by illegal immigrants and orchestrating a mass theft of US Citizen's savings/real estate/ retirement by exploding the debt and promising giveaways for anyone in the world that manages to drag their ass across the border. Let's not even mention the overt racism against white people, white males in particular.
The least of my worries is an ex felon with a gun...we might need him.
The least of my worries is an ex felon with a gun...we might need him.
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Bottom line u did the crime u did your time now live with the results of your actions. Are any of us perfect nope Me personally I am not hanging out with a felon especially a thief. If you want your 2nd amendment right go and get it back from the same court system that you gave them to when u decided to do drugs and steal. Best of luck and welcome to the forum.
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Stop mocking me! It's just a twitch I've developed.
We are all born with rights. Some of us give up some of those rights when we make bad decisions.
One of my closest friends got into trouble for theft right out of high school. He pulled 13 months in the penitentiary. He came out a changed person, a changed person with a felony conviction. This friend is a very talented mechanic, paint and body man, carpenter, machinist, welder, he can do it all. He was denied several good jobs because of his felony. He got a job as a mechanic with Roadway Freight in Kernersville. After he was there a month, they tried to get him bonded. Nope, he had the felony. They had to let him go. He always seemed to find another job, a good paying job.
He is in his 70's now and has led an honest life since pulling his time. His biggest regret of having the felony charge follow him around all his life? He couldn't vote.
Moral of the story is.
Whether by parenting or by osmosis or inner character depth. When you do something wrong? The definition resides within you. You are responsible for that YOU. The way a life is shaped is by taking a rough drafted image of ones self in the beginning, and by pain, or strife or ridicule. Have that image honed into a true man or woman. The identity of whom is sheltered within that which is YOU. You and God. You two are the only two that know your truth. You two are the ONLY two that it matters. Everyone else gets shared the portion that we choose to share. Honesty with one's self is most important. We have all heard "To thine own self be true." and "Honesty is the best policy."
I try to tell my grandkids all the time. (They worry so much about semantics) Be responsible. Honor up to wrong doings to yourself first before you lie to me about them. IT MATTERS ! Don't you dare believe a lie of you. Don't seek justifications by stretching the truth to suit a lie. You will be molded by "what" you are as you become "who" you are. So always be honest with yourself. If you become a lie, what will you bring to the table of love that can be shared with another? Get it?
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I can certainly understand his being galled by being told he is not allowed to own a particular tool by a bunch of dung eaters that should be on their knees before We The People, begging, and still given no quarter. Anyone with a modicum belief in liberty would be offended.
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I'll ask you this. Why do you lock your doors at night? I'll tell you why sir, there's evil people in this world. That's why I feel the way I do. As for the comment below, I believe I've exposed myself enough. Once I get to know who I can trust, I'll tell more. If you think no one can be sent to prison on a first offence, you're sadly mistaking. My truth, my testimony is all I have. I ask who's willing to stand up for the second addmendment, and get put on trial all over again. This is exactly what's happening to our president. When someone is willing to take a strong stand for America, American values, they find themselves hit with a barrage of negativity.
You opened yourself up for the hard questions and first time offenders that don't commit violent crimes rarely go to prison. Look up how structured sentencing works. From what your saying your crimes were either way more numerous in count or serious in nature. Otherwise with structured sentencing you would have been placed on probation first, then screwed that up multiple times and had to go to prison.
So while there are some you can fool I can give you a few examples of what you yourself said you did that as a first time offender would cause you to do time.
1. Drug trafficking mandatory active sentences with out relief from an Ada and judge for help with other cases. Like probation with help.
2. 1st degree Burglary which would be breaking into a house after dark with someone home at the time. Mandatory sentencing.
The fact is your record must have had either a lot of class H and I felonies to make you go to prison the when caught or something more serious because with all the new rules probation is mandatory, for low level offenders. So the whole I was a first time offender that got sent to prison just doesn't make much sense unless you went after a period on probation.
You have to understand - there are those among us that believe in the infallibility of the law and those who enforce it. Those who have bought in to the religion of the State. Those who, from the right sides of their mouths say Molon Aabe and from the left sides If You Don’t Want to Get Shot Don’t Break the Law.
Even though it’s estimated that the average American commits 3 felonies a day and never even knows they do it.......including those whose saddle sits high upon the back of their horse.
There’s a whole lot of “I support the Second Amendment, but...” going on in this thread, whether those particular words have been said or not, and truth be told, those saying it probably don’t even realize it.
For better or worse, I cannot find the “unless convicted of a felony” exception to the restrictions on government power imposed by the Bill of Rights.
One may argue what prudence dictates, or what they feel makes more sense, but the Constitution is a legal document that says what it says and more importantly, doesn’t say what it doesn’t say. It’s words were chosen with purpose, with specific, defined, legal meaning.
If you claim to be a Constitutionalist, there’s no constitutional mechanism by which a person is denied their Rights unless they pay a fee to have them restored.
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There's still time.Yet.
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@Cowboy ...on point. His story has just a few pretty glaring gaps and dam sure does not pass the smell test.
You either meet the legal criteria to have your gun rights reinstated by the court system or you don’t.
In my experience the truth usually prevails in the end.
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I would certainly love to hear that particular argument (I'm serious - I cannot find any such restriction in the Constitution, but it's possible I am reading it wrong.)
The 5th Amendment is a restriction on government power to railroad a Citizen by coercion, violence, or the threat thereof into a criminal conviction (or the taking of their property).
I can find where the Constitution allows for a felon to be denied the Right to vote - it's in Section 2 of the Fourteenth Amendment (which also speaks of due process in Section 1):
But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
I can find no such language in the Constitution that suggests similar restrictions upon any of the enumerated Rights protected by the first 10 Amendments to the Constitution.
We can have an argument about what is good or prudent or makes sense - but from the legal/constitutional standpoint, I cannot find anything granting the federal government the unlimited authority to deny Rights to those who have fulfilled their sentences for crimes previously adjudicated.
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My question is this, has anyone in the state legally challenged this, and where can I find someone( lawyer) who will not roll over easily and say, you're just S.O.L. My case, whether you believe it, or not, is a tough one( but the sentence imposed was justified)but I do not feel, living out the rest of my days as a second class citizen is just . I will admit that me being on this forum and able to speak with you all, is a blessing.
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I have no issues with Muzzer, but truth or not, his presentation is a holier than thou type "you need to keep in your place, boy" attitude. Leagle was asking for honest opinion, and the reaction from Mr Fuzzer was unwarranted... just my opinion.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
It does say that people can be deprived of life, liberty, or property if due process of law is followed. It does not say what the laws are or what the penalties will be.
In your quote above, the words you made bold are exceptions for reducing the basis for representation and not exceptions for denying the right to vote if I read it correctly.
I am in complete agreement that some if not many laws are unconstitutional and should be struck down. That is easier said than done but can certainly be worth doing.
It does say that people can be deprived of life, liberty, or property if due process of law is followed. It does not say what the laws are or what the penalties will be.
In your quote above, the words you made bold are exceptions for reducing the basis for representation and not exceptions for denying the right to vote if I read it correctly.
I am in complete agreement that some if not many laws are unconstitutional and should be struck down. That is easier said than done but can certainly be worth doing.
Was he not honest?
doose
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it is possible to be honest and present your honesty in a dickish manner.
Truth doesn't need to hide.
This. You don't get sent to the big house for a length of time unless you have priors or it's a serious crime.... welcome to the nuthouse btw @Is this leagal?
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This is super easy to implement and available to everyone, including any convicted felon...move to a better country.
There are a hell of a lot of benefits associated with living in the US beyond voting and owning firearms, if you don’t think so I suspect that you haven’t spent much time out in the rest of the world.
Disagree. Your RIGHTS can be forfeited by ones actions . Like Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
That said, I for one believe once someone has paid their debt to society, their rights should be restored - so long as their payment matches their offense.
The question I ask is when is the payment complete? Is a prison term the only form of payment? Is probation part of the punishment? Is forfeiture of certain rights part of the punishment? Is the debt paid only if restitution made to the victims? I suppose a court must decide when the debt has been repaid enough so that rights can be restored. Once the debt, whatever it actually is, has been repaid, I am all for the person enjoying all the rights of citizenship.