Here it comes: Democrats (& backstabbing repubs) & Gun Control
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Ikarus1
Avtomat Krishna-kov
They can pass what they want. Free men will do free men things. It will just make 'criminals' out of the otherwise law abiding, and really piss off a heavily armed seqment already fed up with Federal BS.
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OP
Contemplating:
Mr. President ,
I can only assume you are a very busy man, but the need to write you on this matter is too compelling. I have actively been involved in the shooting sports since 1977. My father taught me, not only how to shoot, but to shoot safely and respect the responsibility of firearm usage. I instill those same values in my 4 children. This exact same story could and does apply to millions of Americans. This being said, there has been a pattern over the past few decades to further restrict free, lawful citizens of this country the exercise of their God given right of the 2nd Amendment. As I view it, your recent decision to ban so called "bump stock" or "slide fire" stocks is an assault on my rights and the rights of other owners.
Mr. President, banning these items will do nothing to curb, stem or otherwise prevent any crime of noticeable significance. These add on items are very rarely used in any kind of crimes. They are merely toys. Gimmicks if you will, that some firearms owners like to use. The ironic thing is, it will create felons from law abiding citizens. All this will do is embolden opponents of the 2nd Amendment and alienate your supporters. These types of bans are another tilt of the slippery slope of a full ban of firearms. This is the ultimate goal of the enemies of the American way of life as it is now. There are forces at work both within and outside the government that are trying to steer the country to remove firearms from the citizenry.
As I write this now, I am a free, productive law abiding citizen of these united states. But the moment you sign any law pertaining to the banning of these items, I then become a felon. For I will not, nor cannot surrender these items. Please understand my stand on this issue and what I am risking. I stand to loose my job, house, my wife and my 4 children will loose their father when you enact this EO. I love this country. I will die for this country if so asked. But I can not take one more step back on the assault on these rights. Far too much has been regulated and lost as it is.
In closing, I again implore you to rethink the position on this issue.
Your fellow free citizen,
John Hancock
Mr. President ,
I can only assume you are a very busy man, but the need to write you on this matter is too compelling. I have actively been involved in the shooting sports since 1977. My father taught me, not only how to shoot, but to shoot safely and respect the responsibility of firearm usage. I instill those same values in my 4 children. This exact same story could and does apply to millions of Americans. This being said, there has been a pattern over the past few decades to further restrict free, lawful citizens of this country the exercise of their God given right of the 2nd Amendment. As I view it, your recent decision to ban so called "bump stock" or "slide fire" stocks is an assault on my rights and the rights of other owners.
Mr. President, banning these items will do nothing to curb, stem or otherwise prevent any crime of noticeable significance. These add on items are very rarely used in any kind of crimes. They are merely toys. Gimmicks if you will, that some firearms owners like to use. The ironic thing is, it will create felons from law abiding citizens. All this will do is embolden opponents of the 2nd Amendment and alienate your supporters. These types of bans are another tilt of the slippery slope of a full ban of firearms. This is the ultimate goal of the enemies of the American way of life as it is now. There are forces at work both within and outside the government that are trying to steer the country to remove firearms from the citizenry.
As I write this now, I am a free, productive law abiding citizen of these united states. But the moment you sign any law pertaining to the banning of these items, I then become a felon. For I will not, nor cannot surrender these items. Please understand my stand on this issue and what I am risking. I stand to loose my job, house, my wife and my 4 children will loose their father when you enact this EO. I love this country. I will die for this country if so asked. But I can not take one more step back on the assault on these rights. Far too much has been regulated and lost as it is.
In closing, I again implore you to rethink the position on this issue.
Your fellow free citizen,
John Hancock
OP
https://www.gunowners.org/gun-owners-of-america-to-file-suit-against-atf-bump-stock-ban.htm
Might need to kick some funds their way.
Might need to kick some funds their way.
I plan to send them $100 when I get home.
Pelosi will have the House but hopefully there will be enough smart Senators who won’t sell out to not let it get out of Congress ... but I wouldn’t bet the farm on some when looking back at other issues like the Kavanaugh fiasco.
OP
Oh, I'm sure we have nothing to worry about when it comes to the repubs:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ty-report-recommends-gun-confiscation-orders/
And that was sarcasm. Can't find the damn emojis.
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OP
Same here. Actually joined for the year and an additional $30 as a gift. I'll try them on for size and see what they can do. The concern on the wife's face has grown. I think she now get's it, this ain't my usual gun rant this time.
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Jordan Stein
4:26 PM (2 minutes ago)
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Thank you!
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BIg thumbs up to all of you!
4:26 PM (2 minutes ago)
to me
Thank you!
From: goofy
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 4:21 PM
To: Jordan Stein <[email protected]>
Subject: Thank you for your hard work
BIg thumbs up to all of you!
MadMan4Ever
Sig-Sauer devotee
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives (ATF) today announced its long-expected regulations banning bump stocks.
I want to assure you that Gun Owners of America is now in the final stages of preparing a lawsuit against the ATF and the Department of Justice to seek an injunction protecting gun owners from these unconstitutional regulations.
We will be filing our lawsuit very, very soon.
As written, this case has important Second Amendment implications for gun owners.
After all, in the coming days, an estimated half a million bump stock owners will have the difficult decision of either destroying or surrendering their valuable property -- or else risk felony prosecution.
GOA will argue that courts should be highly suspect when an agency changes its "interpretation" of a statute in order to impair the exercise of an enumerated constitutional right.
Help support GOF's lawsuit against ATF. Every tax-deductible dollar you contribute to GOF right now will be automatically doubled, thanks to a very generous GOA Life Member!
ATF Regulation threatens AR-15s and other semi-autos
The new ATF regulations would define bump stocks as "machineguns" -- and, down the road, that new definition could implicate the right to own AR-15's and many other semi-automatic firearms.
ATF's new bump stock regulation clearly violates federal law, as bump stocks do not qualify as machineguns under the federal statute.
Moreover, bump stocks, which have been in circulation for many years, have repeatedly been ruled by ATF as lawful to own.
This ban was imposed through regulations because Congress has repeatedly refused to amend the law to ban them.
But the ATF has no authority to radically "re-interpret" a statute that is clear and unambiguous. To do so would allow agency regulations to overturn the clear provisions of statutory law.
Will AR-15s soon be deemed "machine guns"?
Statutory law is clear: Under 26 U.S.C. 5845(b), a "machinegun" is a weapon which shoots "automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single FUNCTION of a trigger." (Emphasis added.)
A firearm equipped with a "bump stock" uses the recoil of the firearm, coupled with forward pressure exerted by the shooter, to force the trigger to function more quickly than it would normally. But the trigger is still required to function each time a round is discharged. Therefore, the gun cannot be said to function as a "machinegun."
Another problem with the regulation is that it is overly broad and could later be relied on to ban semi-automatic firearms in the process of trying to ban "bump stocks."
The ATF has previously said that "[Bump stocks] convert an otherwise semiautomatic firearm into a machinegun..."
But hold on a minute. If the AR-15 becomes a "machinegun" -- or even if it is readily convertible into a "machinegun" -- then AR-15's could eventually become illegal as well.
Think the ATF wouldn't use this regulation to summarily outlaw semi-automatics? Maybe not right now. But you can bet that the first anti-gun Democratic president to win the White House will order the ATF to do so.
These regulations would deny honest Americans the enjoyment of their Second Amendment-protected rights.
And so based on these objections, Gun Owners of America will shortly file suit to overturn the illegal, unconstitutional, politically motivated action by ATF in outlawing "bump stocks."
In closing, I would ask two things:
I want to assure you that Gun Owners of America is now in the final stages of preparing a lawsuit against the ATF and the Department of Justice to seek an injunction protecting gun owners from these unconstitutional regulations.
We will be filing our lawsuit very, very soon.
As written, this case has important Second Amendment implications for gun owners.
After all, in the coming days, an estimated half a million bump stock owners will have the difficult decision of either destroying or surrendering their valuable property -- or else risk felony prosecution.
GOA will argue that courts should be highly suspect when an agency changes its "interpretation" of a statute in order to impair the exercise of an enumerated constitutional right.
Help support GOF's lawsuit against ATF. Every tax-deductible dollar you contribute to GOF right now will be automatically doubled, thanks to a very generous GOA Life Member!ATF Regulation threatens AR-15s and other semi-autos
The new ATF regulations would define bump stocks as "machineguns" -- and, down the road, that new definition could implicate the right to own AR-15's and many other semi-automatic firearms.
ATF's new bump stock regulation clearly violates federal law, as bump stocks do not qualify as machineguns under the federal statute.
Moreover, bump stocks, which have been in circulation for many years, have repeatedly been ruled by ATF as lawful to own.
This ban was imposed through regulations because Congress has repeatedly refused to amend the law to ban them.
But the ATF has no authority to radically "re-interpret" a statute that is clear and unambiguous. To do so would allow agency regulations to overturn the clear provisions of statutory law.
Will AR-15s soon be deemed "machine guns"?
Statutory law is clear: Under 26 U.S.C. 5845(b), a "machinegun" is a weapon which shoots "automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single FUNCTION of a trigger." (Emphasis added.)
A firearm equipped with a "bump stock" uses the recoil of the firearm, coupled with forward pressure exerted by the shooter, to force the trigger to function more quickly than it would normally. But the trigger is still required to function each time a round is discharged. Therefore, the gun cannot be said to function as a "machinegun."
Another problem with the regulation is that it is overly broad and could later be relied on to ban semi-automatic firearms in the process of trying to ban "bump stocks."
The ATF has previously said that "[Bump stocks] convert an otherwise semiautomatic firearm into a machinegun..."
But hold on a minute. If the AR-15 becomes a "machinegun" -- or even if it is readily convertible into a "machinegun" -- then AR-15's could eventually become illegal as well.
Think the ATF wouldn't use this regulation to summarily outlaw semi-automatics? Maybe not right now. But you can bet that the first anti-gun Democratic president to win the White House will order the ATF to do so.
These regulations would deny honest Americans the enjoyment of their Second Amendment-protected rights.
And so based on these objections, Gun Owners of America will shortly file suit to overturn the illegal, unconstitutional, politically motivated action by ATF in outlawing "bump stocks."
In closing, I would ask two things:
MadMan4Ever
Sig-Sauer devotee
2. For everyone who realizes the freedom implications of GOA's case, please help support this case financially.
By going to his link here, your gift will be tax-deductible and will go directly to helping pay for this case.
The costs are staggering, as our attorneys have already put in a lot of time and effort -- finding the best district to bring a case and getting the most authoritative witnesses.
Not to mention, they've already started coordinating with the plaintiffs and researching the most effective arguments to use.
So I want to thank you, in advance, for your help in this very important endeavor.
In Liberty,
Erich Pratt
Executive Director
Follow me on Twitter: @erichmpratt
P.S. Please help support this bump stock case by giving a gift to Gun Owners Foundation. And did you know that every dollar that you contribute to GOF is tax-deductible and will be automatically doubled for the rest of this month, thanks to a very generous GOA Life Member! So thank you for giving during this Matching Fund drive.
By going to his link here, your gift will be tax-deductible and will go directly to helping pay for this case.
The costs are staggering, as our attorneys have already put in a lot of time and effort -- finding the best district to bring a case and getting the most authoritative witnesses.
Not to mention, they've already started coordinating with the plaintiffs and researching the most effective arguments to use.
So I want to thank you, in advance, for your help in this very important endeavor.
In Liberty,
Erich Pratt
Executive Director
Follow me on Twitter: @erichmpratt
P.S. Please help support this bump stock case by giving a gift to Gun Owners Foundation. And did you know that every dollar that you contribute to GOF is tax-deductible and will be automatically doubled for the rest of this month, thanks to a very generous GOA Life Member! So thank you for giving during this Matching Fund drive.
Dale Gribble
Can't starve us out; Can't make us run
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“The new Democratic majority will act boldly and decisively to pass commonsense, life-saving background checks that are overwhelmingly supported by the American people,” Pelosi said, Politico reported Monday.
With Pelosi’s support, Democrats coalesced to create a gun reform proposal that would require federal background checks on all gun sales, including private sales, Politico reported. Democratic California Rep. Mike Thompson, a Pelosi ally who says a bill for universal background checks will be introduced to Congress in early 2019, is spearheading the measure, according to Politico.
Yall can go straight to hell. "Private" commerce between free citizens is none of yall's f*ing business.
So knock yourselves out...pass it and get it signed...I'm all outta sh*ts to give and have absolutely no intention of conforming or complying.
Suck it.
With Pelosi’s support, Democrats coalesced to create a gun reform proposal that would require federal background checks on all gun sales, including private sales, Politico reported. Democratic California Rep. Mike Thompson, a Pelosi ally who says a bill for universal background checks will be introduced to Congress in early 2019, is spearheading the measure, according to Politico.
Yall can go straight to hell. "Private" commerce between free citizens is none of yall's f*ing business.
So knock yourselves out...pass it and get it signed...I'm all outta sh*ts to give and have absolutely no intention of conforming or complying.
Suck it.
front page say 2843
Dale Gribble
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OP
Not yet, give them time.
Have no fear! The courts have decided that these…….
…………. are protected by the 2nd Amendment!
New York Nunchucks Ban Unconstitutional: Fed Court
AMERICAN CITIZENS HAVE the right to bear arms and – now, according to a new U.S. federal court ruling — the right to bear nunchucks.
U.S. District Judge Pamela K. Chen issued a 32-page ruling Friday striking down New York's decades-old nunchuck ban as unconstitutional. Possession of the martial arts weapon, she ruled, is protected under the Second Amendment. The same goes for manufacturing, transporting or disposing of them.
https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...es-new-york-ban-on-nunchucks-unconstitutional
Terry
…………. are protected by the 2nd Amendment!
New York Nunchucks Ban Unconstitutional: Fed Court
AMERICAN CITIZENS HAVE the right to bear arms and – now, according to a new U.S. federal court ruling — the right to bear nunchucks.
U.S. District Judge Pamela K. Chen issued a 32-page ruling Friday striking down New York's decades-old nunchuck ban as unconstitutional. Possession of the martial arts weapon, she ruled, is protected under the Second Amendment. The same goes for manufacturing, transporting or disposing of them.
https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...es-new-york-ban-on-nunchucks-unconstitutional
Terry
Have no fear! The courts have decided that these…….
…………. are protected by the 2nd Amendment!
New York Nunchucks Ban Unconstitutional: Fed Court
AMERICAN CITIZENS HAVE the right to bear arms and – now, according to a new U.S. federal court ruling — the right to bear nunchucks.
U.S. District Judge Pamela K. Chen issued a 32-page ruling Friday striking down New York's decades-old nunchuck ban as unconstitutional. Possession of the martial arts weapon, she ruled, is protected under the Second Amendment. The same goes for manufacturing, transporting or disposing of them.
https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...es-new-york-ban-on-nunchucks-unconstitutional
Terry
Actually that is a perfectly good bump stock.
Ikarus1
Avtomat Krishna-kov
probably about as well as they can enforce private sales of pot, pills, and ass. In other words, slim to nil.
MadMan4Ever
Sig-Sauer devotee
I feel so betrayed right now... I want to believe this is some kind of trick, some con Trump has made to repeal NFA or something... but I can’t bring myself to actually believe that.
I suppose it’s good I won’t be dying in a North Korean field, but an American gulag isn’t what I wanted either...
I worked for you Mr. president & you betrayed me.
I don’t own a bumpstock, can’t afford to go cyclic or close to it, but this was about more than that. Red flag laws are abhorrent, they go against the very notion of innocent until proven guilty.
Even if they were only ever used as they sound, which is a pipe dream, they merely take firearms away & leave the person out there free to do carnage with other tools.
I was so far in your corner Donald that when I read initially no Secret Service wanted to protect you, I’d have done it free. To be so loyal only to be gutted like this is sickening beyond words.
This will be a modern day Salem witch hunt, with what was your most loyal base as the targets.
And what did you gain from it? You didn’t make America safer, you didn’t help your base, you didn’t win over any leftists, you didn’t stop any spree killings....
All you did was trade your most loyal base for NOTHING...
I guess that J in DJT stands for Judas....
I suppose it’s good I won’t be dying in a North Korean field, but an American gulag isn’t what I wanted either...
I worked for you Mr. president & you betrayed me.
I don’t own a bumpstock, can’t afford to go cyclic or close to it, but this was about more than that. Red flag laws are abhorrent, they go against the very notion of innocent until proven guilty.
Even if they were only ever used as they sound, which is a pipe dream, they merely take firearms away & leave the person out there free to do carnage with other tools.
I was so far in your corner Donald that when I read initially no Secret Service wanted to protect you, I’d have done it free. To be so loyal only to be gutted like this is sickening beyond words.
This will be a modern day Salem witch hunt, with what was your most loyal base as the targets.
And what did you gain from it? You didn’t make America safer, you didn’t help your base, you didn’t win over any leftists, you didn’t stop any spree killings....
All you did was trade your most loyal base for NOTHING...
I guess that J in DJT stands for Judas....
Dale Gribble
Can't starve us out; Can't make us run
Charter Member
Supporting Member
Multi-Factor Enabled
I feel so betrayed right now... I want to believe this is some kind of trick, some con Trump has made to repeal NFA or something... but I can’t bring myself to actually believe that.
I suppose it’s good I won’t be dying in a North Korean field, but an American gulag isn’t what I wanted either...
I worked for you Mr. president & you betrayed me.
I don’t own a bumpstock, can’t afford to go cyclic or close to it, but this was about more than that. Red flag laws are abhorrent, they go against the very notion of innocent until proven guilty.
Even if they were only ever used as they sound, which is a pipe dream, they merely take firearms away & leave the person out there free to do carnage with other tools.
I was so far in your corner Donald that when I read initially no Secret Service wanted to protect you, I’d have done it free. To be so loyal only to be gutted like this is sickening beyond words.
This will be a modern day Salem witch hunt, with what was your most loyal base as the targets.
And what did you gain from it? You didn’t make America safer, you didn’t help your base, you didn’t win over any leftists, you didn’t stop any spree killings....
All you did was trade your most loyal base for NOTHING...
I guess that J in DJT stands for Judas....
He had you snowed, didn't he?
Undercover state agents entrapping, arresting and comvicting people on every internet gun sale site.
9outof10mms
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In all seriousness...no snark here...
The only two options on the table are:
1. Do the the homework for "them" and find some way to safe up those institutions deemed high value (i.e. schools) that is appealing to everyone. I'm talking a practical, tangible, well thought out method to do "something" OTHER than limit or restrict gun ownership any further. It also can't enrage those who aim to place said restrictions because it'll just piss them off and motivate them more.
2. Shoot them.
I don't see any other method. Discussions, negotiations, and laws only erode one side's beliefs. There is no middle of the road. Time for talking civilly and handling this by the textbook is over. The merry-go-round is getting old.
The only two options on the table are:
1. Do the the homework for "them" and find some way to safe up those institutions deemed high value (i.e. schools) that is appealing to everyone. I'm talking a practical, tangible, well thought out method to do "something" OTHER than limit or restrict gun ownership any further. It also can't enrage those who aim to place said restrictions because it'll just piss them off and motivate them more.
2. Shoot them.
I don't see any other method. Discussions, negotiations, and laws only erode one side's beliefs. There is no middle of the road. Time for talking civilly and handling this by the textbook is over. The merry-go-round is getting old.
OP
"They" don't want a solution. The end goal is firearms ban or a restriction to single shot shotguns. Hunting rifles can be next. Those, in theory, could be used for sniping, so you don't need them. Pistols? Oh no, to concealable (notice the CC reciprocity never passed). Light trigger pulls, suppressors (remember, they tried that push after Vegas) and a national ban on hi-cap could be next. In the end, the upper crust (not so much on the financial side, but the power hungry, narcissistic egomaniac ) want a serfdom. It's a power thing. They know the 2ND is in their way. They know that eventually, some will have enough of this and fight back. So they are trying to deplete the oppositions weaponry as much as possible. They don't give a damn about anybody's safety, it about power over others. And the importation of turd world "migrants" to water us down to make it easier. So, I'll take option 2 for $500 Alex.
9outof10mms
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That's why I gave option #2.
MadMan4Ever
Sig-Sauer devotee
All we will here from the House and it’s Crypt Keeper is “gun control” and a myriad of investigations along with a few idiots screaming impeachment. The next 2 years are going to really mean Congress is bordering on becoming an insane asylum and not even close to a governing body.
So much chess going on right now.