House Votes YES On Red Flag Gun Confiscation … with the help of 135 Republicans

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House Votes YES On Red Flag Gun Confiscation … with the help of 135 Republicans

Sonsabitches … Red Flag Gun Confiscation passes the House 316-113 with support of 135 Republicans. A provision in the 2022 National Defense Authorization Act would allow military courts to is…
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Sonsabitches …
Red Flag Gun Confiscation passes the House 316-113 with support of 135 Republicans.
A provision in the 2022 National Defense Authorization Act would allow military courts to issue protective orders that include Red Flag gun confiscation, according to the more than 1,300-page bill.
In the legislation, those beholden to the United States Code of Military Justice could be issued a military court protective order, which would make possessing, receiving, or otherwise accessing a firearm illegal.

“A military court protective order issued on an ex parte basis shall restrain a person from possessing, receiving, or otherwise accessing a firearm; and a military court protective order issued after the person to be subject to the order has received notice and opportunity to be heard on the order, shall restrain such person from possessing, receiving, or otherwise accessing a firearm in accordance with section 922 of title 18,” SEC. 529 of H.R. 4350 states.
Protective orders issued on an emergency basis are exempted from providing the recipient with the standard “right to due process.” Instead, “notice and opportunity to be heard” must only be provided after an order was already issued.
Link to House Vote Roll Call …
 
VA_GENTLEMAN said:
Hmmmm... All NC (R)'s said YEA
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Ted Budd, my Congressman, voted NAY. Vote for him when he’s on the next ballot for US Senator. Not sure how many others in the House own gun stores.
 
Ok. So, in a 1300 page bill, this was in there.
What are the chances the congressmen didn't know it was in there(best case)?
Or passed it, hoping it would get removed on the senate side?

I hate it, too, but I'm not gonna rush to crucify before I know why they voted that way. Politics is dirty, and it's unclear yet which group was the dirty(er) one here.
 
pinkbunny said:
Ok. So, in a 1300 page bill, this was in there.
What are the chances the congressmen didn't know it was in there(best case)?
Or passed it, hoping it would get removed on the senate side?

I hate it, too, but I'm not gonna rush to crucify before I know why they voted that way. Politics is dirty, and it's unclear yet which group was the dirty(er) one here.
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We elect representatives to represent us. We assume they will do their due diligence, their job if you will, and understand the ramifications of their vote.
 
pinkbunny said:
Ok. So, in a 1300 page bill, this was in there.
What are the chances the congressmen didn't know it was in there(best case)?
Or passed it, hoping it would get removed on the senate side?

I hate it, too, but I'm not gonna rush to crucify before I know why they voted that way. Politics is dirty, and it's unclear yet which group was the dirty(er) one here.
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When all the pigs are wallering in the same mud hole they are all dirty at the same level.
 
I posted this in my NDAA post below, but I’ll put it here too since this thread is just about the vote…the excuses are, well…just listen. “We had to vote yes to stop Joe Biden”??? If that’s truly the case, why did so many R’s vote no???

6 NC and 2 SC voted yes

 
MacEntyre said:
Cawthorn voted Yes?

What a piece of work he has turned out to be...
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He explained why. Watch the video.

Not saying there ain’t some nefarious shenanigans afoot…..
Cawthorn is pretty sharp. Listen to his video on this vote


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I've banged the Ted Budd drum a few times, and even though I just moved out of his district, I'll be thanking him for his nay vote on this one. Don't pass the buck, get out and contact your reps, make them painfully aware that they are not voting as the electing body would want them to vote.
 
Taxation without representation is tyranny!!!
Plain and simple.

When the government begins to rule its time to replace the government.

It has been way past time to replace the government.

Our forefathers slit throats for way less then this.

It’s time to spit in your hands raise the black flag and slit throats.
 
Having been in the military, it is known that the constitution doesn't apply. There are civilians and the military. We have the constitution, they have the UCMJ. In case anyone is wondering, civilians include police, FBI, etc. anything other than the military.

For the military, their rights are severely constrained- there's no free speech in the military.

From the description above, and knowing that there's a separate legal system for the military, I don't have a problem with the military wanting to take weapons from dangerous individuals. The UCMJ is not a bunch of political appointees- they are a serious bunch and very conservative. I trust in them not to make trivial red flag calls.

The only concern is that people who don't know the above, think that since the military can deny 2nd amendment rights (and again, they don't apply), that red flag laws can be justified for the citizens is the slippery slope I would rather avoid.

Honestly, since it is UCMJ and part of the defense bill, I'm surprised it was even voted on at all. the military has their rules, and hell, I wasn't allowed a motorcycle when I was in, so if they want to take guns away, you can always resign your commission (or wait for enlistment to end).
 
Sasquatch said:
Having been in the military, it is known that the constitution doesn't apply. There are civilians and the military. We have the constitution, they have the UCMJ. In case anyone is wondering, civilians include police, FBI, etc. anything other than the military.

For the military, their rights are severely constrained- there's no free speech in the military.

From the description above, and knowing that there's a separate legal system for the military, I don't have a problem with the military wanting to take weapons from dangerous individuals. The UCMJ is not a bunch of political appointees- they are a serious bunch and very conservative. I trust in them not to make trivial red flag calls.

The only concern is that people who don't know the above, think that since the military can deny 2nd amendment rights (and again, they don't apply), that red flag laws can be justified for the citizens is the slippery slope I would rather avoid.

Honestly, since it is UCMJ and part of the defense bill, I'm surprised it was even voted on at all. the military has their rules, and hell, I wasn't allowed a motorcycle when I was in, so if they want to take guns away, you can always resign your commission (or wait for enlistment to end).
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Here I was thinking the military was part of the government, to which the constitution limits power. We're not talking about a private business here. You can still be drafted against your will, by the government to be in said military. Constitutional rights are given by birth, and the army etc is every bit as covered by the limitations placed upon congress by the bill of rights. Any encroachment on God given rights is tyranny I'm not willing to accept.
 
Sasquatch said:
Having been in the military, it is known that the constitution doesn't apply. There are civilians and the military.
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slow is slow said:
Here I was thinking the military was part of the government, to which the constitution limits power.
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JT said:
The legislation is prima facie unconstitutional; therefore any legislator who votes for it is in violation of his oath, and must be recalled by the people of his district.
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slow is slow said:
get out and contact your reps, make them painfully aware that they are not voting as the electing body would want them to vote.
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pinkbunny said:
. Politics is dirty, and it's unclear yet which group was the dirty(er) one here.
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Goofyfoot2001 said:
We assume they will do their due diligence, their job if you will, and understand the ramifications of their vote.
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charliedeltajuliet said:
Just goes to show neither side will protect your rights.
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Whistling past the graveyard.....................................................
NC Rob said:
Protective orders issued on an emergency basis are exempted from providing the recipient with the standard “right to due process.” Instead, “notice and opportunity to be heard” must only be provided after an order was already issued.
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The Senate will finish this matter quickly....Remember what Lindsey said.....We can't do away with the second ammendment, but we can incentivize the States to.....

Colonel to Rambo........It's over Johnny...it's over:(😌😢
 
Darkhorse said:
Taxation without representation is tyranny!!!
Plain and simple.

When the government begins to rule its time to replace the government.

It has been way past time to replace the government.

Our forefathers slit throats for way less then this.

It’s time to spit in your hands raise the black flag and slit throats.
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The declaration says it’s the patriots duty.
 
They're all bought and paid for by the MIC. They might talk a big game about being pro gun rights, but they don't have the balls or the teeth to bite the hand that feeds. When the government demands its money, they cough it up, no matter what values and promises they have to disregard in the process.
 
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pinkbunny said:
Ok. So, in a 1300 page bill, this was in there.
What are the chances the congressmen didn't know it was in there(best case)?
Or passed it, hoping it would get removed on the senate side?

I hate it, too, but I'm not gonna rush to crucify before I know why they voted that way. Politics is dirty, and it's unclear yet which group was the dirty(er) one here.
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i hate every one of these dang omnibus type bills because every last one of them screws us in some way. NOBODY should be voting in favor of something unless they have read and understand it.
How does the old phrase go? better to keep your mouth shut and look like a fool than to open it and prove you are one...
that's how i feel about people who vote yes on these things.
 
Tailhunter said:
Just sent our representative (that label is a joke) a note asking him to explain his vote.
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They don't work for you. They do not have to answer to you. Stop acting like your opinion matters.
 
Goofyfoot2001 said:
We elect representatives to represent us. We assume they will do their due diligence, their job if you will, and understand the ramifications of their vote.
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We don't pay them enough. Seriously, hear me out. Our legislature is not paid a living wage (~ 13k per year), therefore participation is only accessible to the wealthy. Those wealthy people are both distracted by their full time jobs, and dragging a whole host of potential conflicts of interest. How is representative who owns a car dealership going to vote on emissions restrictions or lemon laws? How is a representative who is a bondsman going to vote on criminal justice reform? Our legislature is mainly just rich people using their wealth to protect their own self interest. This is true of most politics, but is unavoidable when our Reps work part time.

Edit: I didn't read this well. The article refers to the US House of Representatives, not the NC House. Point stands for NC House.
 
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