I am back..... Hi

Man i remember the issue. You were turned down for your sex change operation. I think the words of the doc was your "girl parts" would be too "shallow" do to inverting current material.

It was something like that...
Retract everything I wrote above! lol
 
Man i remember the issue. You were turned down for your sex change operation. I think the words of the doc was your "girl parts" would be too "shallow" do to inverting current material.

It was something like that...
That's some funny sh!t right there.

John, I'd love to see one of those one-off single day rifle and pistol basics classes you did a while back. Something that doesn't break the bank in tuition nor round counts, but enough to glean some pointers to make sure we're on a good trajectory with our skills. You know, for those of us who have a rifle sitting in the closet and get ot the range a few times per year, but don't have the time/money to get deep into it. It would give some peace of mind to know that we're zeroing correctly, using solid foundations for basic movements, etc.

I know...I know...flame on about not being a war fighter and training 11 months out of the year. But this is where I am along with several others I know on this forum and off.
 
That's some funny sh!t right there.

John, I'd love to see one of those one-off single day rifle and pistol basics classes you did a while back. Something that doesn't break the bank in tuition nor round counts, but enough to glean some pointers to make sure we're on a good trajectory with our skills. You know, for those of us who have a rifle sitting in the closet and get ot the range a few times per year, but don't have the time/money to get deep into it. It would give some peace of mind to know that we're zeroing correctly, using solid foundations for basic movements, etc.

I know...I know...flame on about not being a war fighter and training 11 months out of the year. But this is where I am along with several others I know on this forum and off.

I agree.

The issue is market saturation. (I think)

I could be wrong. What do you think is the best situation with the following scope.

Time
Cost
Class size

I get it. I am willing, but not like last time, from my point of view.
 
I agree.

The issue is market saturation. (I think)

I could be wrong. What do you think is the best situation with the following scope.

Time
Cost
Class size

I get it. I am willing, but not like last time, from my point of view.


In my opinion, one of my favorite shooting days was when you and the McClures did the Rifle/Shotgun/Pistol day. It was long, stupid hot, but I got more out of that day than I ever expected. I still remember the "draw and shoot while someone else runs the opposite way" to learn how slow you really are in presenting a pistol. And then it being stupid hot and us just spending the afternoon zeroing rifles and shooting at 400 yards.

But, I totally get it that from >your< perspective they can be tough to pull. Its 12 hours of work for you, plus ammo/wear costs.

If it were me, (and I fully know it isn't), I would think doing a day like that and charging $25 per session would be good.
Pistol morning $25
Shotgun Lunch $25
Rifle Dinner $25

If you get 10 people signed up, its a $750 payday, less expenses. And if you do, Ill bring you a ham sandwich to save you the lunch cost...and maybe a pickled egg for dinner.
 
Welcome back John. Glad to have you with us again.

I still EDC a Hissatsu Folder because of you!
 
I'd definitely be interested in another refresher of the precision rifle course to ensure I'm doing the right thing. I've also updated some optics on the rifle I used in your class (Sig SSG3000), but would like to get more into developing my theoretical holds for further distances, to save myself on some ammo in dialing in at those distances in the future.
 
In my opinion, one of my favorite shooting days was when you and the McClures did the Rifle/Shotgun/Pistol day. It was long, stupid hot, but I got more out of that day than I ever expected. I still remember the "draw and shoot while someone else runs the opposite way" to learn how slow you really are in presenting a pistol. And then it being stupid hot and us just spending the afternoon zeroing rifles and shooting at 400 yards.

But, I totally get it that from >your< perspective they can be tough to pull. Its 12 hours of work for you, plus ammo/wear costs.

If it were me, (and I fully know it isn't), I would think doing a day like that and charging $25 per session would be good.
Pistol morning $25
Shotgun Lunch $25
Rifle Dinner $25

If you get 10 people signed up, its a $750 payday, less expenses. And if you do, Ill bring you a ham sandwich to save you the lunch cost...and maybe a pickled egg for dinner.

I get your scope and idea.

I am sticking to a max 6 hour day training moving forward. I plan on some 3 hour classes.

No more then 10 students a class "some only 4 people max"

When i look at money coming, this is how i do it. No BS ...

1. I am full timed employed, if i am working on my day off (OT or teaching a class) I use my job overtime rate of X for X output from me during overtime work.

If I am going to teach, that day is XXX output from me, so it will pay XXX rate. If not, I will go pull OT and earn X for X output. Or not do any of it and enjoy my family time with my wife and child.

A student is paying for my expertise, experience and separation from my family. If a student is not willing, i am also not willing.

Bottom line
 
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What do you think is the best situation with the following scope.

Time
Cost
Class size
Good question--happy to give an honest data point for you. And I totally get the part about making it worth your time. I can be guilty of doing things in my off time that are far below a fair rate for my time!

The easy answer for me is class size. I'm not picky--as long as I don't feel like a number, and as long as I have some level of access directly to you when/if I need help. That is, afterall, the reason I'm there. Otherwise, YouTube videos would be the way to go! To put a number on it...if I were forced to do so...maybe 15-ish of non-beginner level shooters. At least some sort of familiarity with their platforms and a little self-reliance. Not the guy straight out of Academy Sports with a new rifle having never shot it/one!

Time: 6 hours would be great. If you sent out a pre-syllabus of things to be familiar with and maybe some basic drills to work on prior so as to remove that time from the "teaching" part of the day, that could help make the 6 hours even more rich.

Cost: From my perspective (the guy whom I described above), a basic skills course should be priced accordingly. If I were taking the "how to defend a nuclear reactor" class form you, I'd expect to pay accordingly for that! Again, if forced to spit out a number...somewhere sub-$200 seems fair. The hidden catch always seems to be ammo cost and sometimes required gear. I'm going to trust a guy of your pedigree when you say "you really need to put this much lead down range" and "don't bring this type of gear because it wastes everyone's time when it breaks--and it will break." The flip side to that is that fact that I'm asking you about a trimmed down "give me some basics to work on" course...which means money and high-dollar gear is a factor for me.

Not at all offended if you or someone doesn't agree with my sentiments here. Just figured I'd bring a data point for a market that does exist. Like I said--I'm sure there are dozens of guys on this forums, and I personally know several guys in my small circle of friends in a similar boat.

Oh yeah...welcome back!
 
Good question--happy to give an honest data point for you. And I totally get the part about making it worth your time. I can be guilty of doing things in my off time that are far below a fair rate for my time!

The easy answer for me is class size. I'm not picky--as long as I don't feel like a number, and as long as I have some level of access directly to you when/if I need help. That is, afterall, the reason I'm there. Otherwise, YouTube videos would be the way to go! To put a number on it...if I were forced to do so...maybe 15-ish of non-beginner level shooters. At least some sort of familiarity with their platforms and a little self-reliance. Not the guy straight out of Academy Sports with a new rifle having never shot it/one!

Time: 6 hours would be great. If you sent out a pre-syllabus of things to be familiar with and maybe some basic drills to work on prior so as to remove that time from the "teaching" part of the day, that could help make the 6 hours even more rich.

Cost: From my perspective (the guy whom I described above), a basic skills course should be priced accordingly. If I were taking the "how to defend a nuclear reactor" class form you, I'd expect to pay accordingly for that! Again, if forced to spit out a number...somewhere sub-$200 seems fair. The hidden catch always seems to be ammo cost and sometimes required gear. I'm going to trust a guy of your pedigree when you say "you really need to put this much lead down range" and "don't bring this type of gear because it wastes everyone's time when it breaks--and it will break." The flip side to that is that fact that I'm asking you about a trimmed down "give me some basics to work on" course...which means money and high-dollar gear is a factor for me.

Not at all offended if you or someone doesn't agree with my sentiments here. Just figured I'd bring a data point for a market that does exist. Like I said--I'm sure there are dozens of guys on this forums, and I personally know several guys in my small circle of friends in a similar boat.

Oh yeah...welcome back!

I agree with this and see the real value for this type of training, because honestly its the whole point of it all.

I really want to teach a 6 hour PDW class, thats whats posted on my site and here on CFF. I also want to de-bug the Unorthodox Shooting Position stuff. I see some real BAD info being put out. Also to your point I think a Carbine Owners course done at my level of expertise and experience I can cover some real info in 3 hours with 6 students. Think of a high intense, direct instruction with direct results in a compact time frame....
 
@JBoyette , pricing is something I struggled with. I have taught the medical classes I thought fairly inexpensively until people started telling me I was under-charging (given my experience, yadda yadda yadda). I want to deliver a good class at a value and I do not want to put off people who need the info.

I am hoping when I am done with my masters degree in May I can get back into teaching.
 
In a nutshell, 42 year old guy who loves to train, talk shop and is all about self improvement. "I need it" lol

Some of you i have not met, so here is a copy/paste from my website

Currently John is an Armed Nuclear Security Officer in the State of North Carolina. Prior to founding Boyette Solutions in 2017, he spent 8 years in a similar role with Trace Armory Group. With Trace Armory Group, John personally taught more than 250 classes to 1400 students with no injuries. Topics covered were instructor-to-instructor level or instructor to student level topics including: carbine, force on force, home defense, pistol, precision rifle and shotgun.

From February 2014 to November 2015, John was the Director of Compliance for War Sport Industries and was a major influencer of the War Sport LVOA and GPR line of rifles. Before going to War Sport Industries, John started his career as a Armed Nuclear Security Officer specialized in teaching Critical Infrastructure physical defense and take-back procedures. He also provided Vulnerability Assessments on critical infrastructures for utilities and public / private schools.

Starting in 1995 to 2005, John spent 10 years with the United States Army, 8 years as an Airborne Infantryman assigned to 1/325 AIR 2nd Brigade, 82nd Airborne Div. Performing multiple peacekeeping and combat deployments to Europe and the Middle East: Multi-National Force and Observers, KFOR, Operation Iraqi Freedom. John Spent his last 2 years teaching small unit tactics and combat marksmanship at the Infantry School, Ft Benning Ga.

Certifications

NRA Instructor Number 144293875

  • NRA Advanced Pistol

  • NRA Rifle

  • NRA In The Home Protection

  • NRA Outside the Home

  • North Carolina Concealed Carry

  • US Army Instructor Squad Designated Marksman Course
Qualifications

  • North Carolina Law Enforcement Sniper School

  • Progress Energy Nuclear Adversary Course

  • Armed Nuclear Security Officer Qualification Course

  • US. Army Instructor School


Welcome back JB! :)
 
Welcome and hoping you and the family are doing well John. Great to see you still engaged in helping others develop those very skills that can protect and keep them alive.
 
I agree with this and see the real value for this type of training, because honestly its the whole point of it all.

I really want to teach a 6 hour PDW class, thats whats posted on my site and here on CFF. I also want to de-bug the Unorthodox Shooting Position stuff. I see some real BAD info being put out. Also to your point I think a Carbine Owners course done at my level of expertise and experience I can cover some real info in 3 hours with 6 students. Think of a high intense, direct instruction with direct results in a compact time frame....
Those PDW classes looked like they were for SBR’s only...no? Maybe I read the website too fast...
 
Nope it clearly states PDW | PCC | Braced Pistol in the title! lol
Yeah I think I was rushing reading things between meetings...stopped when I saw brace techniques. Said “welp, that’s not for me!”

Do you teach reading comprehension?
 
WTF are you talking about? What is a braced technique?
Dude, I don’t know. I read it quickly and it looked like it was 100% geared toward SBR’s and a specific segment about using a brace of some sort.
 
@JBoyette I have no way to send a PM to you, seems that your profile is locked down, maybe that prevents it.
 
Im looking forward to your class. I want to take the March class but I hate cold weather lol going to wimp out till April
 
I skipped this whole thread. Just want to say. I am glad your back!

Go figure, people get testy about opinions on the internet.

Yet someone like you who shares actual experience in the field to us wannabe's and "wanna learner's" and still tolerates the inexperienced yet "I know" types is a rare breed.

Yes, I disagree with you sometimes. But your knowledge is priceless. I'm overly happy that you are back! Your experience and facts are irreplaceable!
 
@JBoyette ,

I'm looking forward to being a multiple repeat offender on some classes too.

So far, I've got 3 under my belt.
 
@JBoyette ,

I'm looking forward to being a multiple repeat offender on some classes too.

So far, I've got 3 under my belt.

And thank you for that.

The crazy thing is, i am better now as a teacher then I have been in the past. At work I teach alot of sideline stuff to NS Officers like tactics and things. I see a faster light bulb then I use to get with them.

I still have alot to offer guys like you who have been to my classes in the past.
 
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