I hate Consolidated B-24s so gotdang much.

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Walking home today, some guy bumped into me and instantly started talking crap about the Consolidated B-24 being the best WW2 bomber. I tried to remain calm and explain to him that the Boeing B-17 was actually the best bomber of WW2, but he wouldn't take a hint. He started throwing around words like "speed" and I lost it. Punched him right in his Consolidated-loving face.

I hate the B-24 so dang much.

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Survivability > Speed

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Fairey Swordfish better. It destroyed two different countries fleets(France and Italy) and the Bismark, while just a biplane. And took out more Axis shipping by tonnage than any other allied aircraft.

As long as we're not talking dropping nukes, this is the little engine that could of bombers.

 
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Fairey Swordfish better. It destroyed two different countries fleets(France and Italy) and the Bismark, while just a biplane. And took out more Axis shipping by tonnage than any other allied aircraft.

As long as we're not talking dropping nukes, this is the little engine that could of bombers.

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But how’d it do on heavy industry?
 
B24 for me. 17s got the movie glory being based out of the UK.

Interesting read https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/boeing-b-17-flying-fortress-vs-the-consolidated-b-24-liberator/

Grandfather (bottom left) B-24 flight engineer and gunner. I was too young to ask too much (passed in 2001 while I was in school) and he didn't talk much about it, but he did say the mission to Ploiesti was the worst.
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Back in 2017 I was fortunate enough to fly in a B-24 when it came to RDU. She's now put up and will no longer fly after Collins B-17 crash. https://carolinafirearmsforum.com/i...5-p-51-at-rdu-this-weekend.16706/#post-290207
 
My Grandfather flew 36 missions in a B17. Flew his 25 and signed up for another hitch.shot down in the North Sea in 44’. He told me he’d take his chances in the electric chair before climbing in a B24, he called them a flying zippo. Miss that man every single day I’m alive.
 
Several years ago, I did the funeral of a man at our church who was a B24 tail gunner from 1942 to the end of the war, a feat that is almost statistically impossible. He nearly died on the docks when they deployed in 1942. He said they gave the crew these “nice, new Colt .45s” and he and a buddy started playing fast draw with them while waiting to board. His buddy’s pistol evidently was loaded, as it went off on one draw and splinters kicked up between Emmett’s feet. They quit playing fast draw, lol. Emmett said the Japanese couldn’t kill him, but stupidity nearly did.

I miss Emmett. Wish I had taken a tape recorder when I would visit him. He was a humble man, but was willing to talk about his life and he had some amazing stories. He was a shut in the last years of his life and just loved visits.
 
Slimer said:
tried to remain calm and explain to him that the Boeing B-17 was actually the best bomber of WW2,
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lol.

Superior Mitchell bomber:
Bombs Japan just to remind Tojo actions have consequences. Oh, did I mention it launched FROM A CARRIER?
Dabs on ships, armor, hard targets, industry and paper houses alike.
One example flies 300 combat missions, belly lands half a dozen times, and is so bent up it's almost flying sideways BUT STILL CONTINUES dropping payloads all over the enemies of freedom until the end of the war.

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I cannot imagine a situation where you could get me to do that job. Holy cow.
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Being the ball turret gunner was actually a fairly "safe" position in the B-17. Good luck if you need to bail out or emergency land though.

Exspiravit said:
lol.

Bombs Japan just to remind Tojo actions have consequences. Oh, did I mention it launched FROM A CARRIER?
Dabs on ships, armor, hard targets, industry and paper houses alike.
One example flies 300 combat missions, belly lands half a dozen times, and is so bent up it's almost flying sideways BUT STILL CONTINUES dropping payloads all over the enemies of freedom until the end of the war.

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>Breaks formation and gets shot down.
>Pilot can't handle it in at high speed and brings it down
>Firebombs wooden structures instead of glorious European concrete mixed over 9,000 times with serious AA coverage
>Japan's willingness to let ace pilots enter divine Emperor's glow in sudoku run instead of keeping aces in training programs

Consolidated? More like Cope&Dated.
 
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>Breaks formation and gets shot down.
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Projection much?

That was the exact problem the B-17 had.

"Oh yeah, it's a Flying Fortress, it's right there in the name."
~Gets Fliegerabwehrkanoned in retarded telegraphed daylight raids.
~Strays a couple yards out of formation and gets Motorkanoned by BF-109.
~"Black Week" was catastrophic losses of B-17's and B-24's.
 
The B24 enabled the allies to win the battle of the Atlantic. The plane's range allowed them to close the air gap between the U.S. and the U.K. and provide coverage against U-boats all the way across. Radar equipped B-24s searched for surfaced subs and if they didn't catch them on the surface, forced them to dive and cutting their battery charging short. The German Metox radar detector alerted to every Radar emitting aircraft and caused them to constantly dive, even when no aircraft was nearby.
 
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