Internet purchase rant...

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Wanted a few things for the Tikka and was searching around. Prices are pretty consistent across sites. I saw the "Two Rounder" on Short Action Precision and thought it was neat. So, I ordered it from them along with a small squeeze bag and a few arca components. Like $280 total. No biggie. They sent me two different confirmation emails. Then I got the credit card charge notification. Cool.

Then I get an email saying they want me to send them a copy of my driver's license for MY security... or I can cancel the order...

Bezos sends me tons of stuff to addresses all over the country wherever I am. I sold two 300blks in the last few days with only a forum post to make the deal. Yet I can't get a few random parts without ID? Is there a run on PRS parts in the hood or eastern Europe? I didn't realize it was a popular scam... Identity theft for an Arca Barricade stop. Every scumbag's dream :rolleyes:

I was probably a little too snarky in my reply email but the implication and request just rubbed me wrong...

I said I'm as exposed as I care to be giving them my card info and address, and I will not be giving them my DL as well. If that's not good enough cancel my order and refund my money so I can order elsewhere...

Maybe I'm just too sensitive...
 
This doesnā€™t make sense to me. The payment system verifies whether the address you entered matches the one on your credit card account. Since they canā€™t see you to see that you resemble the photo on your DL, how can providing it make the transaction more secure? All that would prove is that the stolen wallet contained the CC and the DL. :confused:

I donā€™t ever remember such a request and Iā€™d refuse too.
 
Being somewhat familiar with online cc processing, that doesnā€™t really make sense. The cc processor handles the verification. If it fails, itā€™s usually because you need to contact your bank.
Now, if you asked them to ship somewhere other than your billing address, I could understand that. Some places simply refuse to ship to other addresses, but I donā€™t blame you for refusing to send your ID.
 
Jerzsubbie said:
Being somewhat familiar with online cc processing, that doesnā€™t really make sense. The cc processor handles the verification. If it fails, itā€™s usually because you need to contact your bank.
Now, if you asked them to ship somewhere other than your billing address, I could understand that. Some places simply refuse to ship to other addresses, but I donā€™t blame you for refusing to send your ID.
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But who takes the loss if it's a fraud order? If they ship before it's resolved, does the credit card cancel the sale and then the vendor is out their cost on the product?
I've had a couple verification calls come through, but I don't think any were asking for ID - not for a LOOOONG time and that was usually for firearms
 
DrScaryGuy said:
But who takes the loss if it's a fraud order? If they ship before it's resolved, does the credit card cancel the sale and then the vendor is out their cost on the product?
I've had a couple verification calls come through, but I don't think any were asking for ID - not for a LOOOONG time and that was usually for firearms
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Like most things, it depends. Depends on the circumstances, the vendor agreement with the cc processor, and sometimes the issuing bank. But as long as the seller does their part per the cc processor agreement they should be covered.
In my experience, when we have a fraudulent order, as long as we didnā€™t manually override anything to process it, the bank is left holding the bag. Weā€™ve certainly called customers to verify info or their order as a whole when theyā€™ve been flagged but I donā€™t think weā€™ve ever asked for ID. The processor would care more about the ID but they would never ask is to get that from the customer, thatā€™s kind of weird.
 
Iā€™d tell them I was waiting for a new drivers license, my old one was destroyed, then ask them if my social security number would suffice. If they said yes then you know it was fraud.
 
Scan your drivers license and photoshop all the info except what you want them to see, change the pic to that of a transgender millennial if you want. They have no way to validate anything on your DL.

Probably easier to just say that you donā€™t drive.
 
Jeppo said:
This doesnā€™t make sense to me. The payment system verifies whether the address you entered matches the one on your credit card account. Since they canā€™t see you to see that you resemble the photo on your DL, how can providing it make the transaction more secure? All that would prove is that the stolen wallet contained the CC and the DL. :confused:

I donā€™t ever remember such a request and Iā€™d refuse too.
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Exactly...
 
Btw, they cancelled my order a little while after I started this thread. Won't be getting any business from me...

I may start forwarding all my PRS part invoices to the email I received just out of spite so they know how much they really missed out on... I only tried to order a few things because I am waiting to be sure of the larger purchases before I make them...
 
There's an ammo company that does this. For the life of me I can't remember who.
Online purchase, they come back with wanting a pic of my DL to be super duper sure I was over 18.
:confused:
Never been asked that before. I tell them oh hell no. Cancel.
I can't remember who it was. This was back when we all lived in Canada before it was Canada. They were a major ammo player, but I never went back.
I have never before or since been asked for a copy of my DL.
 
Friday said:
There's an ammo company that does this. For the life of me I can't remember who.
Online purchase, they come back with wanting a pic of my DL to be super duper sure I was over 18.
:confused:
Never been asked that before. I tell them oh hell no. Cancel.
I can't remember who it was. This was back when we all lived in Canada before it was Canada. They were a major ammo player, but I never went back.
I have never before or since been asked for a copy of my DL.
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That might have been a policy stemming from them selling in states with more bogus restrictions - it kinda sounds familiar.

Not saying it justifies it for NC sales, just that there might have been a less-than-scamalicious starting point for the stupid rule.
 
I bought two 50 rd boxes of 6.5 creedmoor at sportsman warehouse on Monday. Checkout girl asked me my birthdate. ( Iā€™m 62)
Told her ā€œ 7/4/76ā€. Went right over her head.
 
Windini said:
That might have been a policy stemming from them selling in states with more bogus restrictions - it kinda sounds familiar.

Not saying it justifies it for NC sales, just that there might have been a less-than-scamalicious starting point for the stupid rule.
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I'm positive they weren't scamming me. They honestly wanted to verify my age. That's all they ever asked for, proof of my age. She explained that was sop for them on ammo sales.
Still didn't get it though lol.
 
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