Is a 9 moa reticle too big for a first reflex type sight.

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Trijicon 700210 is a dual illuminated rmr with a 9moa green dot on sale for $434.

I am leary of getting a slide cut to a type/brand that will cause me to need a replacement slide if I were to a lesser product.

This is my first rmr and have been told bigger is better for old eyes.
 
Saw a new cool slide cut from unity tactical this year. Might check it out, I think almost any shop can get the design from unity tactical. Then you just buy the plate for which ever optic you have. It gives you the choice to switch optics later. It looks very simple and if I get another slide cut i May go that route myself even though I’ve been using a 1moa rmr exclusively.


good luck op
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Pbj ak said:
Saw a new cool slide cut from unity tactical this year. Might check it out, I think almost any shop can get the design from unity tactical. Then you just buy the plate for which ever optic you have. It gives you the choice to switch optics later. It looks very simple and if I get another slide cut i May go that route myself even though I’ve been using a 1moa rmr exclusively.

That looks awesome! Will check it out!

good luck op
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9moa is
10yds = .94"
25yds = 2.36"
50yds = 4.71"
75yds = 7.07"
100yds = 9.42"

For self-defense 0-7yds no sights needed of any kind, but a RDS of 9MOA is not the best, but its damn easy to see. Keep in mind most people are 18" wide at all ranges. Unless you have an active engagement at Wal-Mart, odds are 25-165+" wide below the neck.
 
Depends on what you want out if it. I personally prefer a smaller dot, but wouldn’t have an issue carrying that 9moa for CCW. I would recommend getting an adjustable LED model over that dual illuminate, as it will give you better control over the brightness of the reticle. Dual illum tends to wash out, especially under white light.

Look at the RM06 and RM07. Both adjustable LED’s in the 3.25 and 6.5moa flavor. Personally the 3.25 is my favorite dot size.
 
Derek8404 said:
Depends on what you want out if it. I personally prefer a smaller dot, but wouldn’t have an issue carrying that 9moa for CCW. I would recommend getting an adjustable LED model over that dual illuminate, as it will give you better control over the brightness of the reticle. Dual illum tends to wash out, especially under white light.

Look at the RM06 and RM07. Both adjustable LED’s in the 3.25 and 6.5moa flavor. Personally the 3.25 is my favorite dot size.
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To reinforce this post, I got to play with the Trijicon SRO at Shot Show and to put it into perspective for some, the difference in window size is like going from an AimPoint Micro to a EO-Tech. It's fracking HUGE for a window. I know the SRO largest dot is 5 MOA.

Lets keep it real based on your USE, I see a 5 MOA or 9 MOA as a great option for SD. for plinking, match use or general use, 5 MOA or smaller is ideal. As you get better with RDS use, the smaller the dot the better. But starting out on RDS + pistol, larger a dot, or even a triangle might be the best option.
 
Another plug for Holosun here (I swear I dont work for them) but I have the 507c and it has a 2 moa dot and a 34 or 32 or something moa circle similar to the eotech donut of death. It can be turned off to be just a dot or both or just the circle, i thought id want just the dot but man that circle is so freakin easy to find when you present the gun. Just sayin, check em out. And now they can be found on sale for 215 bucks. These are good times.
 
Actually, I think most competition guys use a bigger dot. From 5-16 moa. Steel challenge they tend to be bigger. I used an 8 for Rimfire and steel challenge.
Makes a difference if the dot is brighter too.
Some prefer a smaller dot but it has to be pretty bright.

I’m using a 5 moa Trijicon SRO now. Pretty dang satisfied with that. As John says window is giant compared to rmr. The 5 is nice for me as it’s actually the only dot I have used that is pretty crisp and not peanutted from my astigmatism. It’s the first dot I have had on a centerfire gun, and I am happy I went this way but can’t attest to the durability.

Would use something else for a carry gun.
I’d likely go with the Holosun for that.
I’m not a huge fan of RMRs. Tight window and frankly I have difficultly picking it up. A training issue for sure. But I’d prefer a bigger window. The holosun ticks a lot of boxes and they have been making big efforts in carry optics.
 
I purchased a Vortex Venom with a 6 moa reticle and here's why...

My eyes had cataracts removed on both sides and had detached retinas in both eyes and to say the least, my vision is not what it used to be.

I plan to use this thing for casual shooting and EDC. Most everyone says the larger dot is preferred for self defense so I thought I'd split the difference.

Garret Industries makes some nice optic holsters.

From what I have read the warranty from Vortex is outfrickinstanding!

I have had a hard time finding anyone willing to cut the slide on my 229 until Brocks Custom Guns [email protected] became a member here. I admittedly wanted to be careful of screwing up my slide because Sig Sauer seems to only want to support the 365s any more.

Anyway, that's my story and I am stickin to it!
 
JBoyette said:
9moa is
10yds = .94"
25yds = 2.36"
50yds = 4.71"
75yds = 7.07"
100yds = 9.42"

For self-defense 0-7yds no sights needed of any kind, but a RDS of 9MOA is not the best, but its damn easy to see. Keep in mind most people are 18" wide at all ranges. Unless you have an active engagement at Wal-Mart, odds are 25-165+" wide below the neck.
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Thanks!

Where can I find that info for a 6 moa reticle sir?
 
Ben Jefferson said:
Thanks!

Where can I find that info for a 6 moa reticle sir?
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1 MOA = 1.047” at 100 yards.

It’s easy to just think about it as 1” @ 100 yards

So, your dot with cover a 6” plate at 100 yards.
3” @ 50, 1.5 @ 25, and so forth.
 
Ben Jefferson said:
Thanks, I am new to this electronic stuff.
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Its got nothing to with how an optic is powered. MOA has been part of rifle scopes since the first optics were micro-adjustable.

MOA is an angler unit of measure, For the fun of it lets go with a reported value of (6) MOA. Keep in mind that (6) MOA is its own value. So 6MOA is 6 MOA at all distances. Since the linear unit of measure changes (yards, feet, inches) the linear numbers adjust to the proper scale.

As an example MOA never changes, it stays at (6).
The reticle is designed to be a dot, and that dot measures 6 MOA.

As NKD pointed out, 1 MOA = 1.047" @ 100yds. So:
6 MOA at 100yds is 6x1.047= 6.282"
When the linear value in yards changes, the inches scale up/down depending on the yards. In this example, the inches scale down.

50yds is 1/2 of 100yds, 6MOA did not change. So 6.282"/2= 3.141"
50yds 6 MOA = 3.141"

25yds is 1/2 of 50yds. So 3.141/2= 1.5705
25yds 6 MOA = 1.5705"

For 10yds, just move the Decimal one slot to the left. 6.282 10yds = .6282"
10yds 6 MOA = .6282"
 
JBoyette said:
Its got nothing to with how an optic is powered. MOA has been part of rifle scopes since the first optics were micro-adjustable.

MOA is an angler unit of measure, For the fun of it lets go with a reported value of (6) MOA. Keep in mind that (6) MOA is its own value. So 6MOA is 6 MOA at all distances. Since the linear unit of measure changes (yards, feet, inches) the linear numbers adjust to the proper scale.

As an example MOA never changes, it stays at (6).
The reticle is designed to be a dot, and that dot measures 6 MOA.

As NKD pointed out, 1 MOA = 1.047" @ 100yds. So:
6 MOA at 100yds is 6x1.047= 6.282"
When the linear value in yards changes, the inches scale up/down depending on the yards. In this example, the inches scale down.

50yds is 1/2 of 100yds, 6MOA did not change. So 6.282"/2= 3.141"
50yds 6 MOA = 3.141"

25yds is 1/2 of 50yds. So 3.141/2= 1.5705
25yds 6 MOA = 1.5705"

For 10yds, just move the Decimal one slot to the left. 6.282 10yds = .6282"
10yds 6 MOA = .6282"
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I have been familiar with MOA since I joined the Corps. I have always only thought of it as a direction and amount to move the front and rear sights for zero on a rifle.

When shooting the old sloppy 1911s we just learned to adjust POA with where the damn thing shot!

Occasionally we could place an off colored pasty on the target before qualification started to compensate for the old rattletrap pistols!
 
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