Is Carry Reciprocity as dead as a doornail?

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Maybe I slept through it, but have not heard even a whimper for some time.

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Maybe I slept through it, but have not heard even a whimper for some time.

PS: How did spellcheck allow that one through??? I can't figure out how to modify the subject line. Sorry!

You need to click "Thread Tools" to modify the title, if I remember correctly.

And reciprocity is dead, though it's ghost will be paraded in front of us in a few months in the attempt to maintain the"Second Amendment friendly" Republican majority.

Just give the politics time to catch up to our priorities.
 
For the 3rd year our legislative geniuses have sent Constitutional Carry right through the S.C. Senate, only to lay around and then die when they go on break. As to full reciprocity, be very careful what you ask for.....In S.C. when we opened up the CWP to everybody...it was gutted from it's original. Under the original system I could carry ANYWHERE. More authority than local law enforcement. Not any more. Be careful what you ask for.
 
Ah those Liberty loving Repugs. They treat gun owners as good enough to screw when they need an escort, but toss them like a dirty dishrag any other time. Still, I'm sure when it come to the election, many will be acting like an abused spouse / girlfriend.
 
Still, I'm sure when it come to the election, many will be acting like an abused spouse / girlfriend.

"But Daddy, the election is just going to be too close! We don't have the luxury of principles.....we have to maintain the majority because the GOP is pro-gun! We'll vote for the RINOs now....we can have principles next cycle!"
 
A good general rule in NC to get a feel for how a bill will do in the General Assembly is to find out how the NC Sheriff's Association feels about it.

Those crybabies almost always get their way no matter which party controls the GA or Governor's office.
 
"But Daddy, the election is just going to be too close! We don't have the luxury of principles.....we have to maintain the majority because the GOP is pro-gun! We'll vote for the RINOs now....we can have principles next cycle!"
I've been in the pro gun rights realm for six years now. Principles are ALWAYS the NEXT election.
 
Thanks for both inputs, SPM.
For the 3rd year our legislative geniuses have sent Constitutional Carry right through the S.C. Senate, only to lay around and then die when they go on break. As to full reciprocity, be very careful what you ask for.....In S.C. when we opened up the CWP to everybody...it was gutted from it's original. Under the original system I could carry ANYWHERE. More authority than local law enforcement. Not any more. Be careful what you ask for.

Concur. I was one of the vocal minority when the House first raised the bill and continued to oppose it throughout. My opposition is based on keeping the Federal government out of everything. The Feds not giveth but the Feds taketh away - always.
My original post here was to see if I had entered an alternate universe as all of a sudden there was zero chatter.
 
Concur. I was one of the vocal minority when the House first raised the bill and continued to oppose it throughout. My opposition is based on keeping the Federal government out of everything. The Feds not giveth but the Feds taketh away - always.
While I agree with you 100% in principle, I also think that by virtue of the 2nd, which clearly states in no uncertain terms that the right og the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, means the fed has an active responsibility to prevent gun restrictions. Allowing them to play word games, like calling it a restriction not so infringement is on us and our predecessors and should have been dealt with by whatever means was required. Similarly, not stopping infringing states is dereliction of their responsibility.
 
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While I agree with you 100% in principle, I also think that by virtue of the 2nd, which clearly states in no uncertain terms that the right og the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, means the fed has an active responsibility to prevent gun restrictions. Allowing them to play word games, like calling it a restriction not so infringement is on us and our predecessors and should have been dealt with by whatever means was required.
Principles are one thing; reality, unfortunately, another
 
No argument here
From you, I'm not surprised. Too many people still believe in the most dangerous superstition, that of (governmental) authority. It's not surprising as they've been programmed with this belief from their formative years and it can be very difficult to get past the cognitive dissonance. Once you do, however, you realize it isn't any more real than the Easter Bunny. It also makes the infringements much harder to swallow.
 
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Honestly?

I hope so.

What we need is final vindication that the Second Amendment applies equally among all the states as it does to the federal government...and then more court victories over the "...shall not be infringed" part. Like the rest of the Bill of Rights.

We doen't need the federal government stepping in and "graciously allowing" reciprocity. That plants the idea in their heads that they have the authority to grant (and thus deny) the "privilege" of doing so, when in fact they do not.
 
Honestly?

I hope so.

What we need is final vindication that the Second Amendment applies equally among all the states as it does to the federal government...and then more court victories over the "...shall not be infringed" part. Like the rest of the Bill of Rights.

We doen't need the federal government stepping in and "graciously allowing" reciprocity. That plants the idea in their heads that they have the authority to grant (and thus deny) the "privilege" of doing so, when in fact they do not.
Spot on, Chief
 
Honestly?

I hope so.

What we need is final vindication that the Second Amendment applies equally among all the states as it does to the federal government...and then more court victories over the "...shall not be infringed" part. Like the rest of the Bill of Rights.

We doen't need the federal government stepping in and "graciously allowing" reciprocity. That plants the idea in their heads that they have the authority to grant (and thus deny) the "privilege" of doing so, when in fact they do not.
U DA MAN!!!!!! Exactly!!! I have a low 4 digit CWP with them being given now in the 300K+ range. You may not believe this, but it pisses me off everytime I have looked at it since 1976. Why did I have to cow-tow to a political system and donate money and liquor to get to be able to do what I was given at birth by our constitution. The Feds sure won't roll over and give up control over anything they can make money off of. There will be pages of conditions if these rats get hold of this.
When these kind of things come up here during our gatherings we have one old boy who is 6 feet 5 inches tall and hard as any man you've ever known, who always shuts everybody up be saying.... what would have to happen for YOU to do something? It usually gets real quiet after that. We fought one war for States Rights, didn't work out too good for us.
 
Why did I have to cow-tow to a political system and donate money and liquor to get to be able to do what I was given at birth by our constitution.

Minor correction here...you were recognized as already HAVING this right (among others) and the government was PROHIBITED from infringing upon that right.

Remember...the Bill of Rights didn't GRANT anybody any rights. It simply acknowledged (some) as pre-existing and laid prohibitions against the government about them.

;)
 
what would have to happen for YOU to do something? It usually gets real quiet after that. We fought one war for States Rights, didn't work out too good for us.
In response I would ask this question, how many does it take for it to be more than a nut case just going off?
 
For the 3rd year our legislative geniuses have sent Constitutional Carry right through the S.C. Senate, only to lay around and then die when they go on break. As to full reciprocity, be very careful what you ask for.....In S.C. when we opened up the CWP to everybody...it was gutted from it's original. Under the original system I could carry ANYWHERE. More authority than local law enforcement. Not any more. Be careful what you ask for.

Yep and more guns for the criminals since we have to leave them in cars as much as we carry them.
 
Tonight's 60 minutes will be on the reciprocity bill, though I don't watch 60 minutes much any more, I will watch this to see if they give it a fair evaluation, or put their own spin on it
 
Thanks. S4f. It sure isn't on my watch list normally but I placed it on the DVR record list for tonight. I'll take a couple of extra blood pressure pills before watching!
 
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I predict it will be exactly as you suspect. Spoon fed drivel to the uninformed. They lost their creditability when Morley Safer gave his lighter to the boys in the village to burn the huts of "the innocent village folks", in the 1900s. About '69 if my old head is working. They don't report the news they manufacture the news.
 
Is Carry Reciprocity as dead as a doornail?

No.

In every state, every day, there are citizens who carry whenever and wherever they wish...

Not because they've begged for it or because they hold a special permission slip, but because it is their right to do so, they believe in liberty all the way down to their bones and they made a choice.

And there is always a choice.
 
Is Carry Reciprocity as dead as a doornail?

No.

In every state, every day, there are citizens who carry whenever and wherever they wish...

Not because they've begged for it or because they hold a special permission slip, but because it is their right to do so, they believe in liberty all the way down to their bones and they made a choice.

And there is always a choice.
The main reason I keep my concealed carry permit....just to expedite purchasing a handgun when in a store and it saves me having to keep go buying permits.
 
Not because they've begged for it or because they hold a special permission slip, but because it is their right to do so, they believe in liberty all the way down to their bones and they made a choice.

And there is always a choice.
In a few weeks I ha e to go on a work trip to The People’s Republic of Baltimore.

This choice of which you speak weighs heavy on me. If I were to carry, as is my god given right, the likelihood of getting caught by the crown’s thugs is pretty low, but I know that if it were to happen there would be no arrest, courts, or jails. The only question is how many funerals would be held and I guarantee you it would be more then one.

One has to decide what the risks are and which risks are greater than the others.

Also the idea that those jackasses in MD even think that they have such a right and ability to prohibit guns is so supremely and fundamently offensive that I think it would be justified, if not righteous, for Free People to go to war against that state and destroy it.
 
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In a few weeks I ha e to go on a work trip to The People’s Republic of Baltimore.

This choice of which you speak weighs heavy on me. If I were to carry, as is my god given right, the likelihood of getting caught by the crown’s thugs is pretty low, but I know that if it were to happen there would be no arrest, courts, or jails. The only question is how many funerals would be held and I guarantee you it would be more then one.

One has to decide what the risks are and which risks are greater than the others.

Also the idea that those jackasses in MD even think that they have such a right and ability to prohibit guns is so supremely and fundamently offensive that I think it would be justified, if not righteous, for Free People to go to war against that state and destroy it.

So are you going to carry in MD, Rambo?
 
Tonight's 60 minutes will be on the reciprocity bill, though I don't watch 60 minutes much any more, I will watch this to see if they give it a fair evaluation, or put their own spin on it
I think the tone of the piece was set by this: "This is the handgun counter at Van's Sporting Goods outside Jackson, Mississippi, a state with the fourth highest gun fatality rate in the country and some of the weakest gun laws."

And I thought, "Chicago?".

" (CNN)Chicago marked 2016 as the deadliest year in nearly two decades, data released by the Chicago Police Department shows.

The city saw a surge in gun violence in 2016: 762 murders, 3,550 shooting incidents, and 4,331 shooting victims, according to a statement released by the department on Sunday."


That 762 murders works out to 27.1 per 100,000 population, vs Mississippi's 19.9 for all firearm deaths (not just murders). So if they really wanted to make a statement about the effectiveness of gun laws (yeah, right) they should have looked a little bit farther north than Jackson.
 
So are you going to carry in MD, Rambo?

If I do, I'm sure as hell not going to talk about it.

That 762 murders works out to 27.1 per 100,000 population, vs Mississippi's 19.9 for all firearm deaths (not just murders). So if they really wanted to make a statement about the effectiveness of gun laws (yeah, right) they should have looked a little bit farther north than Jackson.
That wouldn't fit with pushing their "Y'all-kaida" narrative about southern redneck gun nuts.
 
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In a few weeks I ha e to go on a work trip to The People’s Republic of Baltimore.

This choice of which you speak weighs heavy on me. If I were to carry, as is my god given right, the likelihood of getting caught by the crown’s thugs is pretty low, but I know that if it were to happen there would be no arrest, courts, or jails. The only question is how many funerals would be held and I guarantee you it would be more then one.

One has to decide what the risks are and which risks are greater than the others.

Also the idea that those jackasses in MD even think that they have such a right and ability to prohibit guns is so supremely and fundamently offensive that I think it would be justified, if not righteous, for Free People to go to war against that state and destroy it.

You seem to be fine with talking about taking out police officers on the world wide webs?
 
I didn't watch the 60 Minutes piece. But I did see the intro (tease), and it was framed as a progressive hit piece on gun rights, although they tried to present both sides in a very feeble way.
 
You seem to be fine with talking about taking out police officers on the world wide webs?
I would not submit to them, no, but your also missing the point: I don't recognize their claim of authority and if they're going to try to ruin my life because they think they have that right I will defend myself with my very life if need be. But I will not submit.
 
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I would not submit to them, no, but your also missing the point: I don't recognize their claim of authority and if they're going to try to ruin my life because they think they have that right I will defend myself with my very life if need be. But I will not submit.

I'm not missing the point. You hate cops and have no qualms about shooting them. At least that's how you come off on this forum.
 
I'm not missing the point. You hate cops and have no qualms about shooting them. At least that's how you come off on this forum.
You obviously haven't been paying attention.

As far as shooting anyone, it is something that I hope never to have to do, but I would defend myself against thugs.
 
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You obviously haven't been paying attention.

As far as shooting anyone, it is something that I hope never to have to do, but I would defend myself against thugs.
Would you define an officer who sees your prohibited weapon and acts to detain you a thug?
 
Would you define an officer who sees your prohibited weapon and acts to detain you a thug?
Yes. I would. The state has no business prohibiting a weapon in the first place. Furthermore, I would refuse to be imprisoned over the issue. If you want to go around threatening people with violence if they don't submit to your rule, don't be surprised if sometimes the response is a refusal to submit.

Before you join @SPST in going off the rails here, please keep in mind that we are discussing a hypothetical situation that was raised by @wsfiredude where he said that some people will choose to carry regardless of permission from the crown and in doing so are making the choice to assert their liberty. I said that this idea has weighed upon me as I am faced with a set of bad options regarding work travel to one of the people's republic states. I did not say whether or not I would take a gun with me, and I doubt I will. It simply isn't worth the risk of it costing everything.
 
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Well, if you would, as stated then I’m with the ‘off the rails’ contingent. Agreed, it’s a hypothetical situation
 
So are you going to carry in MD, Rambo?

Pretty much all I hear in most of your contributions to CFF...

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Would you define an officer who sees your prohibited weapon and acts to detain you a thug?

What caveat in the Second Amendment prohibitions upon the power of the government or its agents allows for "prohibited weapons?"
 
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